A taste for the Finer things

[muse]

Thousands of innocent children, mostly boys (because the real Muslims respect Women, you see) are raped in Deeni madaris all over Pakistan - God loving and God fearing parents trust Ulema with the their children, and their trust is repaid as only the ulema know how to repay it:





Child rape: Three-year-old assaulted by madrassa teacher
By Manzoor Ali
Published: May 22, 2011

The accused has been arrested after medical reports confirmed rape.
PESHAWAR:

The police have arrested a madrassa teacher on charges of sexual assaulting a three-year-old boy in the Kakshal area of Peshawar on Saturday.

A police official of the Yakatut Police Station told The Express Tribune that accused Gul Zaman, a resident of the Orakzai Agency, was arrested after the assault victim’s father Shahbaz Khan reported the incident late on Friday.

The official said that the Zaman was teaching at Masjid Ameer Mowia in the Qureysh Abad locality of the Kashkal area. He added that Zaman had also confessed to the crime.

The police official revealed that a case has been registered against the accused and medical reports have also confirmed rape. The father of the victim told The Express Tribune that he took his son to the doctor after his family told him about his son’s condition.

Khan, who has three sons, said that all his children go to the same mosque for religious education in the evening, where the accused was their teacher.

He said that police arrested the accused upon the doctor’s report and also detained two other people, including one of Zaman’s guests.

However, local police only confirmed the arrest of Zaman and said that the two others were picked up on suspicion but were released following initial investigations.

Society for the Protection of Rights of Children (SPARC) Provincial Chief Jahanzeb Khan told The Express Tribune that the provincial assembly had last year passed the Child Protection Act and there is also a Child Protection Committee in the province.

He added that it was now the responsibility of the authorities to proceed with the case.

“The authorities should enforce the law to protect children from such assaults,” Jahanzeb said.

 

[Kompromat]

Now he will be punished and wont be forgiven in the name of father son and the holy ghost.

 

[Dance]

Unfortunately issues like this are never brought to the spotlight.

 

[Leader]

lash this bastard so hard, that I should feel his pain.... eeeerrrrrrr

 

[American Pakistani]

Shut down all these illegal Madrassahs from Karachi to Skardu & from Gawadar to Chitral, these are real breeding grounds for those terrorists who educate young kids to become a terrorists. There should be very very strict measures taken by govt authorities & army against these fake mullas & their madrassas who are destroying Pakistan & Islam both.

Before these kind of Madrassas were only seen in FATA, but now they are spreading across KPK, Punjab & Karachi at very alarming rate, some thing should be done immidiately, but well we cannot expect anything from corrupt system & bikay hue generals.

 

[cheekybird]

Sick man...should hang him in public.

 

[muse]

Sick man? Well of course, but friends, there is no avoiding the fact that these Mullahs have been doing this crime for long -- and there is no denying that in 99 out of 100 cases, the victims are persuaded to drop the cases against the mullah, I think numbers from a couple of years ago showed 3000 cases were registered against Mullahs but not a single one was brought to trial

Do you really believe no one in that Madressah knew of Mullah Gul Zaman's proclivities ?? Why is it that Mullah and buggery seem be fellow travelers?

 

[Ajaxpaul]

Arrogance of invincibility created by religion brings out the worst in a man, that devil himself fears. It happens in Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and all religion. These people should be castrated chemically and left as an example.

 

[Meengla]

Shut down all Madrassahs?
Trying to stop just one Lal Masjid goons caused deaths of hundreds as revenge attacks. The media made the Lal Masjid terrorists as heroes.

 

[Najam Khan]

Another similar bastrd was shown on Express tribune last night...may be in program 'Raat gaey'....who raped two girls.....even in police custody, he was not accepting his crime....

I wonder how these 'Naik' people will face God at the end of the day!

 

[muse]

Jamaati defense of rape in the name of religion - a taste for the finer things, indeed:



In blood stepped in so far
Gul Bukhari



“I am in blood stepped in so far that should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er” — Macbeth, Act III.

The abdication from reason and awarding of unquestionable supremacy to religion has put the ‘unreasonables’ in an enviable position in this country. Incomprehensible, untenable and indefensible positions may not be countered if made in the name of religion. It seems the earth has stopped rotating under the midday sun of unreason.

Mr Munawar Hasan, ameer Jamaat-e-Islami, who amongst many others has resisted the repeal or amendment of the Hudood laws, had another field day under the sun last week on national television. Upon being questioned on how he justified his position of supporting the Hudood Ordinance requiring evidence of four male Muslim witnesses for conviction of rape, since such a requirement would render rape practically impossible to prove, he immediately took refuge in religion.

His initial argument was that Islam did not condone the ‘outing’ of evil; that if the deed were not done in public, then it should be covered up and not brought to light as that would sully society (and therefore the Hudood Ordinance, which makes rape perpetrated in private not punishable, is in keeping with Islamic values). When questioned closely whether he was saying rape should not be reported by women, he concurred stressing that it was in the best interests of the larger good of society (and, incredibly, of that of the victim as well as the rapist). Splendid! By that measure, society should not out any ill, including theft, murder, bribery, corruption, cheating or lying, lest such outing corrupt society. However, Mr Hasan confined himself only to declaring that women not report this heinous crime. Generous man, he. For surely, he supports the reporting and punishment of all other crimes?

The gentleman is the leader of a major religio-political party that has previously held seats in parliament. And some Pakistanis do vote for this party and what it stands for. Do people understand that they vote for a party whose leader, in effect, has given his go-ahead for every woman in the land to be raped as long as there are no four eyewitnesses around? I shudder to guess at his motivations.

The host of the programme, not having bought into the overall societal good argument, persisted in asking Hasan to justify such a preposterous stance. Failing miserably to provide any argument, Hasan proceeded to declare that the host was challenging the Quran and Sunnah (something that presumably by implication only a non-Muslim would do). The host asked if Hasan was issuing a fatwa (religious decree) against him but Hasan continued uninterrupted and invited the host to re-enter the fold of Islam by reciting the first Kalima and refused to justify his stance.

So this was Mr Hasan’s play. In the absence of a logical argument he tried to intimidate the host with the suggestion that he was no longer a Muslim (i.e. an apostate deserving of the death penalty). Everyone knows that after such a fatwa, a random fanatic may be relied upon to make an attempt on the decreed against blasphemer/apostate’s life. With such fatwas, intended as a convenient death threat, any semblance of a debate usually ends in favour of the violent ‘unreasonables’.

However, on a point of order with regard to what Mr Munawar Hasan was alluding to (whilst trying to justify sexual violence against women), the translation of the relevant verses in the Quran are as under:

“And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witness against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness, confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them” (4:15).

The most common interpretation of the ayat above refers to adultery or fornication between a man and a woman (though some scholars believe this verse refers to sexual relationships between women only — since it refers to women only). There is no mention of rape. How the likes of Mr Munawar Hasan make the jump from this verse of the Quran to requiring four witnesses for proving rape should be beyond comprehension of even the least intelligent. Yet, the law remains on the statute books, and parliament dare not change it for fear of the sex-crazed lobby.

Our esteemed scholars-turned-politicians-turned-legal-brains have made the leap of calumny and argued that the above ayat provides for requiring four eyewitnesses to the rape of a woman for conviction purposes.

One is at a loss for words to even state the obvious. Firstly, even if any religion propagated that rape should go unreported, un-resisted and unpunished for the larger good of ‘society’ (read lust-filled violent maniacs of the variety Mr Munawar Hasan appears to support), any civilised society would reject it. But as evidenced by the Quranic verses this law is based on, there is no sanction for such an atrocity.

But such is the pall of terror over this society, that the Hasans of this world are holding the country hostage with impunity, cowing all opposition with ‘God’s word’. Are we going to screw our courage to the sticking place and stand up to the bullying? Are we willing to say theirs is not our God? Or are we going to keep stepping further in blood?

The writer is a journalist and can be reached at gulnbukhari@gmail.com

 

[*Awan*]

Three-year-old assaulted by madrassa teacher[/FONT]

All imams of fiqah proposed different punishment for such a crime.one of them is throw the culprit from mountain.
don't you think such type of punishment is ok for such scum.
but then who will gona handle human rights morons?

 

[*Awan*]

Jamaati defense of rape in the name of religion - a taste for the finer things, indeed:



In blood stepped in so far
Gul Bukhari



“I am in blood stepped in so far that should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er” — Macbeth, Act III.

The abdication from reason and awarding of unquestionable supremacy to religion has put the ‘unreasonables’ in an enviable position in this country. Incomprehensible, untenable and indefensible positions may not be countered if made in the name of religion. It seems the earth has stopped rotating under the midday sun of unreason.

Mr Munawar Hasan, ameer Jamaat-e-Islami, who amongst many others has resisted the repeal or amendment of the Hudood laws, had another field day under the sun last week on national television. Upon being questioned on how he justified his position of supporting the Hudood Ordinance requiring evidence of four male Muslim witnesses for conviction of rape, since such a requirement would render rape practically impossible to prove, he immediately took refuge in religion.

His initial argument was that Islam did not condone the ‘outing’ of evil; that if the deed were not done in public, then it should be covered up and not brought to light as that would sully society (and therefore the Hudood Ordinance, which makes rape perpetrated in private not punishable, is in keeping with Islamic values). When questioned closely whether he was saying rape should not be reported by women, he concurred stressing that it was in the best interests of the larger good of society (and, incredibly, of that of the victim as well as the rapist). Splendid! By that measure, society should not out any ill, including theft, murder, bribery, corruption, cheating or lying, lest such outing corrupt society. However, Mr Hasan confined himself only to declaring that women not report this heinous crime. Generous man, he. For surely, he supports the reporting and punishment of all other crimes?

The gentleman is the leader of a major religio-political party that has previously held seats in parliament. And some Pakistanis do vote for this party and what it stands for. Do people understand that they vote for a party whose leader, in effect, has given his go-ahead for every woman in the land to be raped as long as there are no four eyewitnesses around? I shudder to guess at his motivations.

The host of the programme, not having bought into the overall societal good argument, persisted in asking Hasan to justify such a preposterous stance. Failing miserably to provide any argument, Hasan proceeded to declare that the host was challenging the Quran and Sunnah (something that presumably by implication only a non-Muslim would do). The host asked if Hasan was issuing a fatwa (religious decree) against him but Hasan continued uninterrupted and invited the host to re-enter the fold of Islam by reciting the first Kalima and refused to justify his stance.

So this was Mr Hasan’s play. In the absence of a logical argument he tried to intimidate the host with the suggestion that he was no longer a Muslim (i.e. an apostate deserving of the death penalty). Everyone knows that after such a fatwa, a random fanatic may be relied upon to make an attempt on the decreed against blasphemer/apostate’s life. With such fatwas, intended as a convenient death threat, any semblance of a debate usually ends in favour of the violent ‘unreasonables’.

However, on a point of order with regard to what Mr Munawar Hasan was alluding to (whilst trying to justify sexual violence against women), the translation of the relevant verses in the Quran are as under:

“And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witness against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness, confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them” (4:15).

The most common interpretation of the ayat above refers to adultery or fornication between a man and a woman (though some scholars believe this verse refers to sexual relationships between women only — since it refers to women only). There is no mention of rape. How the likes of Mr Munawar Hasan make the jump from this verse of the Quran to requiring four witnesses for proving rape should be beyond comprehension of even the least intelligent. Yet, the law remains on the statute books, and parliament dare not change it for fear of the sex-crazed lobby.

Our esteemed scholars-turned-politicians-turned-legal-brains have made the leap of calumny and argued that the above ayat provides for requiring four eyewitnesses to the rape of a woman for conviction purposes.

One is at a loss for words to even state the obvious. Firstly, even if any religion propagated that rape should go unreported, un-resisted and unpunished for the larger good of ‘society’ (read lust-filled violent maniacs of the variety Mr Munawar Hasan appears to support), any civilised society would reject it. But as evidenced by the Quranic verses this law is based on, there is no sanction for such an atrocity.

But such is the pall of terror over this society, that the Hasans of this world are holding the country hostage with impunity, cowing all opposition with ‘God’s word’. Are we going to screw our courage to the sticking place and stand up to the bullying? Are we willing to say theirs is not our God? Or are we going to keep stepping further in blood?

The writer is a journalist and can be reached at gulnbukhari@gmail.com

what your knowledge regarding shariat say that if medical report confirm women rape?still there will be need for 4 witnesses?

and also hope you know that women who accused IMF ex chief withdrew her allegations?what type of law do you suggest in order to avoid this kind of mishaps where a women accuse a man of rape because of certain agenda?

 

[muse]

Jamaati islam has brought nothing but ruin to Pakistan the sooner Pakistan wakes up to that reality the better, however, reality is that only the cleansing by violence of this jamaati islman will save Pakistan - there is no other way.

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

What if the madrassah called St. Judes Elementary?

Since when have mudarrisiin - teachers - become 3ulemaa2 - scholars? How many of the formers' names carry the prefix Dr.?

Hey museh, watch

. It's the local culture, school teachers can't be immune to it.

And museh are you suggesting that sodomizing young people is wrong? Why? Even if there's consent?