A view from Pakistan: ISIS and the U.S. look the same to me

[VCheng]

And whats the research and analysis wing of media doing?

They out cold?

Shouldnt they be criticizing whats happening in the name of Islam (if they have done their research that is)

And why wasnt the news of various scholars and independent clerics saying ISIS is nothing to do with ISLAM not being broadcast over and over like it was for ISIS beheading people or BOKO HARAM with the girls?

The media are indeed covering all aspects of the events as they unfold, quite fairly.

 

[Dubious]

The media are indeed covering all aspects of the events as they unfold, quite fairly.

living in denial is not a very healthy way of living....And of course inability to call a wrong a wrong makes one no different than the one they are calling against!

 

[VCheng]

living in denial is not a very healthy way of living....And of course inability to call a wrong a wrong makes one no different than the one they are calling against!

The ones living in denial are mostly Muslims. That much is pretty clear.

 

[Dubious]

The ones living in denial are mostly Muslims. That much is pretty clear.

Easier to point fingers isnt it?

 

[VCheng]

Easier to point fingers isnt it?

No, the facts point to the culprits quite clearly. The mayhem within Muslim countries is being caused by an extremist fringe raised from within, and the majority finds itself ineffective in stopping them, either by choice or by intimidation.

 

[Dubious]

the facts

I am yet to see these which you hallucinate about yet never show...

The mayhem within Muslim countries is being caused by an extremist fringe raised from within, and the majority finds itself ineffective in stopping them, either by choice or by intimidation.

There are shit people in every society...Some prefer to label them as psycho and give them "special treatment" ..

Every other heinous criminal in USA has the support of the appeal to be not right in the head...though they may be very much alright....

If Muslim countries did the same...we would be declaring this small minority as psychos rather than "extremists"

 

[VCheng]

I am yet to see these which you hallucinate about yet never show...



There are shit people in every society...Some prefer to label them as psycho and give them "special treatment" ..

Every other heinous criminal in USA has the support of the appeal to be not right in the head...though they may be very much alright....

If Muslim countries did the same...we would be declaring this small minority as psychos rather than "extremists"

Three factors are important to note: that these extremists have arisen from within these societies themselves, that the majority appears to be ineffective in countering them, and that these societies seek to blame others to divert attention at their own massive failings.

 

[Dubious]

Three factors are important to note: that these extremists have arisen from within these societies themselves, that the majority appears to be ineffective in countering them, and that these societies seek to blame others to divert attention at their own massive failings.

1) Extremists have arisen from EVERY society on the planet...WHY single out Muslims?
2) Majority are busy minding their own business or feeding their stomach in the ever growing inflation and of course not to mention the ever growing sanctions on most of the MUSLIM countries...instability doesnt yield something great
3) Societies have something to blame and hence can blame and even prove it...Had sanctions not been thrown, had people like America not (in the name of national interest) not begged for help and fun Mujahidins, Saddam, Ghaddafi, Mubarak Assad and the endless list of crap done on the planet ....(I dont even want to go into Africa)...society wouldnt have anything to blame!

 

[VCheng]

1) Extremists have arisen from EVERY society on the planet...WHY single out Muslims?
2) Majority are busy minding their own business or feeding their stomach in the ever growing inflation and of course not to mention the ever growing sanctions on most of the MUSLIM countries...instability doesnt yield something great
3) Societies have something to blame and hence can blame and even prove it...Had sanctions not been thrown, had people like America not (in the name of national interest) not begged for help and fun Mujahidins, Saddam, Ghaddafi, Mubarak Assad and the endless list of crap done on the planet ....(I dont even want to go into Africa)...society wouldnt have anything to blame!

1. Nobody is singling out Muslims, it is just that in the world today, right now, it is the Muslim extremists causing the most mayhem.

2. "Minding their own business" is just another way to ignore the evil to let it flourish, making them complicit, unless the majority makes fighting them their business too.

3. And then blaming sanctions or their own dictators as the fault of the West is Muslim Denial 101. Yet again.

 

[airmarshal]

We talk about Muslim countries in chaos and relate Islam with extremism but no one says how Islam is being used for power politics, to promote a certain ideology by Muslims as well as non-Muslim.

Just look at Pakistan. Where was extremism before 1979? Once we let Saudi money in and let their version of Islam, we have a big problem. Saudis use Islam and their high position for being custodian of holiest sites of Islam to influence other countries. Many other Arab countries too use Islam and their finances to influence geo politics. Recent example being Qatar using its money to fund FSA and ISIS.

The problem is not Islam. the problem is Muslims.

 

[VCheng]

We talk about Muslim countries in chaos and relate Islam with extremism but no one says how Islam is being used for power politics, to promote a certain ideology by Muslims as well as non-Muslim.

Just look at Pakistan. Where was extremism before 1979? Once we let Saudi money in and let their version of Islam, we have a big problem. Saudis use Islam and their high position for being custodian of holiest sites of Islam to influence other countries. Many other Arab countries too use Islam and their finances to influence geo politics. Recent example being Qatar using its money to fund FSA and ISIS.

The problem is not Islam. the problem is Muslims.

Please do keep in mind that Islam is only what Muslims do to make it so.

 

[airmarshal]

Please do keep in mind that Islam is only what Muslims do to make it so.

Islam is independent of Muslim. Islam is a message for the universe.

Whoever adopts Islamic laws becomes successful. Islam in practice in western countries. Thats why they are so powerful and self reliant even though they are not Muslims.

The biggest principle of Islam is justice and equality. All western societies implemented this and they are successful. As money begins to influence policies, and justice takes a back seat, you will notice some notable western countries are gradually falling behind.

 

[VCheng]

Islam is independent of Muslim. Islam is a message for the universe.

Whoever adopts Islamic laws becomes successful. Islam in practice in western countries. Thats why they are so powerful and self reliant even though they are not Muslims.

The biggest principle of Islam is justice and equality. All western societies implemented this and they are successful. As money begins to influence policies, and justice takes a back seat, you will notice some notable western countries are gradually falling behind.

Islamic values may be universal, but what Muslims actually do is what makes Islam what it is for the world to see.

 

[Dubious]

1. Nobody is singling out Muslims, it is just that in the world today, right now, it is the Muslim extremists causing the most mayhem.

And that is not called singling out?

2. "Minding their own business" is just another way to ignore the evil to let it flourish, making them complicit, unless the majority makes fighting them their business too.

Isnt it the common practice everywhere? Plz dont deny it sure is a common practice here in Europe...The ONLY time one does voice out is if they get cuts in welfare or anything to do with themselves...otherwise its minding their own business even if the neighbour's house burns down!

3. And then blaming sanctions or their own dictators as the fault of the West is Muslim Denial 101. Yet again.

Fact is fact...You may call it denial but it still remains a fact that caused a series of chain reactions...Karma is a bitch!

Islamic values may be universal, but what Muslims actually do is what makes Islam what it is for the world to see.

Now that is the fault of those who wish to see it that way...its like if a doctor illegally sells organs we should blame the medicine field for all illegal acts!

Islam is independent of Muslim. Islam is a message for the universe.

Best reply which the common man fails to see!

 

[VCheng]

And that is not called singling out?



Isnt it the common practice everywhere? Plz dont deny it sure is a common practice here in Europe...The ONLY time one does voice out is if they get cuts in welfare or anything to do with themselves...otherwise its minding their own business even if the neighbour's house burns down!



Fact is fact...You may call it denial but it still remains a fact that caused a series of chain reactions...Karma is a bitch!


Now that is the fault of those who wish to see it that way...its like if a doctor illegally sells organs we should blame the medicine field for all illegal acts!

Again, typical juvenile diversions:

No, this is not singling out. Muslim extremists are singularly the main cause of mayhem these days, and calling them out is calling a spade a spade.

What has the lack of protests in Europe over welfare or other issues to do with the complicit silence of the Muslim majority over atrocities committed in their name?

And lastly, the chains that are being constructed to blame others for their own faults are weak and contrived, and just more proof, as if any is needed, of living in denial. Or should it be called dying in denial?