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Well, for those who embrace the "good" taliban, today we've the news of a disproportionate attack utterly heedless of the high liklihood of collateral deaths-

Rockets Kill 10, Wound At Least 28-VOA Nov. 16, 2009

French General Marcel Druart was meeting with tribal chieftains nearby at a shura in Tageb, Kapisa. U.S. and French personnel evacuated the wounded. No French personnel were wounded nor killed.

If anybody has seen the manner in which these free-flight rockets are aimed and fired and the gross inaccuracy associated it with them they'd immediately recognize the brutal callousness of using such weapons with an adjacent marketplace active with local shoppers.

Pathetic. They could have cared less:angry:
 
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Why should this rocket be any different from those suicide bombings in afghanistan?
 
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And S2 Sir you never seen the free-flight missiles despite advanced accuracy how these had killed hunderds of civillians or those bombs which US had dropped on wedding parties and functions in Afghanistan killing hunderds of innocent Civilians.

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Why should this rocket be any different from those suicide bombings in afghanistan?

why this should be different than US bombardment of Civlians in Afghanistan????
 
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Jana,

You miss the point-as usual. No doubt you are unaware that your beloved afghan taliban have killed most of those afghans who've died in this war despite all that western airpower-

Please read-

Mid-Year Bulletin On The Protection Of Civilians In Armed Conflict-UNAMA July 2009

I doubt you will so let me assist you-

"A continuing trend seen through 2008 and into the first six months of 2009 is that AGE [anti-government elements] tactics have shifted, from frontal or ambush attacks on PGF [pro-government forces], to insurgent or guerrilla type activities, including asymmetric attacks such as IEDs, VBIEDs, BBIEDs, (that remain responsible for the largest number of civilian deaths), and targeted assassinations.

10. Between January and June 2009, 595 civilian deaths were attributed to AGE activities; 400 of those deaths were the result of indiscriminate IED and suicide attacks. This represents 67% of all deaths attributable to AGEs, or 39.5% of the total 1013 civilians killed in the first half of 2009. AGE operations are frequently undertaken regardless of the impact on civilians in terms of deaths and injuries or destruction of civilian infrastructure. Based on investigation of specific incidents conducted by UNAMA Human Rights, information suggests that AGEs are basing themselves in civilian areas so as to deliberately blur the distinction between combatants and civilians, and as part of what appears to be an active policy aimed at drawing a military response to areas where there is a high likelihood that civilians will be killed or injured. Also of great concern to UNAMA Human Rights, is the frequency by which AGEs conduct attacks in, or against, civilian locations. UNAMA Human Rights continues to document IED attacks carried out on roads used by civilian traffic, residential compounds, and market places. In some areas, UNAMA Human Rights has also noted targeted assassinations of civilians through the use of IEDs, particularly in the South-East."


Do you get the point?

Maybe not so let me help you some more-

The Human Cost: The Consequences Of Insurgent Attacks In Afghanistan-HRW April 2007

Finally, you are correct that we've made egregious and horrific mistakes. Our response has been heartfelt. We've been the ones to evacuate those whom we've injured and, further, we've gone later and begged forgiveness and made recompense-

A Vow To Cut Afghan Civilian Deaths-NYT May 19, 2009

Let's be clear with what I've given you. The first is an accounting of UNAMA's assessment of civilian afghan casualties. If you actually take the time to read, you'll see that it's their assessment that the afghan taliban are killing afghan civilians at nearly 2:1 despite all of ISAF's so-called firepower.

The second link is a report from Human Rights Watch on the nature of the taliban's conduct which not only indicates that they kill, but do so by intent. Jana, not once has anybody accused ISAF of intending to kill civilians. NOT ONCE. The taliban have also made use of afghan civilians as human shields when faced with imminent destruction at the hands of ISAF forces.

Finally, please remind me when MULLAH OMAR has visited the families of those he's killed and offered his sincerest apologies. That's Karl Eikenberry, our newly-appointed ambassador and recent commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan in that story by Carlotta Gall of the NYT last May.

You are so far off the mark with your twisted justifications that I'm truly embarassed for you.

So let me answer your question now-

"why this should be different than US bombardment of Civlians in Afghanistan????"

Jana, it should be different because every gathered statistic tells us it happens more than US bombardment and that it does so all-too-often by intent. Get it? MORE DIE BY TALIBAN HANDS AND TOO OFTEN AS INTENTIONAL TARGETS OF THE TALIBAN.

Don't know how more clear I can be. You really need to grow up and start to study instead of relying upon your smug and all-too-inaccurate assumptions because, truthfully, you repeatedly display that you don't know sh!t about this war.

Thanks.
 
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S2. no matter how many killed by whome, but the disappointing part is that everytime you come to support of your US by avoiding to criticise and accept the killings of civilians by US, NATO in Afghanistan.

Atleast be an unbiased person and accept that your govt has a big share in all these killings.
 
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Double standards as normal........the taliban gets attacked by the US while having "tea" with the locals and there using human shields but when its the US gets attacked by the taliban while having "tea" its unacceptable.:hang2:
 
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Jana,

I can't avoid the obvious. It is I that posted the story of Ambassador Eickenberry's trip of condolence to Farah-not you. I'm well aware of my nation's mistakes. It was I that made this comment to you-

"...we've made egregious and horrific mistakes..."

I know the pain we've caused. I haven't run from those facts.

That's not the point of the story, though, which is the centerpiece of this thread nor is it the point of the background information that I've provided for you.

THAT point is simple- the taliban have killed more civilians than ISAF/America. Further, too often they've done so by intent. Evidently all that is something that either you know nothing of or don't care about.

If not, you wouldn't have made the comments you did at the beginning of the thread. Instead, you immediately attempted to put me on the defensive by reversing the story.

Sorry. The story is the taliban fired rockets into a market place yesterday, killing 10 and wounding 28 more. They did so callously and it's far from the first time.

"Atleast be an unbiased person and accept that your govt has a big share in all these killings."

Seems that's your problem-not mine. I'm well aware of our mistakes. You seem utterly ignorant that your taliban have done the bulk of the slaughtering here. Get an education and actually READ the UNAMA report. You might learn something.

Now you waste my time. You've been led to water, horsie. Now you must drink.
 
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"Double standards as normal........the taliban gets attacked by the US while having "tea" with the locals and there using human shields but when its the US gets attacked by the taliban while having "tea" its unacceptable."

You're laughably stupid. They weren't even U.S. FRENCH, you human drone. Start by reading the article before letting your fingers convulse and spew your drool. Your argument might have been helped if the taliban had come remotely close to their so-called target. Not one French soldier much less the general were wounded or killed.

Only afghans in a marketplace. Lots of them...:angry:
 
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"Double standards as normal........the taliban gets attacked by the US while having "tea" with the locals and there using human shields but when its the US gets attacked by the taliban while having "tea" its unacceptable."

You're laughably stupid. They weren't even U.S. FRENCH, you human drone. Start by reading the article before letting your fingers convulse and spew your drool. Your argument might have been helped if the taliban had come remotely close to their so-called target. Not one French soldier much less the general were wounded or killed.

Only afghans in a marketplace. Lots of them...:angry:

Helllloooo this is their good Taliban which you are referring to. Don't you get the message? It is the presence in Afghanistan by the USA and its allies which makes these good terrorists oops militants fire rockets at marketplaces etc. It is okay for the Muslim Taliban to kill Muslim civilians but not okay for Christian kafirs to wage war on the peace loving Muslim governments of Saddam in Iraq and the Taliban in Afghanitan even if they bomb your country and annihilate thousands of their own :hitwall::hitwall:
 
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I cant believe these people supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan even after they are facing the same problems..The Afghanistan Taliban and the Taliban in your country are sharing the same ideologies..Some of these members who were supporting Taliban in Afghanistan were criticizing the Taliban in Pakistan for blowing up an girls school .Well its the same thing the Taliban were doing in Afghanistan also??beating and killing innocent women for not covering up their faces ??Your support for these morons will cost you dearly in future
 
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why this should be different than US bombardment of Civlians in Afghanistan????

There is a difference, if they start firing from among the civilians on the americans, they are making the civilians a military target. BTW, i am not defending anybody who kills the people, be it the americans or the taliban. it is only the afghans losing their lives and having their country destroyed, not their neighbours not americans, not the taliban.
 
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I cant believe these people supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan even after they are facing the same problems..The Afghanistan Taliban and the Taliban in your country are sharing the same ideologies..Some of these members who were supporting Taliban in Afghanistan were criticizing the Taliban in Pakistan for blowing up an girls school .Well its the same thing the Taliban were doing in Afghanistan also??beating and killing innocent women for not covering up their faces ??Your support for these morons will cost you dearly in future

good taliban and bad taliban!! as long as somebody have this idea in mind, they dont care about the suffering of people of afghanistan.
 
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You're laughably stupid. They weren't even U.S. FRENCH, you human drone. Start by reading the article before letting your fingers convulse and spew your drool.

Human waste like yourself wants to keep the argument specific to each incident rather then bring the whole picture of the occupation into the debate......your an occupation force and the taliban dont care if your french or yankee-gringo....its all the same to them and everybody else.

Time for you to brush your teeth......your mouths stinking after talking all that BS.
 
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Nato raid 'kills Afghan civilians'


A joint Afghan-Nato raid has outraged Afghan villagers, who claim innocent civilians were killed.

The operation took place in the village of Haiderabad in Ghazni province early on Friday morning.

The raid began when the doors to a compound were blown open. Witnesses say soldiers came in shooting while families lay asleep.

Locals say two of the men killed had no connections with the Taliban whatsoever, but were rather a baker and a grocer.

Troops also made two arrests.

David Chater reports.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/11/2009112016917138492.html
 
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Pakistanis haven't really referred to the Afghan Taliban as the good Taliban as religiously as some zealots from the western world do. Probably trying to dredge up parallels between the common Pakistani and the Taliban, or who knows may be they are just that thick... Anyway.

The notion that Pakistanis support any such acts is ridiculous, however, we differentiate between the two since its the WESTERN responsibility to control them and its our responsibility to control the TTP. If each did their part, we wouldn't have this problem.

Agreeably they have gotten safe sanctuary in Pakistan in the past, but dear ol Watson, who allows them to routinely come into Pakistan? Its a two way road. We both are responsible, you guys more than us. Don't wash off your hands by saying a few mean things about the Taliban, do something about it.
 
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