Afghan, Pakistani Forces Clash

[muse]

Why are you against our army??

Because it's not "our" Army - and because it is not a Army that has at it's heart, Country, Duty and Honor.

It's called the Paak Fauj suggesting that it is Pakistan's army, but it is not, it belongs to it's officer corp and they have sold it to a particular religious cult - they have no affinity with Pakistan, neither the officer corp nor their army, they fight for who ever affords them. It is a disgrace of an army because it has no honor, it's soldiers are expert not at killing the enemy but surrendering (all very Islamic).

Our task must be to create a Army worthy of the label "Pakistan Army", not this national disgrace, that values the lives of it's soldiers even less than it values the nation state of Pakistan.

 

[Armstrong]

Why do most Afghans hate Pakistan? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out!

Yeah but one does need to be a rocket scientist to understand why the foOk do most Pakistanis still love Afghans as their brothers & sisters ?

 

[Digital Soldier]

hufff.... How Stupid they are.. Having this type of enemy or opposition is just simply your own insult...
I can only say this..

Its just a video, very old one, an exceptional case. Most modern armies like US army have addicts and crazy people in their armed forces.
And do you know your security forces kill people for 20 rupees, I heard several such cases when they killed poor drivers. so corrupt and cheap.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Wow! That sucks! It seems that Pakistan is going to have a massive problem on its hands after the US troops withdrawal. The Pakistani Army's grand design and one point agenda of 'strategic depth' in Afghanistan is going to come a cropper, what with the Afghans going hammer and tongs against them!

Why do most Afghans hate Pakistan? You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out!

No actually if you analyze events from 60s onwards every time they stepped foot across the border they were shot - either by regular troops or by the tribes.

When the funding dries they won't even have bullets left even in chanber. Assuming Talebs don't get to them first

 

[Armstrong]

There's only one language this foreign funded "army" would understand.

This has gone too far and a lot of guys are getting more than just ghusa


Zigana is a Turkish made fully automatic pistol. Bought it just before I left for the states; still in the box and came with extended mag

The ANA is an enemy force. The sooner we realize it the better. Lets see what happens to them in a few months/years.

As for construction of posts - it will continue and there ain't nothing some kooni ANA could do about it

How will the Tribals react if the Pakistan Army were to respond to the next engagement with a small skirmish or too with the ANA on the border Tribal Areas ?

 

[Pinnacle]

Its just a video, very old one, an exceptional case. Most modern armies like US army have addicts and crazy people in their armed forces.
And do you know your security forces kill people for 20 rupees, I heard several such cases when they killed poor drivers. so corrupt and cheap.

When ?? Where ?? I havent heard anything like that.. May be they were ANA soldiers instead of Pak Army....
I think You Forgot...

 

[IamINDIA]

I think this is a plan by the the afghan government to unite their ppl against a common foe. from a neutral point of view its a good idea cause it will unite the ppl of Afghanistan and give more credibility to ANA while reducing the influence of Taliban among the ppl of the country.

 

[muse]

No actually if you analyze events from 60s onwards every time they stepped foot across the border they were shot - either by regular troops or by the tribes.

When the funding dries they won't even have bullets left even in chanber. Assuming Talebs don't get to them first

And of course the Talib will not come for Pakistan ?

The best way to deal with Afghans and Pashtun of any variety is to be fair but firm - if you will deliver punishment, deliver it fully, not like the so called Pakistan Army waiting to surrender

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

How will the Tribals react if the Pakistan Army were to respond to the next engagement with a small skirmish or too with the ANA on the border Tribal Areas ?

depends where these undisciplined idiots expend their bullets before running out and being forced to run away as per example A, B, C, X, Y an Z of the past 40 some years.

again - that's assuming the talebs and the other anti-govt. forces of the central-east, easternmost and southeast provinces that are largely out of govt. control dont get to them first

Bajaur has often been in their cross-hairs simply because despite repeated attempts at crossing border, they failed. Irregular tribal militias like Mamon Qaumi Lashkar tought them good "education"


examples:

Bajaur incursion: Afghan militants retreat after suffering losses – The Express Tribune

Border incursion in Bajaur: Clashes continue between Afghan intruders, tribesmen – The Express Tribune

And of course the Talib will not come for Pakistan ?

The best way to deal with Afghans and Pashtun of any variety is to be fair but firm - if you will deliver punishment, deliver it fully, not like the so called Pakistan Army waiting to surrender

i don't know what meds you're on today

it's the afghans who always ran away; just look at some of the links i posted above

and as long as they have millions of refugees, as long as they engage in conduct that harms out interest - i have no sympathy at all for them. Let them all fester and burn further for a while. Bring in the Air Force too.

a few sonic booms over Kabul will smash the glass of their presidential palace and either make them mad or make them "introspect"

 

[Digital Soldier]

When ?? Where ?? I havent heard anything like that.. May be they were ANA soldiers instead of Pak Army....
I think You Forgot...

Are you living in Pakistan?? Its habitual behavior of Pakistani security forces, you don't need any prove.

 

[Dance]

Yeah but one does need to be a rocket scientist to understand why the foOk do most Pakistanis still love Afghans as their brothers & sisters ?

Thats changing.

Thanks to the internet and by interacting with Afghans, Pakistanis are finding out the true nature of Afghans. Most Pakistanis I know really don't like them.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I think this is a plan by the the afghan government to unite their ppl against a common foe. from a neutral point of view its a good idea cause it will unite the ppl of Afghanistan and give more credibility to ANA while reducing the influence of Taliban among the ppl of the country.

Could very well be. The issue is - Karzai himself is a hated man. He's scared of the very army you're talking about, why do you think American private contractors who provide security services are the ones guarding his sorry, mentally unstable azz. Did you ever think of that aspect?

99% of the worth of their GDP is derived either directly by foreign assistance or projects that were tendered to foreign companies; unless they plan to finance an army they cant even afford to pay salaries or pensions to using narcotics money (which again, they might try to do) -- they have ZERO chance against Pakistan

and that applies to india as well - which has tried to use Afghanistan as a base to foment and create an anti-Pakistan agenda. That plan will have failed too since Karzai and their indian ally 'forced' Pakistan to opt for the realistic and least of all evils.

Wait till 2014. Then the real games will begin. Only this time, hopefully we'll have the sanity to expel every last Afghan from Pakistani soil. They should not be welcome.

 

[muse]

as long as they engage in conduct that harms our interest - i have no sympathy at all for them. Let them all fester and burn further for a while. Bring in the Air Force too.

a few sonic booms over Kabul will smash the glass of their presidential palace and either make them mad or make them "introspect"

Talk is cheap - it's what I would want as well, but how come in all these years the army that runs away to fight another day, never did that? I blame the so called Pakistan army for this state of affairs - had it responded with overwhelming force and ensured that Afghan reinforcements would be preoccupied with collecting and burying the dead, then it would give cause to those who plan these acts to introspect -- of course if the so called Pakistan army had any honor, it would make it it's obsession to find out who planned this and to ensure that Pakistani agents visited them in their homes.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

The idiots are posting pictures of their own shot down helicopters....compare the camouflage.


Anyway Pakistan Army needs to be careful with what it's against in Afghanistan.

this post pretty much will sum up the whole thread

 

[Armstrong]

Thats changing.

Thanks to the internet and by interacting with Afghans, Pakistanis are finding out the true nature of Afghans. Most Pakistanis I know really don't like them.

I dunno, I remember at my office & college people were supporting the Afghan Cricket Team in a couple of matches saying 'They are a Brothers' !