Afghan security forces fleeing towards Iran

[CrazyZ]

My sense on Iran's current stance on Afghanistan situation is:

• Iran wants to see the USA humiliated in Afghanistan
• Iran is already involved in multiple ME conflicts....I don't think it wants to expend resources in Afghanistan
• Iran, Pakistan, Russia, and China will cooperate on Afghanistan.
• Iran will hedge by providing some access to Afghanistan to India as well work with its plants in the Kabul regime

 

[Blue In Green]

US equipment left behind in Afghanistan. US tax payer money and now the future Taliban army...How not to fight a war with your enemy..!!

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Would be a real crying shame if a couple of those vehicles ended up in Iranian engineers hands huh?

By accident of course

 

[mike2000 is back]

Vietnam flashbacks..... Doesnt the US get tired of this sort of predictable humiliation?

Go into a foreign country worlds away from home. Try to impose your will, government, and way of life on them by force. Chase your tail around for a decade, blowing trillions, and losing thousands of lives/prestige.

only to leave in humiliation, and barely have your puppet government survive to see your withdrawl....

their media will spin this as another "glorious american victory for freedom". they will say "look at all the gains we made for women, we killed bin laden!!!!!, and we killed so many al qaeda!!!!!!"

and then blame muslims for being "uncivilised" and unappreciative of american "Friendly invasions of democracy" and resistanting such a freedom exporting force on their lands... imposing their way of life on them... how dare those muslims not want western trash culture...

You are talking as if your government didn't support/welcome with open arms the US invasion of Afghanistan and the toppling of the Taliban government . Its well documented that Iran actively helped US forces tracked down prominent taliban officials/fighters . So stop acting like tou guys are innocent/saints. You guys are merely after your interest (which is normal) like every other power reason you are also involved in meddling in many countries in the middle east.
The taliban was your biggest enemy as well, reason your government supported US invasion. So i fail to understand why some of you are acting like you never had any role in US invasion of Afghanistan. Lol

 

[925boy]

You are talking as if your government didn't support/welcome with open arms the US invasion of Afghanistan and the toppling of the Taliban government . Its well documented that Iran actively helped US forces tracked down prominent taliban officials/fighters . So stop acting like tou guys are innocent/saints. You guys are merely after your interest (which is normal) like every other power reason you are also involved in meddling in many countries in the middle east.
The taliban was your biggest enemy as well, reason your government supported US invasion. So i fail to understand why some of you are acting like you never had any role in US invasion of Afghanistan. Lol

Why are you mad that Iran played Afghanistan smarter than US???? you sound salty when you say :

Its well documented that Iran actively helped US forces tracked down prominent taliban officials/fighters . So stop acting like tou guys are innocent/saints.

But thats the trend in the region - Iran is more effective against the US in the region, pound for pound. Afghanistan is just another chessboard, look at Iraq, Yemen, so its not a big deal. Iran helping US get into Afghanistan doesnt put ALL THE DAMAGE US did to AFghanistan on Iran- US and NATO are the ones who chose to occupy Afghanistan, of all countries, so they must account for it. Just bcuz Iran told US to jump into fire, US should do that?

 

[Dariush the Great]

You are talking as if your government didn't support/welcome with open arms the US invasion of Afghanistan and the toppling of the Taliban government . Its well documented that Iran actively helped US forces tracked down prominent taliban officials/fighters . So stop acting like tou guys are innocent/saints. You guys are merely after your interest (which is normal) like every other power reason you are also involved in meddling in many countries in the middle east.
The taliban was your biggest enemy as well, reason your government supported US invasion. So i fail to understand why some of you are acting like you never had any role in US invasion of Afghanistan. Lol

Why should Iran waste brilliant chances to increase their grip on the region? At that time the Taliban engaged in anti-Iranian activities and Iran was right in pursuing their demise. Any other nation would have done the same. We are involved in meddling in the Middle East because that is what we are doing since the start of the Persian empire.. it is just our natural right. Live with it.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Why should Iran waste brilliant chances to increase their grip on the region? At that time the Taliban engaged in anti-Iranian activities and Iran was right in pursuing their demise. Any other nation would have done the same. We are involved in meddling in the Middle East because that is what we are doing since the start of the Persian empire.. it is just our natural right. Live with it.

 

[Dariush the Great]

How is the new Saddam (Kadhimi) doing?

 

[Saddam Hussein]

How is the new Saddam (Kadhimi) doing?

should invade kuwait if he wants to measure against the great saddam, I want to ask you not to place both names in the same sentence out of respect.

Khamenei could strike the GCC one day too, maybe with nukes. Let's see what happens.

 

[Genghis khan1]

You are talking as if your government didn't support/welcome with open arms the US invasion of Afghanistan and the toppling of the Taliban government . Its well documented that Iran actively helped US forces tracked down prominent taliban officials/fighters . So stop acting like tou guys are innocent/saints. You guys are merely after your interest (which is normal) like every other power reason you are also involved in meddling in many countries in the middle east.
The taliban was your biggest enemy as well, reason your government supported US invasion. So i fail to understand why some of you are acting like you never had any role in US invasion of Afghanistan. Lol

.. and Iraq. There is a BBC Panorama documentary on the extent and eagerness of Iranian intelligence sharing with US of the Iraqi targets before and after 2003 invasion. Iranian assets in Iraq provided vital HUMINT for US invasion. Even tho for public consumption, Iranian had a different face and narrative.

 

[khansaheeb]

The human cost to all this turmoil:-

Afghanistan: Reporting streets away from the Taliban in Kunduz province

The BBC's Yogita Limaye travels to Afghanistan's Kunduz province, most of which has fallen to the Taliban.

www.bbc.com

 

[mohsen]

You are talking as if your government didn't support/welcome with open arms the US invasion of Afghanistan and the toppling of the Taliban government . Its well documented that Iran actively helped US forces tracked down prominent taliban officials/fighters . So stop acting like tou guys are innocent/saints. You guys are merely after your interest (which is normal) like every other power reason you are also involved in meddling in many countries in the middle east.
The taliban was your biggest enemy as well, reason your government supported US invasion. So i fail to understand why some of you are acting like you never had any role in US invasion of Afghanistan. Lol

No, Iran has never welcomed US presence around itself, cause invading Iran has been the ultimate goal.
also US never planned to annihilate the Taliban, their superficial fight was merely tactical.

Iran didn't even allow US to use it's air space during Afghanistan or Iraq invasion, let alone supporting it. that was the role of Pakistan and Arab countries. that's the ultimate fact.

US had already entered Afghanistan through Pakistan , and we had the address of anti-Iran elements within Taliban (the elements which were raised by CIA), so we made sure that address is within US targets.
dumbs may call it support!

In US-Iraq war also Iran stayed neutral, (Reformists/traitors in Iran wanted to help Saddam), so again US had to use Arab countries' soil for that invasion, and as soon as that war was over, Iran helped the Iraqis to get ride of US forces through asymmetric warfare.

yes, we do have a smart leader who knows when and how to get ride of Muslims' enemies.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Our fellow Arab brothers enabled America to destroy Iraq.

Those cucks of Arabia, we work hard to defend the Arab world and they opened their butt to America.

 

[dani92]

You are way over exaggerating Iranian capabilities. Iran is on the back foot in the region specially after taking out of solomani. Iran approach to Taliban is strategic, they know well US could use Taliban (via GCC countries) to wreaking havoc in Iran. Imagine a hardline Sunni regime/govt, harboring dozen anti Iranian extremists group, next to Iran, supported by wealth of GCC and expertise of the west. That’s game over for Iran.

Remember, Unlike US, Iran is next door. if Iran enter Afghanistan, so can Taliban enter Iran.

When the US crusaders took soleimani they were already on leaving imagine if they done that in 2007 Iran would have turn Afghanistan and Iran into hell for the Americans.

the only reason why the Americans hade les KIAs then the soviets it’s that the taliban had less support than the mujadideen in the 1980s and not because the US stronger or better.

 

[925boy]

.. and Iraq. There is a BBC Panorama documentary on the extent and eagerness of Iranian intelligence sharing with US of the Iraqi targets before and after 2003 invasion. Iranian assets in Iraq provided vital HUMINT for US invasion. Even tho for public consumption, Iranian had a different face and narrative.

YOu're actually correct.....so lets go with that narrative- Iran DID start cooperating with the US...up until about that time, THEN Bush decided to label Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil", After IRan had helped US with intelligence it didnt have and couldnt obtain with its "technological capabilities"....so US was the one who spoiled the little cooperation and new beginnings for Iran-US relations,w hich was valuable, so once again, US's fault. Once US turned against Iran, that was probalby the final straw, since then, Iran hasnt cooperated with US against any other state in any serious or relevant way.

In AFghanistan and Iraq, US essentially acted as a workhorse for Iran's dreams of removing saddam and The Taliban, and US gladly did it- IS THAT IRAN'S FAULT? nope..its just international politics. no one did what they didnt want to do.

 

[zartosht]

You are talking as if your government didn't support/welcome with open arms the US invasion of Afghanistan and the toppling of the Taliban government . Its well documented that Iran actively helped US forces tracked down prominent taliban officials/fighters . So stop acting like tou guys are innocent/saints. You guys are merely after your interest (which is normal) like every other power reason you are also involved in meddling in many countries in the middle east.
The taliban was your biggest enemy as well, reason your government supported US invasion. So i fail to understand why some of you are acting like you never had any role in US invasion of Afghanistan. Lol

Iran just played the cards it was dealt with beautifully. Iran had absolutely 0 say or influence in American decisions to invade afghanistan/Iraq. infact it is widely believed Iran was the next in the target list if those 2 wars went smoothly for the americans..

in their delusions iraq would only cost 40 billion to invade~ which would be rapyed by the oil revenue of the new government (CHeneys own words). and that a new "democracy" puppet government would become another Japan/German type puppet of the US. right on the Iranian border.

Iran just followed the ANCIENT well known tactic described by sun tzu as "if your enemy is making a mistake, dont interrupt him".

while it had an almost complete hands off approach to afghanistan post w. bush calling Iran "an axis of evil"

it made absolute certain to bleed the americans out of Iraq. and they followed the pakistani "simmering pot" tactic on the americans. They shipped in crude but extremely lethal EFP that could penetrate american armor and by americans own words caused the most american casualties...

while avoiding giving out serious weaponry like ATGMs, anti-air weapons that would have caused such devastating casualties that would almost force americans hand into starting a war with Iran.

it is almost universally accepted that IRan was by far the biggest winner of both american invasions. not by luck, but by beautifully playing the geopolitical chessboard and the cards they were dealt