A Single Picture That Could - Or Should? - Alter Iranian Foreign Policy

[AmirPatriot]

No, ISIS is one of my most hated objects

Then maybe your earlier statement was misjudgement.

 

[war&peace]

Then maybe your earlier statement was misjudgement.

I know about ISIS and its horrible actions but about her I never heard anything bad. Actually I never heard about her and this is my first time I 'm seeing her pic and hearing about her

 

[Falcon29]

Good post. Your post gave me a fair bit to think about.

I think what worries me about Hamas is that they have worked with the Saudis, and do so even now.

I'd like for you to specify what you mean here, having relations with a country does not impact Iran in any way, unless Iran seeks to project itself as forefront of I/P arena to the general regional public. Even then, Saudi Arabia is not going out of it's way to seek that role, so there is no qualms here if Hamas did have relations with Saudi Arabia.

That isn't the case however, Hamas is not on good terms with Saudi Arabia nor Iran, as of late.

On top of that, their methods seem questionable. Now, I don't particularly take to Zionist propaganda, so I'd rather ask yourself about subjects like the encouragement of the stabbings of civilians etc.

Hamas encourages armed resistance against Israeli settler males and Israeli forces located in the West Bank. That may be difficult for some people to stomach, it's not for our people, as we acknowledge the seriousness of the ongoing Israeli annexation of the West Bank, which holds huge future repercussions for us. That may not seem urgent people, since there isn't massive scale of violence. Nowadays, people associate urgency with mass chaos, that isn't a realistic narrative, the situation is very urgent for those of us that take the cause seriously, from among our people. And clock continues ticking.

I think Hamas have shown that although theirs and Iran's interests align somewhat now, they are pliable. They could be turned against Iran. For me, its difficult to support a group whose intentions and methods seem so... volatile.

They do not need to be allies. They will have some aligning interests in the region, but they seek a whole different kind of reform to the regional situation, and aren't on the same page in that regard. So it does affect ties, and they aren't on good terms for awhile now. Is it enough to permanently cut all forms of any ties? The answer is no. They are both aware of sharing different approaches, and are being mature about it.

The whole point is that Palestine is becoming an ever more troublesome environment to work in. Iran has to think of its own interests as well. Aside from helping Palestine, countering Israel and the Arab states is among those interests. Unfortunately, it seems to me that trying to help Palestine is getting us nowhere, when resources could be spent on our economy, armed forces and even Hezbollah to better pursue other options.

I think you're making an observation here ...and having difficulty expressing yourself. Yes, Palestine is not on top of anyones agenda, especially as of recent. What I'm saying is, the assistance is minimal, and it was never a central agenda to anyone, so when Iran is directing focus on Yemen, Syria and Iraq arenas, the Palestinian arena isn't brought up, as it doesn't interfere. So think of it as cap space, Iran wants to tally off Palestinian arena interests, and your point is it would free up lots of cap space to direct elsewhere, but that isn't true. It's too insignificant to have impact, Iran spends much more on Lebanon and Yemen, and Syria. It can't gain much withdrawing from Palestinian arena. It benefits by being able to relay to general public that it's policies in Palestine are interconnected to overall regional policies.

Your point is that is not received well by some of Arab public who are anti-Iran anyway, and that, that benefit is waning and no longer necessary to be involved in Palestinian arena. That is a good point, now what Iran policy makers decide is not something in my hands. I just wanted to clarify some things.

Assuming that scenario does occur, where ties are cut, Hamas will return to more militant past. Only this time, the region is more engulfed with Jihadism, and it will get more popular, in the Arab world. Back then there was not really such a thing, Iran's revolution had the hype.

 

[mohsen]

what did you think is the purpose of peace negotiations? to bring peace? no, they are bunch of self-sold traitors, before they betray Iran, they betrayed their own country, Palestine.

we have almost zero relations with Mahmood Abbas, so there is no foreign policy to be altered.
and if we are going to alter something, that's our relations with France which hosts this terrorist group, the deals which we signed with them and gave them the monopoly of our market to them.
and some clowns who always want to be the first one who congratulate and denounce French sh!ts!

Aliance of Palestinian forces consisted of 10 famous groups denounced this meeting and called it a dictated act which shows the amount of political fall and dependence (on KSA dictatorship) in Abbas government.

http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13950511001495

 

[SOHEIL]

Palestinians are ungrateful people...

Specifically when it comes to Iran !

Because we are rafidi monsters

 

[yavar]

عباس بره گم شه. حماس بره گم شه. این لعنتیها فقط برای مشکل و تحریم ساختن. الانم که با این رجوی گٔه ملاقات کرد. بابا به ما چی‌ میرسه. همون حزب‌الله برایه اسرییلیها زیادم هست.

my brother you have to be patient . why do you think he did that in first place ??
time will judge

 

[Fafnir]

if we are going to alter something, that's our relations with France which hosts this terrorist group, the deals which we signed with them and gave them the monopoly of our market to them.
and some clowns who always want to be the first one who congratulate and denounce French sh!ts!

Well said,iran should be using its economic power to get the french government to remove these arseholes,failing that iran should look at extra-judicial options,after all if its ok for the west to go around killing terrorists with drone strikes and other means then it should be quite all right for iran to act similarly with regards to dangerous terror groups like the mek.

 

[raptor22]

There is 3 narrations regarding Iran stance on Palestine:

1: Iran backs Palestine cause due to ongoing oppression and occupation against Palestine and its people.
2: Iran just exploits this situation to expand its sphere of influence in the region.
3: At first it was just a moral support but later on Iran realized it could exploit it.​

Now base upon your interpretation on the Iran-Palestine relations + Iran policies towards it we could have a better assessment on the subject ...

But historically Iran supports for Palestine cause didn't start back in 1979 and Islamic revolution but actually in 1948 by ayatullah Kashani and Iranians protested against occupation and oppression whcih proceeded by other clerics like decleration of ayatullah Brojerdi ....

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It continued in Shah era in different ways till Islamic revolution , which in its aftermath Iran cut off its relations with israel and close its embassy in Tehran and gave it to PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) :

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Months later Iran the leader of Islamic revolution declared the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan each year as Quds Day to support Palestine cause .

Your hate and disgust tells me, she must a good person

They killed at least 17000 Iranian civilians besides Iran president, prime minister, and 72 MPs .... they fought shoulder to shoulder with Saddam against their own people.

 

[Arminkh]

I've discussed with some Iranians about the merits of caring about what goes on in Palestine. I've always supported the Palestinian cause.

But with pictures like this, I'm starting to find it hard to care.

Why should we care when they do this?

Meeting the Zionists or the Americans is one thing. Meeting the terrorist, traitorous bitch that is Rajavi quite clearly shows their attitude.

Leave Palestine. They don't appear to want our help. Instead, increase support for Hezbollah. They are a good enough deterrence.

@raptor22 @scythian500 @SOHEIL @yavar @Arminkh I'd be interested in your views on this.

عباس بره گم شه. حماس بره گم شه. این لعنتیها فقط برای مشکل و تحریم ساختن. الانم که با این رجوی گٔه ملاقات کرد. بابا به ما چی‌ میرسه. همون حزب‌الله برایه اسرییلیها زیادم هست.

It is a political dance Amir jan. In politics, every real intention is silver plated in public-pleasing forms. US attacks Iraq and Afghanistan and names it fight for democracy! While it was actually pursuing other goals.

What I'm trying to say is, you need to look beyond stated goals and aims of all sides and then, you'll know that what Abbas is doing or saying is irrelevant. Let him do whatever he likes to do or let Mojahedeen have conventions with whoever they want. We as Iranians know they will never have any place in Iran's history.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Abbas is an huge asshole. Turks can't stand him either.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas voiced support to the Greek theses on Cyprus issue during his visit Greek Cyprus, local media reported. A day after Abbas’ remarks, Turkey’s Parliament Speaker Köksal Toptan said on Friday he wanted to believe Palestinian leaders’ comments stemmed from a misunderstanding.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/abbas-backs-greek-stand-on-cyprus-issue-12047990

 

[war&peace]

They killed at least 17000 Iranian civilians besides Iran president, prime minister, and 72 MPs .... they fought shoulder to shoulder with Saddam against their own people.

That I didn't know about her

 

[Serpentine]

Mahmoud Abbas is more useless than a rotten tomato. Nobody takes him seriously. He is a sold out, I bet he will sell his daughters for proper money too. Not really surprised seeing the pic.

 

[Surenas]

Mahmoud Abbas with Maryam Rajavi:

Arafat with Masoud Rajavi:

Palestinians honoring Saddam Hussein:

Palestinians are the most dishonorable people in the region. Any Iranian who still cries and wants to die for Palestine is an idiot.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Palestinians are ungrateful people...

Specifically when it comes to Iran !

Because we are rafidi monsters

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Palestinians honoring Saddam Hussein:

Palestinians are the most dishonorable people in the region. Any Iranian who still cries and wants to die for Palestine is an idiot.

A little bit of rage against whom Iraqis the Shiite?! Most of the bombers in Iraq were Palestinians!!!.

 

[Falcon29]

Palestinians are the most dishonorable people in the region. Any Iranian who still cries and wants to die for Palestine is an idiot.

Have some self respect prick, the world doesn't revolve around you, and rendering people 'dishonorable' due to being different, not sharing your beliefs or nationalist sentiments, is childish, immature, and disgusting. Palestinians have more honor than everyone in the region combined, cowards who get bombed by Israel left and right, have not done one thing to respond. Don't even start .... You make yourselves appear way more important than you really are , all it achieves, is guaranteeing less favorabiltiy of your people.

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A little bit of rage against whom Iraqis the Shiite?! Most of the bombers in Iraq were Palestinians!!!.

You know lately I was commending Iraq's effort to secure the nation, now I'm not going to make any comment. You always look for people to come against you, stupid and unthankful behavior, you lack understanding of basic indirect communication and mutual respect. I've repeated before plenty of times, if you don't like us stop obsession with us and spreading misinformation. Mind your own business and take of your country, you have no role in our country, neither does the country you worship.

You weirdos think you're above everybody and entitled to being whiny brats,which is funny, but it's also sad how obsessed you are with us. Stay in your heads and keep your thoughts to yourselves. I don't like to get into unnecessary arguments and no one here should push my limits, I don't hold any of you above other people.

PS:

Your have zero ties with Hamas, and play little to no role in Palestine, besides giving IJ small financial budget, title is misleading, implies Iran plays any significant role in Palestine, it doesn't, and neither does its foreign policy have anything to do with Palestine.

I'd like this Surenas coward with inferiority complex, that tries his best to come off as Westerner in Westerner forums and is all humble there, then comes here with meaningless pride over nothing. I'm not like any other Asian or Arab people that looks up to you ordinary people, I'd like to see anyone say something stupid so this time I make example out of all of you with no restrictions.