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Afghan peace talks should not cross 'red lines': India

However, there is a problem here:

1). USSR doesn't exist.

That was mistake, I should have mentioned Former USSR states in C.Asia, who are also closely working with Russia.

2). Even if it still did, it'd be just as threatened by NATO presence in Afghanistan as China.

It is wrong to assume Russia, former USSR states are against NATO and USA. There are areas where their interests coincide, one of it is Terrorism.


3). If india is working closely with NATO to contain China then india is also indirectly working against Russia's interests by helping to sustain NATO presence in Russian underbelly. Which is why Russia doesn't allow india to station its fighter squadrons in Tajikistan.

This is about stabilizing Afghanistan, There is no doubt USA and NATO will stay until 2024.

Working with USA do not mean working against Russia.

for eg: India and Russia are exploring in SCS near to Vietnam , where USA also supporting Vietnam's claim.

4). Taliban aren't that stupid to start making enemy out of China. Taliban even engaged Iran, their previous enemy, in talks recently.

It may not be Taliban call them Turkmenistan Taliban or what ever.

& how would that be possible......???

With Aid, development, training and Business :cheers:

Yes, that is correct. This virtually ensures that the region will remain torn between rival interests with no enduring peace or prosperity.

Explain it ...!!!

Good ones I mean who are willing to work with elected democratic govt. of Afghanistan. Not in the sense like if they explode in Afganistan they are good taliban if they do it in pakistan they are bad taliban.
 
Rumbling and Grumbling in Dehli?



US 'rebalancing' in the Hindu Kush
By M K Bhadrakumar

The entente cordial over Afghanistan, which was the finest flower of the United States' "reset" with Russia during Barack Obama's first term as president, is wilting.

Moscow has reacted sharply to the triumphalist surprise announcement by senior officials traveling with Obama to the recent Group of Eight summit in Northern Ireland regarding the commencement of Afghan peace talks in Doha - though protests from Kabul appear to have put these on hold for the time being.


The talks between US officials and Taliban representatives were due to start on Thursday, but Afghan government anger at the opening of a Taliban office in Qatar forced them to be called off, Reuters has reported.

Senior United States officials project that President Obama has a "hands-on" role in kick-starting the talks. They singled out Germany, Norway and Britain for having "contributed significantly" through the past year, but the "core players" are the governments of Afghanistan, Qatar, Pakistan and the US.

Russia does not figure as a serious enough player in the Afghan endgame, as far as Washington is concerned. The US officials say Washington "particularly appreciates" Pakistan's role in the recent months in urging the Taliban to join a peace process. They perceive a "genuine" shift in Pakistani policy. As they put it,

Pakistan has been genuinely supportive of a peace process ... there has in the past been skepticism about their support, but in recent months ... we've seen evidence that there is genuine support and that they've employed their influence such as it is to encourage the Taliban to engage, and to engage in this particular format [at Doha].

Extra leap of faith
Quite obviously, there has been very close US-Pakistan coordination. US Secretary of State John Kerry met Pakistani army chief Ashfaq Kiani at least twice in recent months. Special representative James Dobbins visited Kiani in Rawalpindi a fortnight ago. Kerry telephoned Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Monday and is scheduled to visit Islamabad.

This "genuine" shift in the Pakistani stance generates optimism in Washington regarding "a regional buy-in for stability in South Asia". The US officials hope "to get that type of regional consensus". Evidently, Kerry hopes to utilize his forthcoming visit to Delhi and Islamabad to harmonize the Indian and Pakistani approaches. However, the regional powers such as Russia or India will have to muster the presence of mind to take an extra leap of faith over the inclusion of the Haqqani Network in the Doha talks.

Delhi, in particular, estimates that the Haqqanis perpetrated two murderous attacks on the Indian embassy in Kabul, which resulted in the killing of two senior Indian diplomats. The US had empathized with Delhi but has now done a volte face. There is palpable angst in Delhi.

The US officials now have the following to say about the Haqqani Network by way of justifying the Obama administration's decision to sit down with them for talks:

We [US] considered the Haqqani Network an especially dangerous element of the overall Taliban movement. So the Haqqanis themselves declare themselves part of the overall [Taliban] movement, and we have all evidence that supports that claim ... so we consider them a fully subordinate part of the overall insurgency. So when the Taliban movement opens the office [in Qatar] and is represented by its political commission, that political commission represents, as we understand it, the Haqqani elements as well. We don't know the exact makeup of the Taliban delegation, but we believe that it broadly represents, as authorized by Mullah Omar, the entire movement to include the Haqqanis.

The sophistry in the argument is self-evident. What emerges is that the so-called "red lines" that the Obama administration had dictated for the Taliban to observe before the commencement of any formal talks on reconciliation have been coolly abandoned - snapping the links with al-Qaeda, vowing to work within the four walls of the Afghan constitution and abandoning their medieval practices on the human rights front in regard of issues such as the role of women in society.

The senior US officials now say Washington is pretty much satisfied that the Taliban have issued a statement affirming their good intentions. It does not matter that they do not have any access to the lawless tribal regions of Pakistan and the tangled mountains of eastern Afghanistan where the Haqqanis cohabit and have their daily intercourse with the al-Qaeda - leave alone verify whether the profound links that go back by a quarter century have been conclusively ended.

A level playing field
Even so, the Obama administration is willingly suspending its judgment for the sake of commencing direct talks with the Taliban. So, why is the Obama administration doing this?

Without doubt, the US proposes to "incentivize" the Taliban by meeting their demand for release of their top leaders detained in Guantanamo Bay. The US hopes the detainee exchange will "lead to a diminution in violence."

The Taliban have since coyly admitted that they are willing to discuss a "truce". Conceivably, the Taliban will allow the orderly retreat of the US troops. Most important, Obama will link his decision regarding "the exact shape of our [US] commitment, of our presence beyond 2014" with the outcome of the Doha talks.

In short, the US seeks the Taliban's acquiescence with the establishment of the American military bases in Afghanistan. But why should the Taliban give up their robust opposition to foreign occupation of their country?

Evidently, Taliban too have a "wish list". Their (and Pakistan's) calculation is that time works in their favor. Once ensconced in power in Kabul and in the provinces straddling the Durand Line, they will be in a position to incrementally assert their dominance, being the most cohesive and ideologically motivated group and enjoying the full backing of the Pakistani military.

The plan for the Doha talks did not demand the disarming of the Taliban. Conceivably, Taliban cadres might even merge with the Afghan armed forces. The mother of all ironies will be if the US and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies find themselves in future assisting the "capacity-building" of the Afghan armed forces consisting largely of the Taliban cadres.

Meanwhile, the Western powers have unilaterally declared an end to all combat operations and their stated intent henceforth will be to prevent a comeback by the al-Qaeda. The Taliban as such are no longer regarded as "enemy".

No doubt, the Taliban and their Pakistani mentors are fully justified in assessing that with the passage of time, the strategic balance will only work in their favor because the US and its Western allies will not have the stomach to revert to an active "combat role" once again in what would at any rate by then - in a year or two from now - become a purely fratricidal strife between Afghan groups locked in a struggle for supremacy.

The US officials admit that "the levels and nature of our presence are obviously going to be influenced, on the one hand, by the levels of violence in Afghanistan, and on the other hand, by the presence or absence of international terrorists in or around Afghanistan."

That is to say, on the basis of Taliban's guarantee to cease attacks on American soldiers, the US will establish the military bases. In return, Taliban get rehabilitated politically and would certainly relish the "level playing field" to work toward incrementally establishing their dominance at the inter-Afghan level.

Uses of militant Islam

The Obama administration desperately wants to end the war so that the US could move on to meet the far more important challenges of the containment of China and Russia. But Afghanistan will still remain a crucial theatre, where the needs to remain embedded, given its strategic location geographically.

Unsurprisingly, Russia has begun circling the wagons. Moscow's emphasis is ostensibly on the US "walking away" from Afghanistan leaving the unfinished business of the war. In extensive comments earlier in the week during an interview with the Kuwaiti news agency KUNA, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said:

I would like to specify that it is not about full withdrawal of US armed forces from Afghanistan in 2014. The USA and its allies plan to keep more than 10,000 troops in IRA [Afghanistan]. The USA intends to leave nine big military bases in Afghanistan. The final decision on this issue has not been made yet Washington is negotiating with Kabul over that.

Unfortunately, the current situation in IRA is far from stability and has aggravation trends. At the same time, we keep having an impression that the Americans and their allies want to leave fast and hand over security responsibility for the Afghan forces without considering the situation in the areas of this process.


Phasing out ISAF [the International Security Assistance Force] forces in IRA should be coupled with strengthening Afghan security forces despite the decline in their numbers to avoid security collapse to achieve that they are eventually able to control security in their state, to effectively counteract extremist groupings and drug criminals. We do not see any noticeable advancement in this line.

You are right that the today's processes in Afghanistan seriously affect the entire situation in the region. There is a threat of its destabilization. Even more so that ethnic Uzbek and Tajik extremist and terrorist groupings in the north of IRA are already working on the plans to penetrate territories of Central Asian countries.


But this is public diplomacy on Lavrov's part. Evidently, what is on the Russian mind is the US's propensity, historically speaking, to use the extremist Islamist forces to advance its geopolitical agenda. Old habits die hard, and the US has not been averse to such habits although the Cold War has ended. Theaters such as Bosnia, Libya and, arguably, even Syria testify to that.

Afghanistan is the theater where the strategy to harness the militant jihadis was first attempted by the US in a hugely successful way in the 1980s. The Afghan playpen is still open for the US to pick up the threads where it left in the early 1990s.

Paradoxically, it suits the US geo-strategy to have the Taliban return to power and Afghanistan becoming an "Islamic" state. The talks in Doha aim at working out the ground rules of a "peaceful co-existence" between the US and the Taliban.

What Russia would apprehend is that it is a matter of time before this co-habitation between the US and the Taliban would mutate into a tacit "division of labor" between the two protagonists with regard to Central Asia. The strengthening of the Russian military presence in Tajikistan anticipates such a turn of events in the geopolitics of the region.

On Thursday in Kyrgyzstan, the country's parliament overwhelmingly voted in favor of the government's decision determining July 11, 2014, as the date by which the US should vacate its military personnel and equipment from the Manas air base. Last September, Kyrgyzstan agreed with Russia on the consolidation of long-term Russian military presence in Kyrgyzstan within a unified format from 2017 onward.

Perfect partnership
The deep chill in Russia's ties with the US is beginning to cast its spell on Moscow's approach to the Afghan situation. Obama has retracted from the earlier assurance given to the Russian leadership that once he got re-elected as president, he would show flexibility on the missile defense issue.

The Group of Eight summit's communique this week reveals that an uneasy patch-up on Syria apart, the discord between Moscow and Washington continues unresolved. Meanwhile, NATO is steadily approaching Russia's post-Soviet borders. Georgia's membership of NATO is on the cards. Above all, a concerted US attempt to destabilize the Russian domestic political scene worries the Kremlin.

Thus, for a variety of reasons, Afghanistan is moving into the center stage of US-Russia tensions. But the big question is what Russia can do to stop the Obama administration in its tracks. Russian leverage is little
, except for the US and NATO's dependence on the Northern Distribution Network, the supply line into Afghanistan from Central Asia, which is, however, not critical.

That is why Moscow sized up the importance of Pakistan's role and made some overtures to reach an understanding with Islamabad regarding the Afghani situation, but the South Asian paradigm - India-Pakistan rivalry and Russia's ties with India - put inherent limitations to the Russian diplomacy.

Meanwhile, the US has revived links with the Pakistani military leadership and is cashing in on the latter's control over foreign and security policies. The Pakistani generals have established a rapport with Kerry, while Washington is restraining itself from being seen in any way as patronizing or encouraging the democratization process in Pakistan leading to the establishment of civilian supremacy.

If anything, Washington remains wary of the leadership of Nawaz Sharif. Suffice to say, the Obama administration is on the right track to figure out that this is the most opportune moment to strike a deal with the Pakistani military leadership so that the Taliban can be "reconciled".

Indeed, there is no serious contradiction between the respective American and Pakistani interests. What Pakistan is looking for - stability on the Durand Line, a rollback of Indian influence in Kabul, a friendly government in Kabul and so on - does not really affect the US' vital interests and core concerns in Afghanistan with regard to Washington's "rebalancing" strategy in Asia.

On the other hand, a Pakistani military leadership that is at peace with itself as regards the Afghan situation would be the best mate the US can look for in the region, especially when Washington's relations with Moscow have soured and the US dependence on the Pakistani transit routes is only going to increase even further with the establishment of the nine American military bases in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, Al Jazeera reported that the US was confident direct peace talks will soon go forward.

"We anticipate these talks happening in the coming days," Jen Psaki, State Department spokesperson, said, on Thursday in Washington, adding that she could not be more specific, the report said.

M K Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India's ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001).
 
No need to worry, This time Taliban will not take over or come to power like in the 90's.

India is quietly building bases in Tajikistan, It is co operating with former USSR states.

India have FTA with four central Asian nations

India is building Chahabar port and highways to connect Afghanistan and Iran.

India will become biggest player in Afghanistan development.

India is bidding for multi billion dollar mines in Afghanistan.

India is training Afghanistan security forces.

India is Going to participate in pipe line projects which will be from C.Asia for energy security.

India is all set to revive centuries old cultural ties with Afghanistan.

India is ready to import dry fruits and other commodities from C.Asia.


These things all will make up worth Billions of dollars of investment and India have bigger stakes in Afghanistan peace process.

India will play a key role Afghanistan peace process. :yahoo:

LOL. Taliban is allowing this to happen as when the NATO troops leave, it will take over everything. So keep up the good work.
 
The more correct term would be partner not part. Afghan taliban have bit of Afghan nationalism in them, consider their struggle as national one...their partners haqqanis on the other hand operates from pakistani soil, has mostly pakistani pashtuns as its fighters and is linked with ISI. They are responsible for worst of suicide bombings and has has huge number of foriegn militants under its folds , thus cant distance itself from "international terrorism".

Both Afghan Taliban and HN declared themselves as one organisation so the facts won't change by giving them some twist. ISI is linked with a lot of organisation doesn't mean we dictate their moves but rather just to gather intelligence from groups who wish to harm Pakistan. So stop blaming ISI and pakistan for the shortcomings of afghans by putting all the blame on them.
 
The Indians have so far been lucky to piggy back on American efforts without investing any blood and treasure. The scenario will change as the Americans begin to pack up and start implementing stabilizing factors to create equilibrium in Afghanistan. American and Indian interests have started to diverge because Indian support for terrorist and separatist elements inside Pakistan is counter productive for the Americans, and as the Americans are implementing these stabilizing factors India will increasingly find herself irrelevant unless it increases the level of support it is willing to offer Afghanistan.

Unless India is willing to put more money and boots on the ground, she will find it increasingly hard to keep her small investments intact and will largely be marginalized inside Afghanistan. At the end of the day, the real players are going to be the movers and shakers and just be sitting on the side lines, India cannot be a real player. India is at cross roads right now, either she will have to exponentially increase its support for Afghanistan or became irrelevant in the future process.
 
& What benefits will India get with this aid, development and other stuff......???

1) A corridor to C.Asia for oil and natural gases.

2) Mining rights

3) Chance to work with C.Asian nations on trade and commerce, we already have FTA with three C.Asian nations.
 
No need to worry, This time Taliban will not take over or come to power like in the 90's.

No body giv ****** about what India and Indian thinks lol this is POWER PLAYER Game muna ye Amreka kay underware kay andar chup kar kheelnay waloon ka game nahe hey lol

India is quietly building bases in Tajikistan, It is co operating with former USSR states.

lol @ your Tajikistan Base

India have FTA with four central Asian nations

again LOL @ FTA with FOUR THOUSAND Central Asian nations lolzzzz

India is building Chahabar port and highways to connect Afghanistan and Iran.

What can i say about your chahabar port lol ye batain kartay hansi nahe ati tuje ? lol

India will become biggest player in Afghanistan development.

India . and Biggest player hahhahaha under US underware ya... but after withdrawl? LOLZzz

India is bidding for multi billion dollar mines in Afghanistan.

Multi Shalti talti billion $$ project mines hahahhahahhah Taliban will ******** your multi billiOn $$$

India is training Afghanistan security forces.

hahaha A security forces which not even represent 10% control Afghanistan lolzzzzzzzzzz

India is Going to participate in pipe line projects which will be from C.Asia for energy security.

LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ and want Amereeekan gerenterzzz for in case of conflict btw Indo Pak... Pakistan will not cut-off supply right ? whata super power hahahahhahah

India is all set to revive centuries old cultural ties with Afghanistan.

eek tu is culture ke ********* hey har jaga ye culture goseernay ke adat phar gaye hey lol

India is ready to import dry fruits and other commodities from C.Asia.

lol

These things all will make up worth Billions of dollars of investment and India have bigger stakes in Afghanistan peace process.

ya ya ya ..... make up worth billion $$ lol

India will play a key role Afghanistan peace process. :yahoo:

LOLZZZZZZZZZ ye story kis kitaaab may phari hey ??? LOLZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




teri 4000 posts kesi hoongi ise eek post ko phar kar idea hogaya hey :omghaha:
 
No body giv ****** about what India and Indian thinks lol this is POWER PLAYER Game muna ye Amreka kay underware kay andar chup kar kheelnay waloon ka game nahe hey lol



lol @ your Tajikistan Base



again LOL @ FTA with FOUR THOUSAND Central Asian nations lolzzzz



What can i say about your chahabar port lol ye batain kartay hansi nahe ati tuje ? lol



India . and Biggest player hahhahaha under US underware ya... but after withdrawl? LOLZzz



Multi Shalti talti billion $$ project mines hahahhahahhah Taliban will ******** your multi billiOn $$$



hahaha A security forces which not even represent 10% control Afghanistan lolzzzzzzzzzz



LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ and want Amereeekan gerenterzzz for in case of conflict btw Indo Pak... Pakistan will not cut-off supply right ? whata super power hahahahhahah



eek tu is culture ke ********* hey har jaga ye culture goseernay ke adat phar gaye hey lol



lol



ya ya ya ..... make up worth billion $$ lol



LOLZZZZZZZZZ ye story kis kitaaab may phari hey ??? LOLZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




teri 4000 posts kesi hoongi ise eek post ko phar kar idea hogaya hey :omghaha:

geez...... I can uncderstand your frustration :cheers:
 
Russia throws its weight behind Karzai

Afghanistan’s President Hamid Karzai’s refusal to participate in peace talks with Taliban on grounds of contested sovereignty has led to an indefinite postponement of the dialogue in Doha that the Americans were keen to steer.

Itar-Tass news agency quoting sources close to the negotiating process reported the postponement of the talks. The U.S. State Department said on Wednesday that the visit to Qatar by the U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan James Dobbins has been delayed.

After following closely the open spat between the Americans and the Afghans, the Russians, already at odds with Washington over the situation in Syria and Iran, expressed their stance on the rapidly mutating situation in the heart of the Hindu Kush. On Wednesday, the Russian Foreign Ministry announced that it fully supported Mr. Karzai’s position that peace efforts in the war-torn country should be led by the government of Afghanistan, instead of the U.S.

Talks halted

Apprehending that the Americans and the Taliban had taken custody of the Doha peace talks, the Karzai administration had retaliated strongly by suspending security talks with Americans over stationing of U.S. troops in Afghanistan after the 2014 NATO withdrawal from the country.

Upholding the principle of sovereignty, Mr. Karzai also asserted that members of the High Peace Council — the body entrusted with peace talks with the Taliban — would “neither attend nor participate in the talks” until the process was “completely” in the hands of Afghans. He also signalled the necessity of ceasefire, pointing out that talks “will be possible when only Afghan parties will take part and the country will put an end to violence”.

The Russian Foreign Ministry stressed that a peace dialogue in Afghanistan could have a positive outcome only if the government in Kabul led the process, and on condition that the Taliban severed ties with al-Qaeda, ended the violence and accepted Afghanistan’s constitution, including its protections of women and minorities.

By Thursday, it had become clear that the Karzai government was in no mood to be placated by the removal of the Taliban flag and the plaque which said the facility belonged to the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan from its new office. These two signs of Taliban’s attempt at usurping Afghan sovereignty had been removed overnight following intervention by the Qatari government on the insistence of the Americans.

The U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had thrice called Mr. Karzai on Wednesday, but his exertions have not yielded any visible results so far. The Afghan website TOLO news is reporting that Kabul has expressed serious reservations about the U.S. initiative.

The Taliban, meanwhile, seemed to be mounting a fresh charm offensive to engage with the Americans. The Associated Press quoting a senior spokesman reported that Afghan Taliban are ready to free a U.S. soldier, held captive since 2009, in exchange for five of their senior operatives, imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, as a conciliatory gesture.
 
Indians need to understand you can't just buy influence.

Afghanistan is robbing you India, they are taking your money. When America withdraw they will turn their backs on you.
 
1) A corridor to C.Asia for oil and natural gases.

What will be the rout of that corridor??

2) Mining rights

In which Afghan province you people will start mining projects.....???


3) Chance to work with C.Asian nations on trade and commerce, we already have FTA with three C.Asian nations.


What is the importance of Afghanistan to in C.Asian Trade....???
 

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