Afghan president dismisses Pakistani training offer

[Chappal Chor]

Still non of your business!
Like I said never short of taking cheap shots on Pakistan. The bill was for services renedered. So take a hike.
And the good and bad talibs. Personally never Had one. And what if Pakistan had one, what made you the moral police. Remember the Mukhti guys and oh yes the Ltte. So when ones own hands are dirty with crap then should not point at some ones elses dirt.

Thats what i was saying........ you did not did something special or favour for afghanistan. you did a job and you were paid for it. koi ahsaan nahi kara. so stop behaving like that.

What has mukti bahini has to do with afghanistan?

Nothing being a moral police but the double standard which you guys had. the same taliban you did not wanted for you and they were freedom fighters in afghanistan till they were serving your interests now suddenly they also became bad taliban after a meeting with US and u started catching Afghan Taliban assets....

I can understand why Karzai refused to trust you for the training of army.

 

[Aslan]

Thats what i was saying........ you did not did something special or favour for afghanistan. you did a job and you were paid for it. koi ahsaan nahi kara. so stop behaving like that.

What has mukti bahini has to do with afghanistan?

Nothing being a moral police but the double standard which you guys had. the same taliban you did not wanted for you and they were freedom fighters in afghanistan till they were serving your interests now suddenly they also became bad taliban after a meeting with US and u started catching Afghan Taliban assets....

I can understand why Karzai refused to trust you for the training of army.

Well I guess we will ship the 4-6 million Afghans living in Pak to india and then we will see what you will have to say about Ehsans. So stop acting so thick. And what Mukhti had to do with you is what the Talibs have to do with us so again stop acting so thick. And that is what I ment by pointing at some one elses sh!t when your own hands are full of it. So rather then trying to satisfy you inner ego find a better hoby, may be a better forum where one might not be able to smell the crap that you are trying to sell.


"I can understand why Karzai refused to trust you for the training of army"

No matter how much any of us try you will not get it. And as I said earlier its non of your business what we ask Karzai to do.

 

[notsuperstitious]

How can you support a fraud imposed on people! Oh let me guess he is not a ruller or your country so why should you care as long as he is fulfilling the indian agenda. Read the below articles FYR.

A row over alleged fraud in the Afghan presidential election has intensified, after a tribe in the south made the most serious claim so far.

The leader of Kandahar's Bareez tribe says that nearly 30,000 votes were cast fraudulently for President Hamid Karzai instead of a challenger.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Afghan election fraud row mounts


New evidence of widespread fraud in Afghanistan election uncoveredExclusive footage obtained by the Guardian of ballot papers pre-marked for Hamid Karzai that were seized by monitors. The ballots appear to be stamped with the monitors' seal and ready to cast. The monitors filmed then destroyed the papers to stop them being used

New evidence of widespread fraud in Afghanistan election uncovered | World news | The Guardian

The rest you can google it your self!

Your own govt recognises him, pls practice what you preach.

 

[Aslan]

Your own govt recognises him, pls practice what you preach.

And who asked you for your genius opinion!

Read what I responded to before posting. I know that he is recognized by my gov, so whats the big deal. Hammas was an elected gov by the Palestinians, remember what happen to that. So it is about who get endorsed by Uncle Sam and not the people of the poor country.

 

[ramu]

How can you support a fraud imposed on people! Oh let me guess he is not a ruller or your country so why should you care as long as he is fulfilling the indian agenda. Read the below articles FYR.

A row over alleged fraud in the Afghan presidential election has intensified, after a tribe in the south made the most serious claim so far.

The leader of Kandahar's Bareez tribe says that nearly 30,000 votes were cast fraudulently for President Hamid Karzai instead of a challenger.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Afghan election fraud row mounts


New evidence of widespread fraud in Afghanistan election uncoveredExclusive footage obtained by the Guardian of ballot papers pre-marked for Hamid Karzai that were seized by monitors. The ballots appear to be stamped with the monitors' seal and ready to cast. The monitors filmed then destroyed the papers to stop them being used

New evidence of widespread fraud in Afghanistan election uncovered | World news | The Guardian

The rest you can google it your self!

Agreed that their were irregularities in the election process. Does that imply each foreign government start destabilising it ? The direction you are heading will lead to anarchy in Afghanistan. The solution is to wait for democracy to take its time and for the people of Afghan to make a wise choice next time if what you are saying is true. Karzai's regime is limited to the expiry of his term before he seeks a fresh mandate and it is important for all the stake holders to ensure free and fair elections.

 

[Aslan]

Agreed that their were irregularities in the election process. Does that imply each foreign government start destabilising it ? The direction you are heading will lead to anarchy in Afghanistan. The solution is to wait for democracy to take its time and for the people of Afghan to make a wise choice next time if what you are saying is true. Karzai's regime is limited to the expiry of his term before he seeks a fresh mandate and it is important for all the stake holders to ensure free and fair elections.

This discussion will never get any where till the Indians wake up to the reality that they are playing their dirty games in Afghanistan. We as Pakistanis do accept our role of the past. But till the time you as a common Indian will accept that your gov is using and trying to use Afghanistan as a base against PAkistan to put extra pressure on us. There will be no solution to it.

 

[Aslan]

Karzai's regime is limited to the expiry of his term before he seeks a fresh mandate and it is important for all the stake holders to ensure free and fair elections.

It is up to ISAF to do that not the Pakistanis and definetly not the Indians.

 

[Chappal Chor]

Well I guess we will ship the 4-6 million Afghans living in Pak to india and then we will see what you will have to say about Ehsans. So stop acting so thick. And what Mukhti had to do with you is what the Talibs have to do with us so again stop acting so thick. And that is what I ment by pointing at some one elses sh!t when your own hands are full of it. So rather then trying to satisfy you inner ego find a better hoby, may be a better forum where one might not be able to smell the crap that you are trying to sell.

It was your not your ehsaan but a political blunder which you guys did as accepted by your fellow man. by the way if i am not wrong you for doing so you got enough favours from your american friends so no ehsaan again in the end. thats another matter of fact kicked you once their job was done. And mukti bahini was by the will of the people not by enforcement.

by the way whats your obsession with sh!t... lol your every post has one sh!t surely

"I can understand why Karzai refused to trust you for the training of army"

No matter how much any of us try you will not get it. And as I said earlier its non of your business what we ask Karzai to do.

karzai is not your servent... you cannot dictate him to do.

 

[ramu]

This discussion will never get any where till the Indians wake up to the reality that they are playing their dirty games in Afghanistan. We as Pakistanis do accept our role of the past. But till the time you as a common Indian will accept that your gov is using and trying to use Afghanistan as a base against PAkistan to put extra pressure on us. There will be no solution to it.

Even after I agree to the links you provide, you are bent upon going round in circles. What is this Pal ? we are discussing Afghanistan and not India in this thread. Why do you keep hammering something for which you have not provided an iota of proof?

Pakistan is agitated about Afghan policy and if it is influenced by India, why do you think it help for you to sob and get India to agree to your point of view? Pakistani tricks in Mumbai attacks now is public knowledge. Why can't Pakistan do the same and come up with proof. We are convinced that Pakistan was involved and so are many other countries including Pakistan in whose soil the operations were planned. Now instead of digressing let us stick to this topic and not beat around the bush.
Another point you mentioned in the ISAF but you forgot to understand the main theme. Next time around, free and fair elections, by the people and for the people. Make this debate meaningful and not a place to reinforce your POV.

 

[PakiPashtun]

They dont want us to train them no problem, why a entire thread about this? Its their country they are sovereign they consider us TWIN BROTHER.

 

[ramu]

They dont want us to train them no problem, why a entire thread about this? Its their country they are sovereign they consider us TWIN BROTHER.

Finally someone understands that the Afghans have the right to make their own choice. At last. Thanks PakiPashtun. Looks like you are new to this place. Welcome.

 

[PakiPashtun]

^I just dont feel the need for us to be mendling in their affairs and then when they get pissed off well all know how Pashtuns can get when they are upset. we have no borders with them, they can gladly come to our country we can gladly go to there country we are both Muslims and no problem. just cause India is building things we are getting insecure, no,no no. we love afghanistan it is our borther. than people here say pashtuns hate pakistan and afghanistan no, even in pashtunforums.com they show love towards pakistan, so no. this website always has fake pashtuns saying they are from kandahar or peshawar since those are the 2 pashtun cultural strongholds but no. we love them they love us, come to karachi and you will see how much pashtuns from both places love the country dont fall for trollz.

 

[Aslan]

It was your not your ehsaan but a political blunder which you guys did as accepted by your fellow man. by the way if i am not wrong you for doing so you got enough favours from your american friends so no ehsaan again in the end. thats another matter of fact kicked you once their job was done. And mukti bahini was by the will of the people not by enforcement.

by the way whats your obsession with sh!t... lol your every post has one sh!t surely

I know well let me blame that one on my time with the kalay amrecis. Spending too much time with them guys i guess.
karzai is not your servent... you cannot dictate him to do.

And as far as the payement goes for taking in the afghanis well yes we did get an Ak 47 culture loads and loads of drugs and well many other things. And being an Indian you will not get it. And if you would rememeber the Americans left right when they were suppose to be there the most. And also the Mukhti comparison with the talibans is a right one. Just because you won in 71 you got to right the history we did that in Afghanistan.
As much as Karzai is not our servant we are not his. So if he manages to shut up then we will not mind staying quiet. And also talking about the servant I guess you should tell your Chadi Bharam to stay quiet as we are not his servants either.

And yet again your hate for Pakistan comes flying out of your mouth.

thats another matter of fact kicked you once their job was done

 

[notsuperstitious]

And who asked you for your genius opinion!

Read what I responded to before posting. I know that he is recognized by my gov, so whats the big deal. Hammas was an elected gov by the Palestinians, remember what happen to that. So it is about who get endorsed by Uncle Sam and not the people of the poor country.

Your ignorance did.

Stay on topic, hamas has nothing to do with this thread, if your govt has a problem with karzai's govt, don't recognize like we did not recognize the taliban govt.

 

[jbond197]

well i mean its not like he has any control over it, if he doesnt go our way he's screwed simple as that

With this mentality you are sowing the seeds of hatered in the minds of common afghans. The result you are seeing in your cities. Get over your superioirity complex over Afghanistanis..

Mind it any bad development in Afghanistan will have direct impact on Pakistan after all you share border with them