Afghan rulers: A Timeline of Afghanistan's Treachery Against Pakistan

[Mutakalim]

Scums will always remain as scums, it’s in their genes to get disgraced.

Criticism should remain in limits.

 

[Skywalker]

Criticism should remain in limits.

I do not need your advise. Stfu.

 

[Hamza913]

Please quote the Hadith or Quranic verse.

See previous posts, look up what scholars say, and open Sahih Bukhari or the Quran.

That's your interpretation. Stop mentioning Quran and hadith for your convenience. And if you will have time after all these false chest thumping of yours and labeling other Muslims as kafir and painting them as doing something haram; open books and read. Open quran and read with context. And take your so called intellectualism to a place where people will get impressed by random references of hadiths; which don't even are correct. After you have been proven wrong on your claims, you don't have a bit of the shame to revert and accept that what you did is wrong. Jahalat at it's peak here.

Let me quote you some quranic verses. Surah Al-Hujurat

O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful. (49:6)

And if two factions among the believers should fight, then make settlement between the two. But if one of them oppresses the other, then fight against the one that oppresses until it returns to the ordinance of Allah . And if it returns, then make settlement between them in justice and act justly. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. (49:9)

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy. (49:10)


O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers. (49:11)

O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful. (49:12)

O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. (49:13)

Hahaha, I can't believe you're still defendin this when not a single scholar supports your position, neither does any hadith or verse. Everything in Islam speaks against nationalism. Simple research would do you some good.

Oh and none of those verses support your position.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

See previous posts, look up what scholars say, and open Sahih Bukhari or the Quran.

I am going to say it again, if you think you know what you're talking about.

Please quote the hadith or Quranic verse from where you are basing off your claims.

 

[Hamza913]

I am going to say it again, if you think you know what you're talking about.

Please quote the hadith or Quranic verse from where you are basing off your claims.

Again, see previous posts. I'll parrot some of it for you:

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

What is your opinion on the call for nationalism which believes that belonging to a race or language takes precedence over belonging to a religion, and these groups claim that they do not oppose religion, but they give nationalism precedence over it. What is your opinion of this call?

He replied:

This is a jaahili call, and it is not permissible to join it or encourage those who promote it. Rather it must be put an end to, because Islamic sharee’ah opposes it and rejects it. We should refute their specious arguments and claims with that which makes the truth clear to those who seek it. Islam is the only thing that preserved Arabness in language, literature and culture. Rejecting Islam leads to destroying Arabness in language, literature and culture. Hence the daa’iyahs should strive their utmost to call people to Islam just as the colonialists are striving their utmost to destroy it.

It is a well known principle of Islam, that no Muslim has any excuse for not knowing, that the call for Arab nationalism or any other kind of nationalism, is a false call, grave error and blatant evil; it is a bad jaahili attitude and a plot against Islam and its followers. That is due to many reasons that we have explained in a separate book entitled Naqd al-Qawmiyyah al-‘Arabiyyah ‘ala Daw’ al-Islam wa’l-Waaqi’(Criticism of Arab Nationalism in the Light of Islam and Reality).

Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (4/173).

This book is published in its entirety in Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (1/280-318).

The Shaykh (may Allaah have mercy on him) also said:

One of the greatest of evils and follies is to compare Islam to Arab nationalism. Does nationalism that is devoid of Islam have any characteristics that qualify it to be counted among the ranks of Islam? Can there be any comparison between the two? Undoubtedly this is the gravest insult to Islam and a denial of its principles and wise teachings. How can any sound mind compare between nationalism and Islam when, if Abu Jahl, ‘Utbah ibn Rabee’ah, Shaybah ibn Rabee’ah and other enemies of Islam were alive, they would be among the most prominent supporters and greatest proponents of nationalism, whereas the proponents and supporters of Islam in every time and place are Muhammad the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan, ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and other Sahaabah, the supporters and heroes of Islam, and those righteous people who followed their path? No one would justify comparing nationalism of this ilk, with these men as its supporters, and a religion of such standing, with such supporters and proponents, except one who is deranged, or is a blind follower, or a bitter enemy of Islam. The one who makes such a comparison is like one who compares dung and pearls, or Prophets and devils. The one with insight who ponders this and examines the facts closely, will clearly see that comparing nationalism and Islam is more dangerous to Islam that the comparisons mentioned above. Moreover, how can it be valid to compare nationalism, the fate of one who dies following which is Hell, and Islam, the destiny of one who dies following which is the victory of abiding close to the Lord in an abode of honour?

O Allaah, guide us and our people to the Straight Path, for You are able to do all things.

Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (1/320, 321).

https://islamqa.info/en/97732

https://islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=85881

Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “He is not one of us who calls for asabiyyah, (tribalism/nationalism) or who fights for asabiyyah, or who dies for asabiyyah.” [Abu Dawud]

https://abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/02/19/he-is-not-one-of-us-who-calls-to-tribalism/

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Again, see previous posts. I'll parrot some of it for you:

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

What is your opinion on the call for nationalism which believes that belonging to a race or language takes precedence over belonging to a religion, and these groups claim that they do not oppose religion, but they give nationalism precedence over it. What is your opinion of this call?

He replied:

This is a jaahili call, and it is not permissible to join it or encourage those who promote it. Rather it must be put an end to, because Islamic sharee’ah opposes it and rejects it. We should refute their specious arguments and claims with that which makes the truth clear to those who seek it. Islam is the only thing that preserved Arabness in language, literature and culture. Rejecting Islam leads to destroying Arabness in language, literature and culture. Hence the daa’iyahs should strive their utmost to call people to Islam just as the colonialists are striving their utmost to destroy it.

It is a well known principle of Islam, that no Muslim has any excuse for not knowing, that the call for Arab nationalism or any other kind of nationalism, is a false call, grave error and blatant evil; it is a bad jaahili attitude and a plot against Islam and its followers. That is due to many reasons that we have explained in a separate book entitled Naqd al-Qawmiyyah al-‘Arabiyyah ‘ala Daw’ al-Islam wa’l-Waaqi’(Criticism of Arab Nationalism in the Light of Islam and Reality).

Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (4/173).

This book is published in its entirety in Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (1/280-318).

The Shaykh (may Allaah have mercy on him) also said:

One of the greatest of evils and follies is to compare Islam to Arab nationalism. Does nationalism that is devoid of Islam have any characteristics that qualify it to be counted among the ranks of Islam? Can there be any comparison between the two? Undoubtedly this is the gravest insult to Islam and a denial of its principles and wise teachings. How can any sound mind compare between nationalism and Islam when, if Abu Jahl, ‘Utbah ibn Rabee’ah, Shaybah ibn Rabee’ah and other enemies of Islam were alive, they would be among the most prominent supporters and greatest proponents of nationalism, whereas the proponents and supporters of Islam in every time and place are Muhammad the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan, ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and other Sahaabah, the supporters and heroes of Islam, and those righteous people who followed their path? No one would justify comparing nationalism of this ilk, with these men as its supporters, and a religion of such standing, with such supporters and proponents, except one who is deranged, or is a blind follower, or a bitter enemy of Islam. The one who makes such a comparison is like one who compares dung and pearls, or Prophets and devils. The one with insight who ponders this and examines the facts closely, will clearly see that comparing nationalism and Islam is more dangerous to Islam that the comparisons mentioned above. Moreover, how can it be valid to compare nationalism, the fate of one who dies following which is Hell, and Islam, the destiny of one who dies following which is the victory of abiding close to the Lord in an abode of honour?

O Allaah, guide us and our people to the Straight Path, for You are able to do all things.

Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (1/320, 321).

https://islamqa.info/en/97732

https://islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=85881

Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “He is not one of us who calls for asabiyyah, (tribalism/nationalism) or who fights for asabiyyah, or who dies for asabiyyah.” [Abu Dawud]

https://abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2011/02/19/he-is-not-one-of-us-who-calls-to-tribalism/

I'm not going to listen to some Salafi Shaykh you picked up on the internet.

Also the Hadith you quoted is being wrongly equated as nationalism (asabiyyah). The translation and real meaning of asabiyyah is tribalism and not nationalism.

Asabiyyah would be relating to tribes/clans such as Jatts, Gujjars, Qureshis, and etc... and not nations.

 

[Hamza913]

I'm not going to listen to some Salafi Shaykh you picked up on the internet.

Also the Hadith you quoted is being wrongly equated as nationalism (asabiyyah). The translation and real meaning of asabiyyah is tribalism and not nationalism.

Asabiyyah would be relating to tribes/clans such as Jatts, Gujjars, Qureshis, and etc... and not nations.

Salafis preach the same Islam the early Muslims did. If you have a problem with them, then that's just strange.

Nationalism is just an extension of tribalism, name me one major ideological difference. I'll wait.

 

[Long.Live.Pakistan]

Pakistan have received more damage from Afghanistan than India. I consider Afghanistan as serious threat for Pakistan as India. They have been involved in all serious bomb blasts and sucide attacks within Pakistan.

 

[Ace of Spades]

See previous posts, look up what scholars say, and open Sahih Bukhari or the Quran.

May there be laanat on you for quoting and making up hadith by yourself, you are the most jahil person i have met on PDF. What are you guys up to? @WebMaster @The Eagle @waz are you guys gonna watch only and allow this shi@t when a person is making up hadiths and giving wrong references for his convenience. I reported and tagged you guys before and i am doing it again. Read his posts; he is spreading misinformation in the name of WRONG hadith references. There are no such hadiths which he is quoting and when i cross checked the references he gave they are wrong and those hadiths doesn't exist.

Hahaha, I can't believe you're still defendin this when not a single scholar supports your position, neither does any hadith or verse. Everything in Islam speaks against nationalism. Simple research would do you some good.

I will refrain to engage you further.

 

[waz]

Stop the religious discussion otherwise face bans.

 

[Hamza913]

Stop the religious discussion otherwise face bans.

Sorry boss.

 

[Ray-of-Hope]

At least learn the definition of "treachery" before using the word again. And yeah the genes of the entire land of Afghanistan are scums and filthy. Hence why some of our historic superheroes are Abdalis, Ghorids, Ghaznawids, etc. Just saying.

 

[Hamza913]

At least learn the definition of "treachery" before using the word again. And yeah the genes of the entire land of Afghanistan are scums and filthy. Hence why some of our historic superheroes are Abdalis, Ghorids, Ghaznawids, etc. Just saying.

Ahmed Shah Abdali came from Multan, the Ghaznavids were Persianised Turks, and nobody knows what the Ghurids were. Not to mention each one of these guys had many people from Pakistan fighting in their army's and working under their administration.

But I do agree with your overall point.

 

[Ray-of-Hope]

Ahmed Shah Abdali came from Multan, the Ghaznavids were Persianised Turks, and nobody knows what the Ghurids were. Not to mention each one of these guys had many people from Pakistan fighting in their army's and working under their administration.

But I do agree with your overall point.

Abdali's paternal lineage was from Kandahar, maternal lineage from Herat, and his son shifted city of power to Kabul. Even his place of birth is disputed by many other sources to be in Herat but that's not the point.

Ghaznawids were from Ghazni, which is in Afghanistan. A good 10% of Afghan population is Turk and over 30% is ethnic Tajik who are Persians.

Ghorids were from Ghor province, which is also in Afghanistan. Ethnicity are irrelevant because their roots are to a land which once upon we considered Islamic warriors. Their genes don't change on our perception of them.

Glad you got my point though.

 

[Hamza913]

Abdali's paternal lineage was from Kandahar, maternal lineage from Herat, and his son shifted city of power to Kabul. Even his place of birth is disputed by many other sources to be in Herat but that's not the point.

Ghaznawids were from Ghazni, which is in Afghanistan. A good 10% of Afghan population is Turk and over 30% is ethnic Tajik who are Persians.

Ghorids were from Ghor province, which is also in Afghanistan. Ethnicity are irrelevant because their roots are to a land which once upon we considered Islamic warriors. Their genes don't change on our perception of them.

Glad you got my point though.

Yeah I do agree with what you say about Abdali, the Ghaznavids and Ghurids. I think one thing that's important to note however is that this shouldn't result in Afghans shaming Pakistanis who like these guys. KPK was historically called Afghania, guys from there rightly feel just as much pride over these conquerors. Also, as mentioned earlier, the Ghaznavids and Ghurids had many non-Pakhtun locals (e.g Punjabis) fighting in their army and working in their administration. Pakistan (particularly Lahore) also flourished under Ghaznavid and Ghurid rule. Not to mention they were all Islamic heroes, so naturally Pakistanis like them.

Are you Afghan by any chance?