Abe praised Class-A war criminals for being 'foundation' of Japan's prosperity

[Grand Historian]

These were minority cases conducted by the Imperial Army. They , of course, do not represent the entirety of the Imperial Army, or the overall Imperial Armed Forces.

Japanese acts of brutality were hardly isolated,the Imperial Army had no justification to invade China and subdue her people.

 

[Aepsilons]

I would also like to emphasize that the message Abe presented was not glorification of the soldiers, but was giving and showing austere remembrance. The OP is insinuating that there is glorification. There is a difference between Glorification of the War Atrocities from remembering the souls who had served and died for Japan. There is a profound difference here.

 

[Grand Historian]

Given, there were acts of brutality committed by Japanese soldiers during the course of the war, but the catalyst of such were due to desperation and the intensity of warfare.

Stop making excuses for your beloved Emperor worshiping degenerates,this is the attitude that will prevent the Chinese from forgiving the Japanese.

I would also like to emphasize that the message Abe presented was not glorification of the soldiers, but was giving and showing austere remembrance. The OP is insinuating that there is glorification. There is a difference between Glorification of the War Atrocities from remembering the souls who had served and died for Japan. There is a profound difference here.

Do the Germans claim that the Nazis died for Germany or white wash their crimes?

 

[xunzi]

If we follow our Japanese friend logic and their ally logic which is to forgive and forget the crime because today Japan is not the same as Imperial Japan. This is ultimately make the crime today acceptable as long as our descendant become peaceful in the future.

 

[Aepsilons]

Do the Germans claim that the Nazis died for Germany or white wash their crimes?

The Nazis were responsible for the near extermination of the European Jewish population. In Poland alone, they practically wiped out the Polish Jewish population, which once was 30% of the population. Hitler and Himmler's policy to genocide an entire religious group is in its own right disgusting and deplorable. This does not include the genocide of the Gypsy population as well.

There was no such policy committed by the Empire of Japan. Nor was that kind of deep religious hatred existed amongst Japanese at the time or even during this time. The empowerment of the anti-semitism in Germany was due to the culture of scapegoating of the Jews by many Europeans nationalities. European history is testament to such , i may remind the examples of Jewish pogroms conducted in Russia, in Prussia. Or even cite the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity during the Spanish Inquisition et al. There was no such phenomena like this in Japan or in the Japanese Empire.

Japan's decision to expand in Asia was purely political vis-a-vis the military government.

 

[xunzi]

There is no comparison. The Nazi Wermacht made it a policy to liquidate an entire people in the Final Solution. And the attitude of many Europeans at the time , particularly through scapegoating, had allowed the growth of Anti-Semitism to occur in Europe. Which is deplorable.

Throughout Japan's persecution of the War, the Government did not enact policies calling for the extermination of any religious group of people, nationality, or the like. Given, there were acts of brutality committed by Japanese soldiers during the course of the war, but the catalyst of such were due to desperation and the intensity of warfare. World War II in the Pacific, in its essence, was an example of Total War.

Your policy to exterminate aboriginal, especially in Southeast Asia and Taiwan, is not something you should glorify about, my Nihon friend. Have some respect for those death. Unit 731 is notorious crime, yet the US let you free on that. You should be thankful that you got an easy way out compare to Germany.

 

[Kyle Sun]

Crazy bastard!

 

[Aepsilons]

Your policy to exterminate aboriginal, especially in Southeast Asia and Taiwan, is not something you should glorify about, my Nihon friend. Have some respect for those death. Unit 731 is notorious crime, yet the US let you free on that. You should be thankful that you got an easy way out compare to Germany.

The Seediq tribe in Taiwan were examples of tribals who did not integrate into Taihoku society, and were conducting murderous raids on Japanese patrols as well as the Taiwanese civilians. The taming of the tribes was necessary in order for development , and colonization of the entire island. Prior to Japanese possession of Taiwan, the Han settlements in Taihoku were merely limited to the coastal region, as many Han that tried to go into the interior were killed and beheaded by Seediq tribes in Taiwan. It was only after the Imperial Army subdued these tribes and cleared any barriers to development did we see Taiwanese settle land and territory in the interior of the island. Please also read your history because the Imperial Army did not enact a policy to wipe out the aborigines, but only conducted military operations to subdue tribes who were attacking civilians. In fact, many Taiwanese aborigines actually sided with the Imperial Army , such as the Mikata-Ban Tribe. Many of the Mikata-Ban tribals were employed by the Imperial Army to battle forces of Mona Rudao, the leader of the Seediqs. In the end, the ones who were able to benefit from this operation was the Han Taiwanese population in Taiwan, which the Japanese Colonial Government encouraged to settle the interior of the island.

 

[JSCh]

There is no comparison. The Nazi Wermacht made it a policy to liquidate an entire people in the Final Solution. And the attitude of many Europeans at the time , particularly through scapegoating, had allowed the growth of Anti-Semitism to occur in Europe. Which is deplorable.

Throughout Japan's persecution of the War, the Government did not enact policies calling for the extermination of any religious group of people, nationality, or the like. Given, there were acts of brutality committed by Japanese soldiers during the course of the war, but the catalyst of such were due to desperation and the intensity of warfare. World War II in the Pacific, in its essence, was an example of Total War.

The NAZI German do know that they should hide what they were doing during the war. Therefore you cannot find explicit policy. But action speak louder than word and the holocaust is undeniable.

War crime is war crime, and your attempt at whitewashing Japanese war crime is sickening.

 

[Aepsilons]

The NAZI German do know that they should hide what they were doing during the war. Therefore you cannot find explicit policy. But action speak louder than word and the holocaust is undeniable.

War crime is war crime, and your attempt at whitewashing Japanese war crime is sickening.

No one is white washing anything. The Japanese Government has, through plenty of occasions through many representatives, conveyed its sincere apologies regarding war atrocities. I think there comes a point in time when continual apology must stop. Japan does not contest the actions conducted in the war. We are also a nation that values the sacrifices of our soldiers , who died in the defense of Japan. What we deem as sincere remembrance and gratefulness for their supreme sacrifice, some would deem as "glorification".

Atrocities were committed in both sides of the war. Why, even before the Imperial Army decided to invade China, the Chinese National Forces of Jiang Jieshi were already decimating and genociding those who were deemed 'communists'. From 1928 to 1936, an estimated 2+ million Chinese died from the civil war; and another some 6-7 million died due to the civil war the erupted again in 1945-1949. In 1930, the Central Plains War in China saw one of the worst carnage committed by KMT forces on Chinese peasants. The crimes committed were far more brutal than what the Imperial Japanese Army committed in Nanjing.

One has to be comprehensive in the analysis of the entire situation.

 

[Cossack25A1]

The Nazis were responsible for the near extermination of the European Jewish population. In Poland alone, they practically wiped out the Polish Jewish population, which once was 30% of the population. Hitler and Himmler's policy to genocide an entire religious group is in its own right disgusting and deplorable. This does not include the genocide of the Gypsy population as well.

There was no such policy committed by the Empire of Japan. Nor was that kind of deep religious hatred existed amongst Japanese at the time or even during this time. The empowerment of the anti-semitism in Germany was due to the culture of scapegoating of the Jews by many Europeans nationalities. European history is testament to such , i may remind the examples of Jewish pogroms conducted in Russia, in Prussia. Or even cite the forced conversion of Jews to Christianity during the Spanish Inquisition et al. There was no such phenomena like this in Japan or in the Japanese Empire.

Japan's decision to expand in Asia was purely political vis-a-vis the military government.

Sad to say, trying to explain to the Chinese members (and possibly to some American members) about this issue will be quite futile as they are already fixed with their beliefs - well this is true for Chinese but for some Americans would likely bring up Pearl Harbor all over again.

 

[JSCh]

I would also like to emphasize that the message Abe presented was not glorification of the soldiers, but was giving and showing austere remembrance. The OP is insinuating that there is glorification. There is a difference between Glorification of the War Atrocities from remembering the souls who had served and died for Japan. There is a profound difference here.

I do not think Abe is agreeing with you.

This is what he said,
"I would like to sincerely express my feelings of remembrance to the spirit of the Showa Era martyrs who staked their souls to become the foundation of their nation so that Japan could achieve the peace and prosperity of today."

There is no comparison. The Nazi Wermacht made it a policy to liquidate an entire people in the Final Solution.

These were minority cases conducted by the Imperial Army. They , of course, do not represent the entirety of the Imperial Army, or the overall Imperial Armed Forces.

You guys have excuse after excuse for the inhuman brutality that you have done to Chinese, Korean, and the South East Asian.
The NAZI is worst than us!! These are minority cases!! Just remembrance not glorifying!!
Do you listen to what you are saying.
The Japanese did horrible, inhuman things in WWII that would fill volume of books.
Do you think people in the world is stupid or something?

 

[northeast]

The ones who glorifying those war criminals who killed millions of innocent chinese is the enemy of chinese and all people who love peace.Isn't this obvious？for those china haters，we don't give a fack about what you are thinking about，haters gonna hate.

 

[JSCh]

No one is white washing anything.

You expect the world to believe that?

 

[Aepsilons]

I do not think Abe is agreeing with you.

This is what he said,
"I would like to sincerely express my feelings of remembrance to the spirit of the Showa Era martyrs who staked their souls to become the foundation of their nation so that Japan could achieve the peace and prosperity of today."



You guys have excuse after excuse for the inhuman brutality that you have done to Chinese, Korean, and the South East Asian.
The NAZI is worst than us!! These are minority cases!! Just remembrance not glorifying!!
Do you listen to what you are saying.
The Japanese did horrible, inhuman things in WWII that would fill volume of books.
Do you think people in the world is stupid or something?

You know my position in this, I have already posted my views. No need to repeat like a broken record.