Acts of Terrorism in Pakistan

[waraich66]

Excellent, logical and fair response, Mr Agnoatic.

Do you know meaning of Jehad?

It is struggle to implement shariah in world and also struggle to protect muslim society and individual from evil forces making resistance in their way to practice shariah laws ,

SWAT talaban did this struggle and suceeded , so they are not terrorist but who oppose them as per defination of Jehad are terrorist.

Now it depend on your Faith and IMAN , where you are standing with forces who are in favour of islam or against islam.

Yes you can have right to have difference in method of implementation of shariah it should be through peace full mannar but if their is any force who is opposing shariah even muslim majority wanted sharaih then WAR oR Harab or katal is valid action.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Do you know meaning of Jehad?

I know that the meaning of Jihad is not to murder in cold blood thirty innocent souls just becasue they happen to be Shia, as happened today in DI Khan.

I know the meaning of Jihad is not to mercilessly slaughter innocent civilians, behead them and string up their bodies on light posts in a city square, so often that the square earns the nickname 'butcher square'.

I know Jihad does no mean depriving innocent young children, girls especially, from the right to an education.

This is not Jihad, it is out and out terrorism and crime, and you have justified its use. People like you deserve every shred of criticism and denigration that slime like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Ali Sina spout - unfortunately, it is becasue of people like you that they get the chance to demonize and denigrate all Muslims and all of Islam as well.

 

[Flintlock]

Nice Speech Agno

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Blast on Pakistan supply line to US troops kills 1

53 minutes ago

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — An official says a roadside bomb apparently targeting an oil tanker exploded along a Pakistani supply line used by U.S.-led troops in Afghanistan.

Local government official Ameer Zada Khan says one person died and two people were wounded in the Saturday blast. Khan said the tanker was intended for use by NATO forces in Afghanistan.

The bomb was remote-controlled and exploded near Landi Kotal in the Khyber tribal region. Western forces in Afghanistan rely heavily on the Khyber Pass route that runs through the area, and militants have increasingly attacked it.

The Associated Press: Blast on Pakistan supply line to US troops kills 1

 

[ejaz007]

Unknown persons claimed killing of abducted UNHCR
Updated at: 1200 PST, Monday, February 23, 2009


QUETTA: The unknown persons claimed killing of United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) provincial head John Solecki.

According to reports, unknown persons phoned in Quetta Press Club on Monday and claimed that John has been killed and his body will be found after two hours.

However, government and independent sources could not confirm the reports of John’s killing.

John Solecki was kidnapped in Quetta on February 2.An unknown organization Baloch Liberation United Front had claimed the responsibility of kidnapping.


Unknown persons claimed killing of abducted UNHCR

 

[ejaz007]

No call made to press club about John Solecki: BLUF
Updated at: 1335 PST, Monday, February 23, 2009


QUETTA: The Balochistan Liberation United Front (BLUF) has denied the reports of making phone call to press club from them about killing of UNHCR) provincial head John Solecki. BLUF said rumors are false alarm.


No call made to press club about John Solecki: BLUF

 

[Hasnain2009]

Do you people agree to provide weapons to these non-educated peoples??

 

[RabzonKhan]

Editorial: Taliban’s unity and our disunity

February 24, 2009

Under instructions from Mullah Umar and “sheikh” Osama bin Laden, the three feuding warlords of Waziristan have announced reconciliation and merger under the rubric of Shura Ittehad Mujahideen (SIM). Heretofore, known as the divided house of the Taliban movement, the three warlords, Baitullah Mehsud, Maulvi Nazir and Hafiz Gul Bahadur issued a pamphlet on Sunday that vowed the targeting of Al Qaeda’s three enemies: “Obama, Zardari and Karzai”.

Pakistan has been trying to take advantage of the rifts in Waziristan. It backed Maulvi Nazir against Baitullah Mehsud for a time but could not maintain the tactic for long because Nazir would not give up striking across the Durand Line and attracting America’s missiles. (It should be mentioned that while he went along with this policy from Islamabad he never stopped verbally maintaining his allegiance to Al Qaeda.) On the call from the two leaders of the infiltrated jihad, the three have closed ranks and the consequences for Pakistan from this may be dire.

On the other hand, the political map in Pakistan is subject to multiple splits. TV discussions have audiences asserting the Pakistan’s future is not threatened by Al Qaeda. This opinion emanates from powerful sections of the media that say the war against terrorism is not Pakistan’s war. National politics, far more Machiavellian than the popular consensus, has followed the pattern of national alienation from state policy. After the PMLN literally declared war against the ruling PPP last week, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani is making moves to postpone the coming armageddon.

The three-way split, represented by the two Leagues — “N” and “Q” — on the one hand, and the PPP on the other, is worsening. The PMLQ, after having acquiesced in President General Pervez Musharraf’s firing of the Chief Justice of Pakistan in 2007, is now ready to join the lawyers’ movement and stage a “dharna” against the PPP. The PMLQ had placed itself in the middle as the PMLN and PPP squared off for their predictable jousting. It tried the PPP on for size and then flirted with the PMLN but, not being offered the kind of deal it wanted, is threatening to plump for the lawyers who are not exactly cooing in delight.

Unity among the main stakeholders, the PPP and the PMLN, is not possible because of their flaws at birth. Votes have been won against each other mainly by the pledge of revenge for past wrongs. But to shore up strength against each other they need to make ill-fitting alliances. The most incongruous alliance that the PPP has had to make at the centre is the one with the JUI of Maulana Fazlur Rehman. Seeing the PPP government getting into trouble with all kinds of elements, including the army, it has decided to support the Long March indirectly by calling for the restoration of Chief Justice Mr Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.

This means that the old MMA is coming together again. But under whose tutelage? Jama’at-e Islami is already with the lawyers and will most probably provide the cutting edge to the “dharna” with its most motivated cadres. Seeing the landscape change, the PMLN has moved in with clearer motivation: it first jolted the lawyers into recognising the PMLN as the power behind their movement, and then jolted a rather complaisant PPP with the prospect of a real showdown on the Lahore-Islamabad route in March. With MMA mullahs back in the fold, the PMLN then tried another splitting gambit.

It has made overtures to the MQM and the overtures have been readily accepted by Mr Altaf Hussain in London because he can never be sure how quickly the political scenario will change in Pakistan. With the ANP extremely uncomfortable dealing with policy from Islamabad, the coalition at the centre suddenly seems fragile. This is in contrast to the growing unity of response within the Taliban fold. Given this state of disunity, the peace deal in Swat will likely threaten the gains made by military operations elsewhere in the tribal areas. *

 

[RabzonKhan]

Taking on the Taliban

February 25, 2009
Zafar Hilaly

The first battle of a war is psychologically an important one. Pakistan has lost not only the first battle, that for the control of Waziristan, but also the second, for Swat. Agreements cobbled together following both battles have attempted to mask what is a patent fact: the defeat of the army at the hands of the Taliban and the passing of these areas and their inhabitants into the Taliban fold. Further setbacks are likely unless the instruments of war are forged again and a leadership emerges that has the wisdom and will to confront the challenge.

But all is not lost. As they move further east, the Taliban will meet greater resistance from the populace, especially in the cities, where they are loathed. The Wahhabi brand of Islam that the Taliban espouse has never managed to gain traction beyond the deserts of Saudi Arabia, not even among the Arab Diaspora. Had Zia-ul-Haq not embraced it Pakistan too would have been spared. In the 30-or-so million Shias of Pakistan the Taliban face a determined enemy, as they do in Punjab and Sindh and beyond where Sufi Islam predominates. Hence, the danger that the murderous and fanatical cadres of the Taliban pose is less to the creed of the masses and more to the political and economic stability of the country and the institutions of the state.

Had the Taliban been willing to participate in the political life of the country by holding public meetings and jalsas, instead of having recourse to Qurbani Chowks to convey their bloody message or to project their agenda through the media, some sort of compromise might have been possible. (Although that too is doubtful, considering that even the moderates of their ilk, like Sufi Mohammed, believe that democracy is a pernicious Western import and balloting to choose leaders un-Islamic.) Instead, the Taliban are emphatic, as their actions over the course of six years proved in Afghanistan that only their concepts of governance, law, religion, justice and politics will prevail. Happily, their determination to inflict their credo on the country is no fiercer than that of the majority of Pakistanis to resist as the Swatis proved by their brave resistance before they were sold out by the ANP, whose leader remains in hiding in Islamabad. Fortunately, the Taliban by their actions have left few people in any doubt that Pakistan will not be rid of the presence of foreign forces, be able to attract foreign investment, become a hub for regional trade, avoid isolation, ridicule and contempt, and develop, unless they are repulsed. And, likewise, their terrorist ghettos recaptured and cleansed.

The Taliban wage war much as they guard their peace through acts of terror, rape, executions and murder like some other insurgencies such as the ongoing one in Somalia and that of the erstwhile Mau Mau in Kenya. They seek to engender hate and fear amongst the populace so that the government appears helpless, unable to afford protection to the citizenry and hence undeserving of loyalty or support. Specifically targeted are those essential to the functioning of an organised political society such as the police, teachers, health workers, district officials. Having driven away or killed them they create an alternative administration to which the hapless population turn for their needs. The insurgency meanwhile continues until a weak government capitulates or sues for peace which is what happened in Swat and FATA.

How then can the Taliban be defeated?

There is no prescription for certain success. Genocide or the relocation of the entire population, a tactic used by Stalin against the Chechens eight decades ago is unthinkable, for obvious reasons. The "nation building" advocated by counterinsurgency experts is a panacea presently in vogue, but given Pakistan's dismal record of nation building in peaceful areas, to say nothing of war zones, it is a tall order. "Killing every insurgent" is also not the answer because it is normally accompanied by the excessive use of force resulting in collateral damage which generates resentment, gives rise to cries for revenge and acts as a recruiting spur for fresh Taliban inductees. What the Americans term as "legitimation"--i.e., the creation of an authority comprising persons acceptable to both sides--is a more promising idea. As the Taliban refuse to recognise any authority but their own as legitimate and regard Pakistanis as foreigners, it is a non-starter. What therefore remains is to confront the Taliban politically and militarily, and to do so with gusto, imagination and skill, in other words, to fight fiercely when necessary and negotiate purposefully when so required in the hope that eventually reason and reality will win out.

Pakistan is doing neither at present. The fighting effort thus far has at best been half-hearted; and capitulation aptly depicts the current negotiation strategy. Sentiments such as "we cannot fight our own people" are excuses and explanations rather than reasons for the lack of determination in prosecuting the war. And irresolution is responsible for the haste to sue for peace. Surrender of the Swat type will no doubt bring peace. History shows that defeat and surrender do indeed usher in peace but that of the victor not the vanquished, which Pakistan cannot afford. We would do well to remember that when the Taliban conquered Afghanistan in 1996 we too celebrated the peace that ensued. But, as Afghans will confirm, the peace that the Taliban brought was that of the grave. And it is to the grave that our dreams of a progressive, tolerant Pakistan now seem consigned with each Taliban success. The government still has the time to prove its mettle; but if it fails to do so it is more than likely that the populace will take matters into their own hands to ward off the Taliban scourge. There are signs that this dreadful prospect is already happening in at least one of our major cities. The resulting civil war could be catastrophic for Pakistan's well being.


The writer is a former ambassador

 

[S-2]

I don't where you find these very neat editorials from behind your little typewriter but keep it up there, Snoopy.

"Fortunately, the Taliban by their actions have left few people in any doubt that Pakistan will not be rid of the presence of foreign forces, be able to attract foreign investment, become a hub for regional trade, avoid isolation, ridicule and contempt, and develop, unless they are repulsed. And, likewise, their terrorist ghettos recaptured and cleansed."

This comment bothers me. Judging by this board I don't sense the determination expressed in Mr. Hilaly's comment. In fact, the taliban by their actions have succeeded in intimidating the bulk of the NWFP and FATA populations. His reference to the Mau Mau is particularly apt. The word whispered in Kenyan and Tanzanian villages fifty-five years ago, "Mau Mau" could strike panic.

So too now in Pakistani villages. I bet the militants receive immediate and undivided attention of everybody to whom they come in contact. Failure to do so could leave you dead in seconds otherwise.

 

[Luftwaffe]

S-2 Guess what I'm a Pushtun I know what you don't know and i know the facts and on ground realities that you don't know while you sit behind you little computer with 99% components made in China..N.W.F.P population is well educated sensible and not under mind control machines of Taliban of the united states..people know and differentiate who talibans are and who are not..There is absolutely no panic what so ever your words are utter nonsense and stupendously stupid in its context. Pack you bag and go down to N.W.F.P u'll know the on ground realities. By the way the panic isn't there but i seen villagers have enough ammos to take part with PAKARMY against outsiders u know who. Don't bet with Pakistanis they know more than you do behind your lil computer and don't even think of betting with me I'm a pushtun..Dead in seconds?? why is that a new Hollywood movie?

 

[S-2]

I don't think being Pashtu in Canada gives you an unusually great perspective. I've read plenty now to indicate that the taliban have done just fine scaring the bejeezus out of people.

"...and don't even think of betting with me I'm a pushtun..Dead in seconds??"

I served my nation for twelve years as an artillery officer. Your threats are the empty words of a petulant child. Please don't address me further if doing so is going to leave your brain-cell count on empty.

The best thing a guy like you can do is put actions behind your words, get an AK and march to the Afghanistan border in Bajaur. Cross through and find the Korengal valley.

There you can find out how tough your Pashtu blood is really. Sitting behind your own computer in Canada doesn't impress me. If you're truly committed, there should be no expectation of returning.

One-way ticket should work fine. Good luck and may your death be rapid and merciful.

 

[MastanKhan]

S-2 i pretty much can do that getting an AK is not difficult for me...
S-2>>I served my nation for twelve years as an artillery officer. Your threats are the empty words of a petulant child.
Mod edit:

Sir,

Your comments are totally uncalled for. Regardless what your differences are with the poster, we always wish them well and God bless them all.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Sir Masterkhan perhaps u should read his last line and then ask me why i counter replied if he meant to refer to Taliban then he should address their Tag Name next time. Yes i will absolutely counter all his statements positive ones as well as negatives ones whatever he writes behind his lil computer.. thanks anyways Masterkhan..

 

[S-2]

"Yes i will absolutely counter all his statements positive ones as well as negatives ones whatever he writes behind his lil computer..."

As I thought. No courage of your convictions. I'm a distraction. I influence nobody here thus need no counter. I don't design U.S. policy so I can't be influenced to any meaningful purpose. Stay safely tucked away up there in Canada while the real irhabi phucks tote the heavy load in Korengal. Says it all.

It takes a crisis like this to separate the wheat from the chaff...

 

[RabzonKhan]

CID report reveals Taliban presence in Karachi

By Samir Qureshi
February 28, 2009

KARACHI: A report by the CID Special Branch has revealed that Taliban are present in the city.

According to details, the special branch additional IG has sent a written report to the DIG and Sindh Government about the secret hideouts of Taliban in the city. Sources in the report have revealed that Taliban, belonging to tribal areas, were residing in Sohrab Goth and Quaidabad in the small motels in the areas. Apart from that, the Taliban were also hiding in the hills of Manghopir and Orangi town as well as in other low-income areas and slums. The report said that the Taliban has huge caches of weapons and ammunition with them and they could take the city hostage at any point. Sources have also said that the Naib Ameer of the banned Tehrik-e-Taliban, Hasan Mahmood, was also hiding in Karachi.

After the report, police and security personnel are said to be terrified, as already the MQM has said many times that the Taliban were in the city. Some time ago, on a tip off, Anti-Violent Crime Cell’s head SSP Farooq Awan, along with a police party, had raided a guesthouse in Sohrab Goth but the Taliban apprehended them instead. The Taliban were trying to execute the policemen when another police party intervened. Though the policemen managed to get away, two policemen died while Awan and 11 other policemen were seriously injured. After this operation, CID SSP Fayyaz Khan and Aslam Khan raided the location and arrested eight men who were said to be pro Taliban militants and were involved in the attack on Awan.

Meanwhile, on the directives of the Sindh government, a survey has been undertaken on the rest houses all over Karachi while police high-ups have asked for surveillance of these facilities.