Advanced JF-17 versions coming, 10 years after service entry

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Dear Chinese tech is more or less near to US one if not equal, morover they have advantage of quantity which we do not have. We have our own handicaps major one lack of resources. We can compete with India only on basis of quality.

The sane option is to go for hybrid of Chinese/Western tech at affordable level. I.e already Spanish based EW suit/or some components are in use with JF17 block-ii, similarly after development of WS13 better version we may go for it in case of JF17 block 3 meanwhile Vixen 1000 with inbuilt IRST may prove to be much better option. Similarly Western origin HMDS and HOBS may be from RSA can be considered.

One respected member gave remarks that Vixen is an older radar which is amusing for me as the little info availble on net it is evident that it is far better in range and performance from KLJ7A as it is in infancy stage. We due to our past experiences may get JV in medium term in case of Vixen radar and if chosen on large scale may get tailor made version along with other gadgets which are still underdevelopment by our Chinese friends.

Further KLJ7A may be used to upgrade our previous blocks Jets along with installation on export oriented version.

Dear Chinese tech is more or less near to US one if not equal, morover they have advantage of quantity which we do not have. We have our own handicaps major one lack of resources. We can compete with India only on basis of quality.

The sane option is to go for hybrid of Chinese/Western tech at affordable level. I.e already Spanish based EW suit/or some components are in use with JF17 block-ii, similarly after development of WS13 better version we may go for it in case of JF17 block 3 meanwhile Vixen 1000 with inbuilt IRST may prove to be much better option. Similarly Western origin HMDS and HOBS may be from RSA can be considered.

One respected member gave remarks that Vixen is an older radar which is amusing for me as the little info availble on net it is evident that it is far better in range and performance from KLJ7A as it is in infancy stage. We due to our past experiences may get JV in medium term in case of Vixen radar and if chosen on large scale may get tailor made version along with other gadgets which are still underdevelopment by our Chinese friends.

Further KLJ7A may be used to upgrade our previous blocks Jets along with installation on export oriented version.

Exactly...
My point is a few squadron of jf 17 with western avionics and hi tech features.
As you mentioned a hybrid of Chinese plus western tech.
Y not an option b?
To maintain some qualitative edge which we dont have anymore.

Some chinese, but Indigenous tech is the Ideal.

Indigenous ....well we can't produce aesa over night for block III.
But may be something for next gen (if indigenous) if the work on radars has already begun.
Either invest heavily in R&D or learn by a J.V
Meanwhile taking advantage of some proven technology is not a bad idea.
Even USSR used Rolls-Royce Nene, engines to power their mig-15

 

[mdcp]

Our production line is very slow or at least we need to double the capacity cuz we already short of air defense and also for navy requirement

 

[Basel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/831165987298897922

 

[Fawadqasim1]

klj7a is faaaaaaar better than vixen..vixen is old now,,klj7a is special ;-)

How sir can you elaborate

 

[Hamza913]

It's hard to believe it has been 10 years.

 

[Centurion2016]

if Pakistan HAS A INDENGIOUS RADAR then please share with us GUYS the rdar and specs

TO DATE I have assumed the radrs are chinease KLJ series

 

[Raider 21]

Our production line is very slow or at least we need to double the capacity cuz we already short of air defense and also for navy requirement

They should start hiring more people for engineering/maintenance and re-organise PAC...

 

[Windjammer]

Can we make radar? No, Can we make IRST? NO, Can we make avionics NO, Can we make the ENGINE NO, we make just one thing partial air-frame with the help of China
We should develop research and industrial facilities to support indigenous product which is long way to go, So stop this bullsh!t of indigenous tech

Don't blabber just because you live in oblivion, some of the stuff you mention is a decade old news.


''The launch, announced at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, outside Islamabad, is being billed as a vital move for making the country's air force "self-reliant."

To date, the bulk of avionics made in Pakistan have been manufactured as part of joint ventures with foreign companies. In the past, these have included Selex Galileo radars produced for the air force's fleet of Mirage III and F-7P Fishbed fighters.

On the occasion of the presentation and speaking at the Kamra manufacturing plant, Air Marshal Farhat Hussain Khan also presented an appraisal of JF-17 avionics program activities. These include four indigenously designed and developed avionics systems currently being developed at the Kamra Avionics and Radar Factory, Sify News reported.

Khan said the production scope "would be progressively broadened" to include the creation of a complete JF-17 avionics suite at the complex.

Neither Khan nor other Pakistani military officials elaborated on the plans.

Defense News reported, however, that "at least two of the domestically designed and produced systems include a head-up display and a weapons and mission management computer."

It said previous avionics projects had included a radar honing system for the 1960s F-104 combat aircraft; IRST pod and modifications to the GEC 956 head-up display and, most recently, the weapon aiming system for the F-7P jet in the 1990s.

Military experts assess Pakistan's move into domestic avionics production as an economically viable decision after ill-fated attempts in the past.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Don't blabber just because you live in oblivion, some of the stuff you mention is a decade old news.


''The launch, announced at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, outside Islamabad, is being billed as a vital move for making the country's air force "self-reliant."

To date, the bulk of avionics made in Pakistan have been manufactured as part of joint ventures with foreign companies. In the past, these have included Selex Galileo radars produced for the air force's fleet of Mirage III and F-7P Fishbed fighters.

On the occasion of the presentation and speaking at the Kamra manufacturing plant, Air Marshal Farhat Hussain Khan also presented an appraisal of JF-17 avionics program activities. These include four indigenously designed and developed avionics systems currently being developed at the Kamra Avionics and Radar Factory, Sify News reported.

Khan said the production scope "would be progressively broadened" to include the creation of a complete JF-17 avionics suite at the complex.

Neither Khan nor other Pakistani military officials elaborated on the plans.

Defense News reported, however, that "at least two of the domestically designed and produced systems include a head-up display and a weapons and mission management computer."

It said previous avionics projects had included a radar honing system for the 1960s F-104 combat aircraft; IRST pod and modifications to the GEC 956 head-up display and, most recently, the weapon aiming system for the F-7P jet in the 1990s.

Military experts assess Pakistan's move into domestic avionics production as an economically viable decision after ill-fated attempts in the past.

Ok sir you are right about avionics but what about indigenous radar sir and thank you very much

 

[Windjammer]

Ok sir you are right about avionics but what about indigenous radar sir and thank you very much

Rather than posting in colourful fonts and asking Mods to close this and that thread, if you spend more time in browsing the forum, you will find many answers to your queries.

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-developed-radars-exported-to-jordan.463081/

 

[Ahmad Durrani]

The JF-17 is good achievement for Pakistan but strategically it is 20 years too late. JF-17 would have been a great fighter in the 1990s. I think Pakistan should concentrate on license manufacture of J-31 and future TFX fighters in next decade.

 

[mingle]

The JF-17 is good achievement for Pakistan but strategically it is 20 years too late. JF-17 would have been a great fighter in the 1990s. I think Pakistan should concentrate on license manufacture of J-31 and future TFX fighters in next decade.

It's never late until it works for us .

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

@Tank131 @Bratva @JamD @Horus

Remember the Leonardo BriteCloud? Turkey's Aselsan has developed a very similar solution - Expendable Active Decoy (EAD). Same concept, same execution. BTW, they're also offering their own AESA-based EW/ECM suite, see here (link). Aselsan also has its own single panel displays too - IMD-1119 and IMD-820.

Just some noteworthy stuff. Fortunately for Aselsan it has the Turkish Armed Forces to anchor launch orders and guarantee scale, so exports are gains more so than a necessity (which is the case for a lot of European stuff, hence the costly pricing).

 

[Tank131]

@Tank131 @Bratva @JamD @Horus

Remember the Leonardo BriteCloud? Turkey's Aselsan has developed a very similar solution - Expendable Active Decoy (EAD). Same concept, same execution. BTW, they're also offering their own AESA-based EW/ECM suite, see here (link). Aselsan also has its own single panel displays too - IMD-1119 and IMD-820.

Just some noteworthy stuff. Fortunately for Aselsan it has the Turkish Armed Forces to anchor launch orders and guarantee scale, so exports are gains more so than a necessity (which is the case for a lot of European stuff, hence the costly pricing).

This is very interesting news. Both single panel displays as well as EAD look like very strong options for Blk 3 to consider. A JF-17 with KLJ-7A AESA Radar, EAD DRFM is a good start. Marry this to something like the EOTS-89 electro-optical targeting system (EOTS) and the EORD-31 infrared search and track (IRST) which are supposed to find their way onto the J-20 and J-31 and you will have a very advanced fighter which will rival and probably surpass everything except F-22 and F-35 in its passive detection/tracking capabilities with a strong resistance to EW and strong DRFM capabilities. Add in a stronger engine (like WS-13E which I have read has a 20,000lb thrust) and some composites for RCS reduction and you will have a very advanced 4.5Gen fighter. Perform further wing root strengthening and add 2 hardpoints on the body and you have a potent fighter. No need then for chin/pod mounted FLIR or even nose mounted IRST as both would be integrated into a chin mounted EOTS sensor system like they have done in F-35 and J-20
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/conte...cal-targeting-system-etos/mfc-f35-eots-pc.pdf

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

They might be able to free up some internal space if they swap out the hybrid flight control system with a fully-digital fly-by-wire system. Could provide some flexibility in terms of fuel and/or payload. The EAD is a dispenser/last-resort jammer, but Aselsan also has an AESA-based EW/ECM suite (see here).