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[ranjeet]

???
Are we not neutral already?

Yes it true for those who reside in Kashmir, but not for those who were forced to leave kashmir. My kashmiri friends(largely KP's) 've all become hard core hindutvawadis, their discontent for the other religion is very visible(my communication to 'em is not limited to Fb statuses and whatsapp msgs). I can't blame 'em, they 've suffered at the hands of ppl who think Kashmir belongs to a particular sect.

No, not to Pakistani point of view, we are not. And that's what matters here on PDF.

 

[Levina]

No, not to Pakistani point of view, we are not. And that's what matters here on PDF.

Those who think that way, that India is not neutral, have confirmation bias. And can we blame 'em? Their views 're manipulated by their leaders and others who do it for their selfish reasons.
But I do have some very liberal Pakistani friends( including on this forum and I'm not naming 'em, or they would earn the ire of others here).
(Kinni baar batau that sarcasm whooshes over my head, I'm not so smart).

 

[qamar1990]

Well the horror stories 're those which were a direct result of cross border of terrorism. And then there 're stories of uncomfort caused by the presence of so many soldiers in the valley.
But Qamar, you've restricted yourself to confirmation bias, you see what you want to see. I would suggest a friend to look at Kashmir from a neutral point of view. Then you 'll see how thousands of kashmiri pandits, Buddhists and sikhs were selectively killed in the valley because they did not belong to a certain religion. You will see the larger picture!
I 've never denied that the presence of army in valley (in such large numbers) has its cons, but unfortunately that's the only way forward. The Kashmiris (residing in kashmir) 're paying for not standing up against extremists who manipulated the psyche of young Kashmiris back in the 90's. Kashmir was a prosperous state till late 80's (I can verify it if you want, but am sure you 're not ready to see that kashmir had a past sans terrorism). Talk to a generation which lived in the 80's and then you'll understand how Kashmir became a hell (that it is today).

they aren't paying for not standing up to the militants but they are paying for standing up to the tyrant indian army thats all... thats what you fail to see

 

[Levina]

they aren't paying for not standing up to the militants but they are paying for standing up to the tyrant indian army thats all... thats what you fail to see

Qamar you're forcing me to accept your version, while refusing to believe everything that I've told you. Do you think I am lying?
Fine!!!!!
So let me prove it to you how wrong you're in assuming that India has forcefully occupied Kashmir.
1) Why do you think BJP won in the valley this time?? Mufti managed just 3 more seats than BJP. Let me remind you that BJP didn't have any star leaders to boost of in the valley.
2) You've also ignored Sajjad's(the separatist!) statement.

 

[qamar1990]

Qamar you're forcing me to accept your version, while refusing to believe everything that I've told you. Do you think I am lying?
Fine!!!!!
So let me prove it to you how wrong you're in assuming that India has forcefully occupied Kashmir.
1) Why do you think BJP won in the valley this time?? Mufti managed just 3 more seats than BJP. Let me remind you that BJP didn't have any star leaders to boost of in the valley.
2) You've also ignored Sajjad's(the separatist!) statement.

 

[maniac@666]

???
Are we not neutral already?

Yes it true for those who reside in Kashmir(their attitude has changed with time as they realised that their shoulders were being used to fire somebody else's gun), but not for those who were forced to leave kashmir. My kashmiri friends(largely KP's) 've all become hard core hindutvawadis(which is worrying!), their discontent for the other religion is very visible(my communication to 'em is limited to Fb statuses and whatsapp msgs). I can't blame 'em, they 've suffered at the hands of ppl who think Kashmir belongs to a particular sect.

yup,upto 80's there was no problem,kashmir was jannat after that everything changed.I can only hear cry's in utter despair of kashmiri pundit's only,if and only indira ghandhi had foreseen it only.with 93000 pow we could have negotiated whole kashmir if we wanted and that at time of soviet union,which was a super power and friend and close ally of india,usa couldn't have yielded more stick,yet we surrendered to their demands.it was a blunder mistake,history doesn't repeat itself,so much for pride and glory.

 

[ManavKalia]

???
Are we not neutral already?

Yes it true for those who reside in Kashmir(their attitude has changed with time as they realised that their shoulders were being used to fire somebody else's gun), but not for those who were forced to leave kashmir. My kashmiri friends(largely KP's) 've all become hard core hindutvawadis(which is worrying!), their discontent for the other religion is very visible(my communication to 'em is limited to Fb statuses and whatsapp msgs). I can't blame 'em, they 've suffered at the hands of ppl who think Kashmir belongs to a particular sect.

I don't blame them for that.. My best friend in college was a KashmirI pundit, he didn't turn into Hindutvawadi or anything, neither his friends or family.. But he and his family were very bitter about valley Muslims, and more patriotic than rest of us Indians, to the point that he would get into fiercer arguments with my ex gf than even me..

Displacement does instill bitterness, in the displaced, my grandparents were displaced from Lahore during partition and moved to Delhi as refugees, so having seen their bitterness, I can relate to that. But the bitterness level does abate with each subsequent generation like my parents and me.

Due to Kashmir's complexities, it had to be neglected by Indian government, versus other states, which bred discontent among the populace, on top they were fooled by both their elected leaders as well as their popular leaders.. Elected leaders being funded by Indian army secret service since independence as on record recently to further India's interests.. The popular or separatist leaders being funded by ISI to sow discord.. No leader working in their actual interests.. All making a plethora of promises which they never intended to keep..They got influenced to the extent of supporting the insurgency initially, and forgot a bit selfishly that the valley isn't the complete Kashmir, Jammu division and ladakh never identified with the valley Muslims culturally or politically.. In such confusion which exists till today, whatever hardships Kashmir has undergone was inevitable.

People in the valley, and the rest of India, get swayed by rhetoric and media, and take hardline positions, while no one realises than no one is Scot free of blame, not the Indian government, neither Pakistan, nor the Kashmiri people themselves.

 

[Levina]

@qamar1990
what did you post??

 

[indianBong]

It isn't your parental territory, Kashmir belongs to Kahsmiris.


Fake referendum,
If 70 % came for vote other 30% will came for Commando training,
Keep modernizing your troops actually we don't believe in weapons.
Hum Pakistani hain Pakistan Hamara hai Syed Ali Shah Gilani - YouTube | Tune.pk
Hizb ul mujahideen kay jawan - Urdu Taranay - Ugerwadi | Tune.pk
Enjoy these videos and face Gillani stone pelters.

Kudos bro....... your grandson will say the same on PDF 67yrs later... and we indians will be enjoying dal lake view still....

 

[ManavKalia]

yup,upto 80's there was no problem,kashmir was jannat after that everything changed.I can only hear cry's in utter despair of kashmiri pundit's only,if and only indira ghandhi had foreseen it only.with 93000 pow we could have negotiated whole kashmir if we wanted and that at time of soviet union,which was a super power and friend and close ally of india,usa couldn't have yielded more stick,yet we surrendered to their demands.it was a blunder mistake,history doesn't repeat itself,so much for pride and glory.

Actually Indira was a very shrewd politician. The most shrewd politician by far in Indian history. While not being an Indira fan by any means, I call a spade a spade. Being the worst offender of democracy by instituting emergency, she got herself reinstated to office within a couple of years. She has an amazing grasp of the pulse of people, as well as a very deep understanding of world affairs, unlike her father and son.

In 1971, she rectified her father's blunder of involving the U.N.and making Kashmir an international affair, by signing the Simla accord, and repositioning Kashmir legally as a bilateral issue.

Furthermore, she kept parts of Kashmir of strategic value with India, like the entire Kargil district, which was initially only partially with India prior to 1971, thus maintaining the generalized illusion that the LoC remained unchanged.

She understood that if she had taken over entire Kashmir, then today India would be facing 3 separate Kashmir valley's in AJK and GB, instead of the one it has to face today. And all for no real gain, as GB has inhospitable and inaccessible terrain and populace, as well as AJK's proximity to Pakistan. Indian army would have been stretched thin to cover AJK and GB along with Kashmir valley.

Pakistan would still have incited the Kashmiri populace against KashmirI pundit's. So Indira's taking a different decision back then wouldn't have improved the situation for the valley pundit's.

 

[indianBong]

If there's anything voluntary in Pakistani Kashmir then why is Pakistani Kashmir categorized as "not free" versus Indian Kashmir categorized as "partly free" in world freedom rankings?

List of freedom indices - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please read word by word..

U really think you can reason with a brainwashed terrorist symapthiser who "thinks" GB/Azad Kashmir etc LOVES pak and hates India.... kudos to that person who brainwashes them..

 

[Parul]

We don't want it; kashmiri freedom fighters want it.
It isn't your parental territory, Kashmir belongs to Kahsmiris.
.

Kashmir is neither your's Parental Property. Neither Kashmiri fighter's get an inch of Indian Administrated Kashmir.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Kudos bro....... your grandson will say the same on PDF 67yrs later... and we indians will be enjoying dal lake view still....

My grandfather (With his companions) liberated 13,297 bloody km² of Kahsmir in 1947.
Azad Kashmir Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
lol.

Kashmir is neither your's Parental Property. Neither Kashmiri fighter's get an inch of Indian Administrated Kashmir.

It is my parental property.
I can claim it any time.

LOL, free but disputed, then why is Indian Kashmir "partly free" and Pakistani Kashmir "not free" , means Pakistani Kashmir is more disputed than Indian Kashmir?




Btw for your information:


Kashmir conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In 2010, Jammu and Kashmir was removed from the United Nations list of unresolved disputes, in a setback to Pakistan which has been asking the world body to intervene on the issue.[214][215]





Please read word by word, and carefully this time..

No one thinks Kashmir is disputed apart from Pakistani's. Not Indians, nor anyone in the world. And this is 5 year old news.. Please update your knowledge after this at least..

LOL. It is disputed because of Indian occupation in major part of jammu valley and Poonch rajori.

 

[Parul]

It is my parental property.
I can claim it any time.

Who holds the stick owns the OX!

You can claim it till eternity.

 

[indianBong]

My grandfather (With his companions) liberated 13,297 bloody km² of Kahsmir in 1947.
Azad Kashmir Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
lol.


It is my parental property.
I can claim it any time.

and my grandfather with his comrades liberated 147,570 km2 of bengali land in 1971......
Mukti Bahini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
lol