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Afghan peace talks should not cross 'red lines': India

I agree with the writer as a whole...

A few months back, it seemed that Pak and US had parted way permanently...never to come together on this issue again. The perception going around was that we were organizing attacks against US bases while they were doing the same to us.

But now, Pakistan has become the main player in these peace talks, and we are in a very authoritative position.

The response of Karzai remains to be seen in this issue, this certainly isn't going down too well with him. The writer says he might try to muster up some courage with other Afghan leaders and go on a mass contact program, but I don't see that happening.

Karzai is happy enough to accumulate wealth sitting in his palace...he would silently get out of the country in a chateau in France!
 
I agree with the writer as a whole...

A few months back, it seemed that Pak and US had parted way permanently...never to come together on this issue again. The perception going around was that we were organizing attacks against US bases while they were doing the same to us.

But now, Pakistan has become the main player in these peace talks, and we are in a very authoritative position.

The response of Karzai remains to be seen in this issue, this certainly isn't going down too well with him. The writer says he might try to muster up some courage with other Afghan leaders and go on a mass contact program, but I don't see that happening.

Karzai is happy enough to accumulate wealth sitting in his palace...he would silently get out of the country in a chateau in France!

read the para the writer said he would have all the traits of Northern Afghan warlords to muster support BUT this is also flawed notion because he being Pashtun wont be able to side with north fully as it will deminish any chance of his brother to be acceptable to Pukhtuns there.

Karzai is NOT at all alternate even to the brutal warlord dostum.
Again at the end of the day its all about accomodating ligetimate players including Pakistan and Iran in the entire game.
 
More than ever, he needs the skills of the Panjsheri leaders, Abdullah and Qanooni, the analytical capacities of the former Intelligence Chief, Amrullah Saleh, the courage of the Hazara leader, Mohaqiq, and the tenacity of the Uzbek leader, Dostum. Along with them he needs to travel, with all its risks, especially to Pashtun areas to warn against the long-term dangers the Taliban represent to Afghanistan’s future. Perhaps this is too much to ask of Mr. Karzai

the larger question his excellency the Ambassador should be asking is since the US is Master in Afghanistan and since the leaders, all Northern Alliance, that he mentions, are known and friendly with the US, why is it that the US does not facilitate?? What might this say about the quality of opinion the Ambassador offers, at least with regard to realistic options, at this time?

The Ambassador offers "The Taliban are part of the Afghan landscape but their vision of the country’s future is flawed for it is exclusionary, not inclusive of Afghanistan’s diversities. Our diplomacy while remaining realistic and flexible must not be oblivious of this basic aspect. "

This absolute position speaks volumes and perhaps this may not reflect Indian diplomacy but rather the Ambassador's ideological orientation.
 
India seems like an attention wh0re. They think they matter some how in matters which do not concern them.
Kina reminds me, when Americans were getting all the attention when they sent a robot to planet mars. India felt left out and a few days latter she announced India's space program to mars. Mean while Millions of Indians were starving to death with no concept of sanitation or personal hygiene..

India is an attention wh0re who lives in her own delusional world....
 
Taliban in Qatar office :rofl:

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Phook so rich coming from you whereas you should be the last one to talk about terrorism. Pakistan is known for one thing only and that is terrorism..You did it in Khalistan and Kashmir. You are now feeling the heat when your stinking arse is blown up by Talibs. Whenever I see fucktards like you sometimes I feel whatever is happening over there is happening for good.


Just joined a Pakistani site with 38 posts, and already calling Pakistan a terrorist state and insulting members.

How typical.

Reported.

PS: Human garbage seems so obsessed with Pakistan....get banned now with the rest of your kind.
 
What to do with this site ? Have common sense..Each and every news paper is fill out of such sort of news coming out from Pakistan. Do I have to make my perception based on your views or the reality emerging from external sources.

Better to have 38 posts and sound intelligent rather than having 965 posts and sound like an idiot.

Keep on reporting, I will say what I believe and what I learn from neutral sources. Whatever I said is being said by your intellectuals only and that too is on records.try to google it out.

What neutral sources are those?

And if you read further material by intellectuals, what you will discover about India's involvement in terrorism will also make for interesting info.

apni bakvas band kar

Blame the Taliban who don't think much of India.
Blame your government for betting on someone Karzai.

And now blame the US for ignoring you.
 
What to do with this site ? Have common sense..Each and every news paper is fill out of such sort of news coming out from Pakistan. Do I have to make my perception based on your views or the reality emerging from external sources.

Better to have 38 posts and sound intelligent rather than having 965 posts and sound like an idiot.

Keep on reporting, I will say what I believe and what I learn from neutral sources. Whatever I said is being said by your intellectuals only and that too is on records.try to google it out.

Can you stick to the topic please? Whatever **** you're mentioning is off topic, I suggest you start a new topic if you feel so strongly about it.
 
A visit to Kabul
Saleem Safi
Wednesday, June 26, 2013


Being the place my forefathers originated from, Afghanistan has always attracted me. However, Kabul’s breeze, its beautiful hills, the soothing beauty and the peace of mind and heart I feel there come with a heavy price – the political situation in the country, which leaves me very restless.

On each visit, the confusion among the Afghan political leadership, the international and regional players’ tug of war in Kabul and the rivalry within the Afghans grieve me deeply. This is an account of what I experienced and observed during my recent visit to the country.

Besides my team, this time Aqeel Yousafzai, Israr Atal and Karan Khan made for pleasant company in Kabul and northern Afghanistan. I had a good long chat with Pakistan’s ambassador to Afghanistan Muhammad Sadiq and the deputy speaker of the Afghan parliament Mirwais Yasini, enjoyed a lavish dinner by young poet, author and broadcaster Haroon Hakimi, and indeed the very beautiful music of Karan Khan and Abdulla Maquri. Ambassador Sadiq had hosted many Pakhtun leaders from southern and eastern Afghanistan – along with all his staff.

At the event hosted by Mirwais Yasini I met more than a dozen Afghan parliamentarians, while Hakimi invited writers, poets and other media personnel for a light-hearted chat. I had the pleasure of having my respected friend Dr Ataullah Wahidyar’s learned company during a visit to the Panjshir Valley where I visited Ahmed Shah Massoud’s tomb. An interview with former president Ahmad Zia Masood and tea with Salahuddin Rabbani (son of late Burhanuddin Rabbani and head of the High Peace Council) provided some new insights into the Afghan issue.

Some of what I observed during this trip might help unravel and understand the undercurrents of the current political scenario there. To record an interview of Afghan President Hamid Karzai, I had to reach Kabul on June 11. Before leaving Islamabad on June 10, I was informed of a Taliban suicide attack at the Kabul airport. The ensuing retaliatory action by the government resulted in the deaths of seven suicide bombers. However, when I reached the Kabul airport things seemed almost normal. Since President Karzai was due to arrive from Qatar, there were some extra security measures in place, but they did not – in any way – impede routine operations.

The next day, while at the President House, I heard an explosion. Soon I was informed that a suicide bomber had blown himself up in front of the Supreme Court building and many people had been killed. I assumed that, once done with the interview, I would witness terrorised and empty streets. On the contrary, life outside was going about at its usual pace. It seems that Kabul and its residents are immune to such activities and don’t even waste their time and energy in hiding from such acts of terror. At night, hotels were full and wedding halls were lit up.

This time I found Hamid Karzai in an even worse situation. His security process has become extremely intense. Each person has to go through five layers of security – the police, the military, the intelligence community, the protocol wing and his personal staff – before meeting the president. The five layers are not answerable to each other and so keep a check on each other. It is a common assumption in the country that past killings of major Afghan leaders were planned on Pakistani soil by the Taliban. Thus, visitors from Pakistan receive special attention in all five security layers.

When I reached the President House along with the protocol officers, I was allowed to pass but my cameraman Salman Qazi, senior producer Khalid Umer and associate producer Adil Awan were not that lucky. While they did enter the presidency after a while, the interview was recorded by the president’s team. By the time my team had passed through all the security checks, I was done with the interview. Karzai and the protocol officers repeatedly expressed their regret at this and I repeatedly, as per etiquette, termed it a routine matter.

The fact is that like any other state, in Afghanistan too this centre of power is also where lobbyists struggle to promote their own agendas. The anti-Pakistan lobby works hard for people like us to be kept away from President Karzai. Another lobby was concerned that the president should not be too harsh on Pakistan during the interview while yet another feared the exact opposite. The said interview has now been aired and is also accessible online.

A new development is also worth mentioning. The northern Afghanistan leadership and Pakistan are getting closer and the Pakhtun leadership is losing that affinity – or is at least very concerned about that. While no Uzbek, Hazara or Tajik leader uttered a single word against Pakistan the Karzai camp was very upset with us. They seem to be feeling seriously threatened by the growing ties between Pakistan and the northern leadership in Afghanistan.

The eastern and Pakhtun-dominated areas of Afghanistan have seen many anti-Pakistan rallies over the last three months. However, no non-Pakhtun leader has as yet commented on the situation. Hamid Karzai wishes to use the issue of the Durand Line to pressurise Pakistan, but even in this he is not supported by the northern leadership. Either they do not wish to oppose Pakistan or they hold the same view over the issue as does Pakistan.

At this point, the major political concern is the division within the Pakhtun leadership in Afghanistan – which could be a serious setback to the future of the country. The foremost divide is of the Taliban and the non-Taliban. The Hizb-e Islami – the largest political party – is divided into three main factions. Almost every Pakhtun leader sitting in Kabul is against the rest of the Pakhtun leadership and is a candidate in the coming presidential elections. The Karzai camp so far has not been able to finalise its candidate. In contrast, the northern leadership is united and clear in its ideas, and has shortlisted a few candidates and already begun the election campaign.

I feel that Hamid Karzai is once again moving from his anti-Pakistan stance towards a pro-Pakistani posture – but perhaps for the last time. His interview with me, in which he praised Nawaz Sharif and showed his support for issues like drone strikes and negotiations with the Taliban in Pakistan, also proved this.

In this interview, just like in his previous interview with me, he repeated that Afghanistan would stand with Pakistan in case any country – even the US – ever invaded Pakistan. However, this time he wishes to use the Durand Line issue and negotiations with the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan as a bargaining chip.

He spoke fondly of Nawaz Sharif and the political leadership and chose a harsher tone for the military. This was probably a consequence of an imagined rivalry between the two but I think this card is not going to work.
 
I agree with the writer as a whole...

A few months back, it seemed that Pak and US had parted way permanently...never to come together on this issue again. The perception going around was that we were organizing attacks against US bases while they were doing the same to us.

But now, Pakistan has become the main player in these peace talks, and we are in a very authoritative position.

The response of Karzai remains to be seen in this issue, this certainly isn't going down too well with him. The writer says he might try to muster up some courage with other Afghan leaders and go on a mass contact program, but I don't see that happening.

Karzai is happy enough to accumulate wealth sitting in his palace...he would silently get out of the country in a chateau in France!

Sir Taliban will be back in power Sir they are the ones who are now taking lead position in talks they are the ones who are talking on his terms the only question is how long it will take Mullah Omar to become leader of Afghanistan again

I agree with the writer as a whole...

A few months back, it seemed that Pak and US had parted way permanently...never to come together on this issue again. The perception going around was that we were organizing attacks against US bases while they were doing the same to us.

But now, Pakistan has become the main player in these peace talks, and we are in a very authoritative position.

The response of Karzai remains to be seen in this issue, this certainly isn't going down too well with him. The writer says he might try to muster up some courage with other Afghan leaders and go on a mass contact program, but I don't see that happening.

Karzai is happy enough to accumulate wealth sitting in his palace...he would silently get out of the country in a chateau in France!

Sir Taliban will be back in power Sir they are the ones who are now taking lead position in talks they are the ones who are talking on his terms the only question is how long it will take Mullah Omar to become leader of Afghanistan again
 
OK, so looks like the players have reported to their respective camps - Let the games begin.

calling it a game is harsh, but then what else would one call these shenanigans?

@muse,

PressTV - Iran slams negotiations between US and Taliban in Qatar

Iran Foreign Ministry Spokesman Abbas Araqchi says Tehran is opposed to negotiations between the United States and the Taliban militants in the Qatari capital of Doha.

On Thursday, Afghan Foreign Ministry released a statement expressing Kabul’s anger and frustration at the opening of Taliban office in Qatar.



That makes it three - Russia, India and Iran plus the Afghan Government (The 80's bunch) :D

As for China, it's riding the fence as usual - talking to both the Taliban and to Karzai and will negotiate with whoever is in power post 2014.

By history I meant the alignments - there have been a number of variables and changes down the years. But history is surely repeating itself as far as the Afghan populace is concerned - they will not see peace yet.

The point of this here?

India - US relations is too complicated to make sense of..

That an explanation of exactly where the US wants to go with Doha is certain to be on the agenda, as is the re-hypenation that seems to have crept into equations. Also see Rumbling and Grumbling in Dehli

]India is not in the picture in the Taliban - US talks and wouldn't want to be as well, though there will be signals that will be thrown in the general directions [/I]- I guess New Delhi will wait for the US to figure out its way, and Afghanistan is not an issue that is of such importance that it will affect US India relations. There has been a slow turnout in results compared to what was hoped for in the relations but that can be attributed to the laggardness in the global economy and both big nations having some major commitments at home to take care of.

:dance3: :dance3: we are on side of good Taliban oh yeh :dance3:
 
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