Activist Jibran Nasir urges govt to arrest admins of 'Pakistan Defence'

[The Sandman]

The moral of the story is very simple in this case

1- Don't break the local laws in Pakistan which are clearly defined. Specially related to Prophet mohammad.
2- Think a million times before you break the laws

PS:
Now this Jibroni fella is saying this Bhainsa person , was a "Political Activist or thinker" well what kind of idiot would be running a anti Prophet Mohammad website inside Paksitan. What kind of activisim is this person promoting with such entities?

Now clearly , he was caught running a "Illegal" operations and network to defame Religious entities and likely guilty of the crime

Now poor Jibroni is missing his Bhainsa yar , ohhhh lord where is my budddy Bhainsa .... what a fine young man "it" was , running illegal operations

• Secularism does not mean you start to abuse religious figures that you may or may not believe in

Were they involved in any Anti-Pak activity too? are there any FB posts or tweets of theirs which indicate this?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Clearly they have have some connection to some entities which caused the Secret Services to take a closer look at their operations (if they were indeed picked up by Secret services)

In the video above, the guy's first cousin openly questions , the motive of his cousin now in custody. He criticizes his cousin's actions , of running abusive websites which defamed religious figures (Prophet Mohammad etc) . Since it is against the law in Pakistan. It is a rightful case of action against such a person on legal grounds provided the crime was committed on Pakistani Soil.

• It is one thing to debate about Mullah's obsession with power vs running anti Religion websites and targeting religious figures

 

[Zarvan]

Were they involved in any Anti-Pak activity too? are there any FB posts or tweets of theirs which indicate this?

They also used to support groups like BLA

 

[Khafee]

Just because someone starts screaming "arrest this guy, arrest that guy", the govt is not going to do it, without substantial evidence.

So guys give it a rest.

 

[The Sandman]

They also used to support groups like BLA

Does anyone have any link to those tweets or fb posts? that's really gonna help us in shutting a lot mouths.

 

[Devil Soul]

Rest assured i am 100% sure that this appeal will land in bin... freedom of speech must be guaranteed, but not at the cost of truth..... People involved in AntiPak activities must face the music, but not my involving & preaching violence.... Blaming PDF for each & every post on FB is idiotic....

 

[Zibago]

Were they involved in any Anti-Pak activity too? are there any FB posts or tweets of theirs which indicate this?

Yes bhensa,s admin frequently posted anti pak posts i got banned on their page

 

[The Sandman]

Yes bhensa,s admin frequently posted anti pak posts i got banned on their page

I really hope those who picked them up show those posts to media so people supporting them will shut up.

 

[WAJsal]

We shouldn't worry about this...

Dated - 10 January 2017

In regards to this story published today by the Express Tribune tabloid which is a subsidiary of the Express Media group regarding a social media post made by Pakistan Defence yesterday, we'd like to answer the sheer misleading nature of the this particular mass media report.

Pakistan Defence is a proud and open community which welcomes all sections of the society without any discrimination of race, religious beliefs, color or political affiliations for more than a decade for conducting free and open discussions on a range of different issues ranging from sociopolitical issues to the matters regarding defense sciences. We take pride in our egalitarian principles and for being the bulwark of free speech on the Pakistani Internet. We believe that the self styled champions of free speech should not attempt to suppress difference of opinion.

We believe that all dimensions of a given issue must be discussed and nothing should be brushed under the carpet, therefore we posted the side of an argument which was deliberately being suppressed to make way for a singular argument to be sold to the public as a fact which violates the principles of net neutrality.

The ridiculous allegations of incitement of violence published in the story of the Express Tribune against Pakistan Defence is a figment of their imagination and based on a single tweet of a single individual hence based on the personal opinion of an individual rather than facts. Such accusations are therefore strongly rejected. Pakistan Defence operates on the free Internet abiding by all the laws of the land and takes great liberty in creating the diversity of argument, while Mr Jibran Nasir is within his free speech rights to lay albeit baseless accusations, Pakistan Defence also reserves all due rights to politely reject those allegations due to their misleading nature as well as to take appropriate legal measures if required.

We thank all of our friends and fans for their support. Thank you.

Disclaimer - This statement is subject to copyrights and therefore cannot be reproduced in the media without appropriate permission. ©

 

[haviZsultan]

Clearly all this attention is good for PDF. Might bring new blood into the site. Let the losers complain. It only amounts to global recognition and attention for our site.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Section 24: No warrant, arrest, search, seizure or other power not provided for in the Act:

(1) No person whether a police officer, investigation officer or otherwise, other than an investigating officer of the special investigation agency shall investigate an offence under this Act:

Provided that the Federal Government or the Provincial Government may, as the case may be, constitute joint investigation team comprising of the officers of special investigation agency and any other law enforcement agency including Police for investigation of events involving commission of offences under this Act and any other law for the time being in force.

(2) No person other than a prosecutor designated as such by the special investigating agency shall prosecute any offence under this Act.


Loop-hole

Bro, there is absolutely nothing in the above quoted section (or any other section) of the Cyber Crime Bill that "completely legalizes" enforced disappearances .... Not even a loop hole ...

While The Cyber Crime Bill does threaten rights of privacy and freedom of expression, and it has provisions that allow the government to censor online content and to criminalize Internet user activity under extremely broad criteria which could be susceptible to abusive interpretation that could be used to purge virtually anything the government doesn't like, It does NOT legalize/encourage "Enforced Disappearances" in any way.... The Bill grants an “authorized officer” the unilateral and unchecked power to order the provision of data or the preservation of data whenever the officer believes it is “reasonably required for the purposes of a criminal investigation” ... but he is required to notify a court of such requests. There is nothing in this Bill that allows/encourages LEA officials to act arbitrarily, or that makes them above the Law.

Sorry under new law agencies can pick people without telling the reason

No, they can't .. The Supreme Court of Pakistan has already declared that Enforced Disappearances are a violation of the Constitution of Pakistan ...

We shouldn't worry about this...

Of course you should not ... Nothing serious

But don't you think that You guys should behave responsibly and maturely when you have millions of followers on fb ? Especially when many of those followers believe that this page is actually run/supported by PA itself

 

[Zarvan]

Bro, there is absolutely nothing in the above quoted section (or any other section) of the Cyber Crime Bill that "completely legalizes" enforced disappearances .... Not even a loop hole ...

While The Cyber Crime Bill does threaten rights of privacy and freedom of expression, and it has provisions that allow the government to censor online content and to criminalize Internet user activity under extremely broad criteria which could be susceptible to abusive interpretation that could be used to purge virtually anything the government doesn't like, It does NOT legalize/encourage "Enforced Disappearances" in any way.... The Bill grants an “authorized officer” the unilateral and unchecked power to order the provision of data or the preservation of data whenever the officer believes it is “reasonably required for the purposes of a criminal investigation” ... but he is required to notify a court of such requests. There is nothing in this Bill that allows/encourages LEA officials to act arbitrarily, or that makes them above the Law.



No, they can't .. The Supreme Court of Pakistan has already declared that Enforced Disappearances are a violation of the Constitution of Pakistan ...



Of course you should not ... Nothing serious

But don't you think that You guys should behave responsibly and maturely when you have millions of followers on fb ? Especially when many of those followers believe that this page is actually run/supported by PA itself

Under protection of Pakistan act they can

 

[M. Sarmad]

Under protection of Pakistan act they can

No they can't...... Even PPA, while it does allow LEA officials to arrest people without warrant even on the basis of "suspicion"and gives them ubiquitous powers (and also immunity), does NOT (and can not) "legalize" enforced disappearances ...

Specifically, no law, rule, ordinance or regulation in Pakistan can be contradictory, directly or indirectly, to any clause of the Constitution of Pakistan. Article 8 of the Constitution codifies that any law (custom or usage having the force of law) inconsistent with the fundamental rights granted in the Constitution shall be void.

 

[Zibago]

Bro, there is absolutely nothing in the above quoted section (or any other section) of the Cyber Crime Bill that "completely legalizes" enforced disappearances .... Not even a loop hole ...

While The Cyber Crime Bill does threaten rights of privacy and freedom of expression, and it has provisions that allow the government to censor online content and to criminalize Internet user activity under extremely broad criteria which could be susceptible to abusive interpretation that could be used to purge virtually anything the government doesn't like, It does NOT legalize/encourage "Enforced Disappearances" in any way.... The Bill grants an “authorized officer” the unilateral and unchecked power to order the provision of data or the preservation of data whenever the officer believes it is “reasonably required for the purposes of a criminal investigation” ... but he is required to notify a court of such requests. There is nothing in this Bill that allows/encourages LEA officials to act arbitrarily, or that makes them above the Law.



No, they can't .. The Supreme Court of Pakistan has already declared that Enforced Disappearances are a violation of the Constitution of Pakistan ...



Of course you should not ... Nothing serious

But don't you think that You guys should behave responsibly and maturely when you have millions of followers on fb ? Especially when many of those followers believe that this page is actually run/supported by PA itself

But this loophole that Investigation officers can take themaway under certain circumstances does enable lea,s to takeaway suspects for further quesioning

 

[M. Sarmad]

But this loophole that Investigation officers can take themaway under certain circumstances does enable lea,s to takeaway suspects for further quesioning

It allows investigation officers to "order" provision of data (after notifying a court), but it does not allow them to make the accused "disappear"