Afghan Taliban leader taught, preached in Pakistan, despite government vow to crack down

[Khan_21]

You need to read how reconciliation has worked in Africa and former Yugoslavia.

So he wont be held accountable for anything that he did ? From what i read all crimes against him will be dropped. Thats crazy because the man was a butcher and killed thousands. Your government should be looking out for him because he is a shady figure. I wouldnt be surprised if he starts dealing with ISI again.

Yes but make peace with the main players. Hekmatyar in 2016 has lost relevance. Deals with Talib should be the ultimate goal so that it brings peace .

 

[Sine Nomine]

As an Afghan he is welcome right now.

@pakistani342 ,A team I just looked into your posts after that,no matter how much optimistic your,but none of them is going to be disarmed,every member of Afghan Parliament is head of a militia in his own area.Hikmatyar are anyone else coming to kabul will always have huge number of armed men to back him.If even Afghan Talis became part of Govt,then what will happen,will they will be willing to lay arms when in Dashte laila 10000 were killed after surrender because they were pashtuns and Qila e jungi uprising,I don't think so even both Talis and Kabul reach an agreement,they will trust each other to level of elections without arms.

 

[punit]

deep assets !!

 

[A-Team]

bro withh all due respect
stop this stupidity of blaming PAK over everything and realize a simple fact
Afghans have to work for Afghanistan
its not Pakistan's responsibility
we have lost much for Afghanistan
if you want us to leave you alone
give us a reason?
either fight back or make peace
u have been fighting for more than a decade

just give amnesty to haqqani as well and Talibans will fall like palace of cards

They are welcome like Hisb is, no issues as long as the disarm and live peacefully in the country.
Doors for peace are always open.

So he wont be held accountable for anything that he did ? From what i read all crimes against him will be dropped. Thats crazy because the man was a butcher and killed thousands. Your government should be looking out for him because he is a shady figure. I wouldnt be surprised if he starts dealing with ISI again.

Yes but make peace with the main players. Hekmatyar in 2016 has lost relevance. Deals with Talib should be the ultimate goal so that it brings peace .

Do you know how long did it take for Bangladesh to hold their folks responsible for the 71 episode?
Right now Afghanistan needs peace, these guys will be held responsible when the time is right.
You should read about Charles Taylor of Liberia this is how all these folks end up usually.

 

[TMA]

Arsalan you know that I am perfectly reasonable Afghan and I know you are a reasonable Pakistani, it is not that Afghans have no faults yes we do, we have made mistakes in the past and continue to make some right now but in order for Afghans and Pakistanis to make it work they need to be honest with each other, you know very well that Ghani wanted and still wants to make peace with Pakistan and thus takes action against those threatening Pakistani interest and he is genunie in his outreach but you do know that Pakistan can and must her influence to bring these people to negotiation or force them out of Pakistan, I think this a reasonable request that sane Pakistanis must have talk internally.

A reasonable Afghan would accept that Afghanistan has committed unjust unprovoked aggression against Pakistan back in the day. A reasonable Afghan would accept that Pakistan could not (and cannot) forget this unjust unprovoked aggression (forgive is another matter). A reasonable Afghan would understand that due to this unjust unprovoked aggression Pakistan responded to it in kind which eventually culminated in the Afghan Taliban government.

Now after the NATO invasion, Pakistan has an anti-Pakistan government in Kabul who is "hosting" NATO along with elements of Bharat's security apparatus and "non state actors" which are purposefullly causing destabilization of Pakistan. A reasonable Afghan would see the parallels with previous Afghan mischief against Pakistan and a reasonable Afghan would understand that Pakistan will have no choice (and has no choice) but to respond to this aggression once more.

A reasonable Afghan would realize that if Afghanistan had accepted Pakistan and not waged unprovoked aggression against her then there would be no reason for Pakistan to have responded and no need for an Afghan Taliban government in Kabul. A reasonable Afghan would then realize it is better to stop "hosting" anti Pakistan actors and not to support an anti-Pakistan government in Kabul.

 

[IceCold]

All i hear is blah blah, what are you on about?

Did i expect more from you? Not really

 

[ebrahym]

They are welcome like Hisb is, no issues as long as the disarm and live peacefully in the country.
Doors for peace are always open

you know things dont work like this
all there is left in peshawar 7 is haqqani
once he is in politics
Talibans are as gud as dead
and with all due respect after 2006 Pakistan is accused of supporting and housing Haqqani leadership only
no one has blamed Pakistan for quetta shora or Taliban leadership
now it all starts and ends with Haqqani

 

[mingle]

Tired reading these stories for last 15 yrs plz stop now nobody listen and read anymore

 

[pakistani342]

Nope we don't, there is a difference between them accpeting our concstiatuon, laying down their arms and living peaceful in the country and also promising not to attack a neighbouring country.

Pakistan's definition of good Tali is " you can attack afghanistan, kill their people no prbs" as long as you don't bother Pakistan, but TTP is bad because the attack Pakistan. For us the good Talis are those who abide by the law, disarm and become peaceful citizens of course they will have to account what they did in the last one decade or more.

See the difference?

Good attempt -- but no cigar

the argument you have put forward is seems to make sense -- right?

The problem it has is that it breaks down temporally.

If Mollah X makes peace with Kabul tomorrow -- then all of a sudden Mollah X is good tomorrow. While Kabul is asking Islamabad to go after Mollah X today.

What this means is -- that Kabul are depriving Islamabad of the ability to decide who is a good Mollah (or bad Mollah) time-wise. For example Islamabad can say: since Mollah X will at some point in the future make peace with Kabul so Mollah X is a good Mollah.

Let's try:

Kabul's version If Mollah X makes peace with Kabul tomorrow -- then all of a sudden Mollah X is good tomorrow.

replace time-with-blanks: If Mollah X makes peace with Kabul ______ -- then all of a sudden Mollah X is good _____.

Islamabad's version: If Mollah X makes peace with Kabul tomorrow -- then all of a sudden Mollah X is good today.

The point:

Kabul cannot have sole jurisdiction on what goes in the blanks -- an in all fairness the difference between Kabul and Islamabad is one blank

PS:

You can try other combinations:
. today/tomorrow
. today/today

 

[Khan_21]

Do you know how long did it take for Bangladesh to hold their folks responsible for the 71 episode?
Right now Afghanistan needs peace, these guys will be held responsible when the time is right.
You should read about Charles Taylor of Liberia this is how all these folks end up usually.

When are you making peace deal with Talibs then ? I want to visit Kabul next year for a wedding but can't if there is a sword dangling on my head

 

[xyxmt]

This is not a secret, a more secretive thing would be "Ghani is Afghanistan's president"

 

[Kabira]

Nope we don't, there is a difference between them accpeting our concstiatuon, laying down their arms and living peaceful in the country and also promising not to attack a neighbouring country.

Pakistan's definition of good Tali is " you can attack afghanistan, kill their people no prbs" as long as you don't bother Pakistan, but TTP is bad because the attack Pakistan. For us the good Talis are those who abide by the law, disarm and become peaceful citizens of course they will have to account what they did in the last one decade or more.

See the difference?

Bro good and bad taliban was not state policy as you make it sound like. But I'll you one thing many Pakistanis do believe taliban fighting kaffir Americans are good guys. Pretty much every mullah in Pakistan will same thing and maybe even someone like Imran Khan also.

 

[wiseone2]

Hekmatyar should never been welcomed. How many millions did he kill during the civil war ? These sort of deals is exactly the reason why you guys are in such a mess. Why such short memories? The guy razed down kabul and killed thousands of people.

Your government should be making deals with people that hold 10-30 % of your land.

welcome to politics 101

 

[Arsalan]

Arsalan you know that I am perfectly reasonable Afghan and I know you are a reasonable Pakistani, it is not that Afghans have no faults yes we do, we have made mistakes in the past and continue to make some right now but in order for Afghans and Pakistanis to make it work they need to be honest with each other, you know very well that Ghani wanted and still wants to make peace with Pakistan and thus takes action against those threatening Pakistani interest and he is genunie in his outreach but you do know that Pakistan can and must her influence to bring these people to negotiation or force them out of Pakistan, I think this a reasonable request that sane Pakistanis must have talk internally.

The issue wont be resolved by "internal talks"
There is a sense of being deceived and betrayed on our side given actions, attitude and statements of Afghanistan and that have to be addressed first for the relations to improve. Maaybe the Afghani think and feel the same about us. So when you cannot trust each other and feel that you are were betrayed by the other i do not see much improve relations in such circumstances. The doubts and the confusions need to be cleared for thing to move forward.