A Sino-centric Asia is unlikely

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Here's good one titled "Let us Understand the Chinese"
This one is notable for how quickly a reasonable topic degenerates into open racism.

Bharat Rakshak • View topic - Let us Understand the Chinese


The first page of discussions were misinformed but reasonable but by the second page things like this started showing up

Hey bro .....I thought there was a complete ban on all discussions about other forums on PDF.....

 

[Ruag]

In one thread he talks about how China is a military threat and must be stopped while in another he talks about how incapable China is militarily and couldn't possibly threaten others... I don't even know what he wants to get across.

Uh... talks?! Now, you are talking as if I wrote that particular article.

I think I have put my point across several times but some people just don't seem to get it. So, here I'm repeating it... again -

China has long been working on a systematic plan to intimidate and bully its neighbors into giving up key strategic areas such as Arunachal, Senkaku islands and South China Sea.

In some cases (such as Taiwan and Vietnam), it can effectively deploy an aggressive military policy to intimidate its adversary. While in other cases, it is arming other countries in hope of some sought of a proxy conflict with its adversaries (such as Pakistan w.r.t. India and North Korea w.r.t. South Korea and Japan).

And as a consequence, there is a growing feeling among these nations to increase collaboration among themselves and also increasingly involve a foreign power (i.e. the United States) to settle Asian disputes. And this will ultimately lead to an unstable Asia.

He's terrified of China rise. Fair enough a lot neighbouring countries are, only time and action will prove China's peaceful rise and settle some of the ruffled feathers (and by action I mean real action not the paranoid 'needling' that is so popular a phrase here)

Terrified huh? China is one of the main reasons why so many Asian nations are spending much more on military rather than uplifting the poor. China is one of the main reasons why a non-Asian country is gaining more foothold in Asia. So yeah, I'm "terrified" of this communist country which has absolutely no idea about the long-term consequences of its actions.

Regarding the rest of your comment, an old African proverb comes to mind -
When deeds speak, words are nothing.

China's deeds in the past few years speak far more than terms like "peaceful rise".

Anyways, it's pretty much useless sitting in front of a computer and arguing with someone over the internet regarding the future of Asia. So, good-riddance.

 

[CardSharp]

Anyways, it's pretty much useless sitting in front of a computer and arguing with someone over the internet

I concur...so maybe you'll stop wasting your time.

 

[Ruag]

I concur...so maybe you'll stop wasting your time.

Thanks for taking so much interest in my time management.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Uh... talks?! Now, you are talking as if I wrote that particular article.

I think I have put my point across several times but some people just don't seem to get it. So, here I'm repeating it... again -

China has long been working on a systematic plan to intimidate and bully its neighbors into giving up key strategic areas such as Arunachal, Senkaku islands and South China Sea.

In some cases (such as Taiwan and Vietnam), it can effectively deploy an aggressive military policy to intimidate its adversary. While in other cases, it is arming other countries in hope of some sought of a proxy conflict with its adversaries (such as Pakistan w.r.t. India and North Korea w.r.t. South Korea and Japan).

And as a consequence, there is a growing feeling among these nations to increase collaboration among themselves and also increasingly involve a foreign power (i.e. the United States) to settle Asian disputes. And this will ultimately lead to an unstable Asia.



Terrified huh? China is one of the main reasons why so many Asian nations are spending much more on military rather than uplifting the poor. China is one of the main reasons why a non-Asian country is gaining more foothold in Asia. So yeah, I'm "terrified" of this communist country which has absolutely no idea about the long-term consequences of its actions.

Regarding the rest of your comment, an old African proverb comes to mind -
When deeds speak, words are nothing.

China's deeds in the past few years speak far more than terms like "peaceful rise".

Anyways, it's pretty much useless sitting in front of a computer and arguing with someone over the internet regarding the future of Asia. So, good-riddance.

Here we go again.

Your point is that China is expansionistic/militaristic and is starting conflicts with neighboring countries. Fair enough. I respect your right to believe something like that. However the source that you picked this time clearly indicates that China is INCAPABLE of significant power projection and will likely LOSE in a conflict against nations like Japan and India. Can you at least quote a source that support your own POV first?

WTF. So you are saying that China is causing poverty in Asia because other nations are spending way too much money on the military ? By the same argument I can say that Pakistan is poor because it is spending too much money on the military because of India, Iran and NK are poor because of the U.S., Syria is poor because of Israel and on and on and on. If the government of a country believes that the threat of Chinese incursion is more important than providing basic necessities for its own people, shame on that government.

I completely agree with your last statement. Same to you sir.

 

[CardSharp]

Thanks for taking so much interest in my time management.

Very interested. Interested to the point where I think this forum is beneath you. You should to trolling at a much more prominent forum. Can I recommend BR?

You'll find a lot less disagreement there.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Very interested. Interested to the point where I think this forum is beneath you. You should to trolling at a much more prominent forum. Can I recommend BR?

You'll find a lot less disagreement there.

Don't think that would be considered trolling there.

 

[Ruag]

Very interested. Interested to the point where I think this forum is beneath you. You should to trolling at a much more prominent forum. Can I recommend BR?

Me going to BR? You would love that, won't you?

That will surely aid your endeavor in creating PDF a 'dream world' where people can openly discuss how others are "terrified" of China and there won't be any "trolls" to get back at you guys.

Nah, sick and tired of these useless defense forums. So, you little girls can ***** about me all you want while I'm gone. Enjoy!

 

[siegecrossbow]

Me going to BR? You would love that, won't you?

That will surely aid your endeavor in creating PDF a 'dream world' where people can openly discuss how others are "terrified" of China and there won't be any "trolls" to get back at you guys.

Nah, sick and tired of these useless defense forums. So, you little girls can ***** about me all you want while I'm gone. Enjoy!

Thought you said you'll be gone three posts ago. What's up with the delay? Please don't make it longer than Mel Gibson's death scene in Hamlet.

Don't worry. We won't talk about you when you are gone. We'll simply forget about you and move on, like normal people.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Very interested. Interested to the point where I think this forum is beneath you. You should to trolling at a much more prominent forum. Can I recommend BR?

You'll find a lot less disagreement there.

Ah, the Indian BR forum, where people use the word "Chink" so often, that it has replaced the word Chinese.

What lovely people they must be.

 

[twocents]

Ah, the Indian BR forum, where people use the word "Chink" so often, that it has replaced the word Chinese.

What lovely people they must be.

I generally don't even bother to argue with Indian/Hindu nationalists. I understand you are a proponent of better Sino-India relations. I am a little curious about your assessment of such a prospect.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I understand you are a proponent of better Sino-India relations. I am a little curious about your assessment of such a prospect.

I think it is positive, for these reasons:

1) The CCP cares most about keeping up the Economic growth, most Chinese feel the same way. That is a thousand times more important than any conflict.

2) A war between China and India will hurt our economic growth, and provide no economic benefits whatsoever.

3) Such a war may escalate into a full-blown nuclear conflict, which will cause mass devastation to both sides. Nobody benefits from that.

So obviously a war is not desirable from any point of view. If there is no war, then why not cooperate? The CCP is already cooperating with India on many issues, I expect this trend to improve in the future.

The only people who would benefit from a new Sino-Indian conflict would be China's enemies in the world, who seek to contain us. Why should we help our enemies by hurting ourselves?

 

[siegecrossbow]

I think it is positive, for these reasons:

1) The CCP cares most about keeping up the Economic growth, most Chinese feel the same way. That is a thousand times more important than any conflict.

2) A war between China and India will hurt our economic growth, and provide no economic benefits whatsoever.

3) Such a war may escalate into a full-blown nuclear conflict, which will cause mass devastation to both sides. Nobody benefits from that.

So obviously a war is not desirable from any point of view. If there is no war, then why not cooperate? The CCP is already cooperating with India on many issues, I expect this trend to improve in the future.

The only people who would benefit from a new Sino-Indian conflict would be China's enemies in the world, who seek to contain us. Why should we help our enemies by hurting ourselves?

Another funny thing is the number of stupid accusations these people make. Just look at the friggin title!

"Sino-centric Asia is unlikely"

I am Chinese and I can tell you that no one gives a damn about making Asia Sino-centric. Neither your average Chinese person nor the CCP. Everyone is too busy worrying about getting their kids a good education, buying cars/houses so they can get a wife, or making apologies and cutting down the military budget so idiots won't be making such stupid claims.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I am Chinese and I can tell you that no one gives a damn about making Asia Sino-centric. Neither your average Chinese person nor the CCP. Everyone is too busy worrying about getting their kids a good education, buying cars/houses so they can get a wife, or making apologies and cutting down the military budget so idiots won't be making such stupid claims.

Exactly right buddy.

No Chinese person ever wakes up in the morning and thinks... "Oh let's make Asia Sino-centric!"

People just don't care about that sort of thing.

 

[twocents]

It is certainly true that Sino-Indian conflicts only serve the interest of China's enemies. The West in general and the US in paraticular would love to see that happen. I guess I am not as optimistic as you are. With the Indian media and politicians constantly adding fuel to anti-China sentiments, I have a hard time forseeing a rosy scenario.