A Serious thinking and imagination....indian view

[relativiti]

"Pakistan is a great nation with great people,great culture and has a huge potential to grow".....this thought was expressed by US as well as India and I too agree on this. But seeing the current situation of this nation I feel it is getting divided due to various reasons and getting closer and closer to complete chaos and turmoil. According to me i can sum up a few reasons for this:

1. Internal instability due to religious reasons.....I find that in pakistan there is a great gap between modern muslims and hardliners.the modern guys even though greatly successful are limited in numbers and are unable to get the confidence of the hardliners. they are based in cities, living in posh colonies, owning a car or two, going for foreign vacations, politician. bureaucrat, businessman, engineer, doc etc etc........on the other hand u have the sizeable population everyday being brainwashed by the hardliners and fanatics and bringing religion in everything........i wan't to ask these guys a question that after 15 years or so when the oil prices go so high that even the upper class cannot afford it then will religion give you oil??? will it drop from sky?? how will people live huh??
   its very easy to preach religion sitting in your comfort zone but only the poor will suffer. always making a decent living first then comes religion ;
2. Hate India Attitude......I think pakistan is letting go a big opportunity by not trading significantly and engaging in business with india. So many countries have gained so much by engaging in business with india across various spectrum - Europe, America, Gulf, ASEAN, China(largest trade partner) and now the South Americans are coming. Our pre conditions ....1. stop proxy war 2. stop hate india attitude. Pakistan could have grown much faster if it had normal relations with india.
3. Putting kashmir on every stage.....Common guys Kashmir and its people have already suffered a lot due to terrorism and negligence and oppression. they never wanted all of these......and even if pakistan gets control of whole of kashmir Can it feed an extra 5 million people where it is struggling to feed its 175 million people...huh? Can it already burden its already burdened economy with these......what will Pakistan get......land which is mostly mountainous and tundra and unproductive, population which heavily depends on tourists coming mostly from other indian states, military might over india as if it will lower the oil prices down, and permanent enemy India whose till now defensive posture may change into very aggresive, and of course the pakistan's politician would stay longer in his/her office with massive public support'
   

I'm just imagining few events that supposedly takes place 2015 onwards to change the course of pakistan for ever:

1. 2015: Violent clashes start to take place among authorities and separatists, unemployed youth, religious extremist groups etc
2. 2015: A chain of terror attacks all over the country leaves 50.000 dead
3. 2016: Country goes into a situation like present day libya
4. 2017: Army unable to control asks for UN intervention.....India refuses to help saying the situation may infiltrate India.India seals all borders and readies froward bases for any untoward incident.....US, Nato, China intervenes and returns control with help of pak Army.
5. 2020: After 3 years of fighting in Pakistan a special agreement is reached between all groups.. The agreement is as follows: NWFP along with some adjoining provinces of Afghanistan is declared a special administrative zone like hongkong and macau of china but under joint command of Pak, Afgh, UNSC. This will be the area of the extremist group who will live here without external interference. the rest of pakistan will be changed from Islamic republic to Democratic republic based on Islamic values and have positive and healthy relations with india to grow economically and healthily. Like India-China relation(business, tourism, etc) in spite of aksai chin and arunachal pradesh there will exist an India-Pakistan relation with Kashmir in the backstage.

I would like to know your honest opinion about my concerns and suggestions as well as imaginationand correct me wherever you feel i stated wrong....all types of opinion especially from pakistani guys are required..

 

[desioptimist]

Or pakistani public can get sick of terrorist violence and fully support the army and govt.
India and pakistan remove suspicion and stop acting against each other.

 

[Secret Service]

Point 1 - i think internal instability have many reasons not only religion extremism...No justice for poor ,Bad governance , corruption , insecurity are main factors.people are losing tolerance.lack of opportunities for students.besides that our education is divided into three parts...it should be same for all...plus right education of religion should be given to everyone...in fact Islam provides every solution for better living... and i believe people are Not brainwashed..all these problems can be solved within two years.Pakistan just need a patriotic and honest government.
Point 2 - yes India can give huge business opportunities to Pakistan in almost every field. and both countries can be benefited from each other . for proxy war, both countries needs to change their foreign policy and i think they should sign a agreement for no war.
Point 3 - Kashmir is a core problem between two countries and struggle for Kashmir already subsides from Pakistan side.I think people of Kashmir should decide there future .
And feeding of people is no problem at all.Pakistan has huge potential in agriculture.

Some future predictions you mentioned and some concerns you shows about Pakistan are absolutely crap and BS.we listening these for past 64 years.

 

[khanz]

I don't mind positive relations with india but as for rest of it lol highly unlikely.

 

[Rafi]

The OP is another indian with an inferiority complex.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The OP is another indian with an inferiority complex.

I agree.

The 2015 prediction regarding Pakistan, reminds me of how Indians like to predict the collapse of their other neighbours too.

 

[Truth Teller]

my honest opinion: bharatis need to leave pakistanis alone.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

[*]2015: A chain of terror attacks all over the country leaves 50.000 dead

[*]2016: Country goes into a situation like present day libya

Look at this nonsense.

Just some Indians dreaming.

 

[Mech]

I would like to know your honest opinion about my concerns and suggestions as well as imaginationand correct me wherever you feel i stated wrong....all types of opinion especially from pakistani guys are required..

Honest opinion? I think youre a flippin idiot. Pakistan is a vibrant country with its own culture and diversity. They have a vibrant media, educated youth and a reasonably good infrastructure. Granted, the country is going through some tough times now, but i'm confident they can weather this storm. Hell, india went through a sh1tstorm couple of decades back and see how we turned out.....ofcourse pakistan will emerge stronger.

Unfortunately though, for a few nationalistic pricks in india, this time of instability is like being treated to a truckload of p0rn.

 

[Mech]

Unnecessary, self delete.

 

[SMC]

 

[harsh1488]

pakistan should resolve the minor issues with india first and keep kashmir for the last

 

[Obambam]

"Pakistan is a great nation with great people,great culture and has a huge potential to grow".....this thought was expressed by US as well as India and I too agree on this. But seeing the current situation of this nation I feel it is getting divided due to various reasons and getting closer and closer to complete chaos and turmoil. According to me i can sum up a few reasons for this:

1. Internal instability due to religious reasons.....I find that in pakistan there is a great gap between modern muslims and hardliners.the modern guys even though greatly successful are limited in numbers and are unable to get the confidence of the hardliners. they are based in cities, living in posh colonies, owning a car or two, going for foreign vacations, politician. bureaucrat, businessman, engineer, doc etc etc........on the other hand u have the sizeable population everyday being brainwashed by the hardliners and fanatics and bringing religion in everything........i wan't to ask these guys a question that after 15 years or so when the oil prices go so high that even the upper class cannot afford it then will religion give you oil??? will it drop from sky?? how will people live huh??
   its very easy to preach religion sitting in your comfort zone but only the poor will suffer. always making a decent living first then comes religion ;
2. Hate India Attitude......I think pakistan is letting go a big opportunity by not trading significantly and engaging in business with india. So many countries have gained so much by engaging in business with india across various spectrum - Europe, America, Gulf, ASEAN, China(largest trade partner) and now the South Americans are coming. Our pre conditions ....1. stop proxy war 2. stop hate india attitude. Pakistan could have grown much faster if it had normal relations with india.
3. Putting kashmir on every stage.....Common guys Kashmir and its people have already suffered a lot due to terrorism and negligence and oppression. they never wanted all of these......and even if pakistan gets control of whole of kashmir Can it feed an extra 5 million people where it is struggling to feed its 175 million people...huh? Can it already burden its already burdened economy with these......what will Pakistan get......land which is mostly mountainous and tundra and unproductive, population which heavily depends on tourists coming mostly from other indian states, military might over india as if it will lower the oil prices down, and permanent enemy India whose till now defensive posture may change into very aggresive, and of course the pakistan's politician would stay longer in his/her office with massive public support'
   

I'm just imagining few events that supposedly takes place 2015 onwards to change the course of pakistan for ever:

1. 2015: Violent clashes start to take place among authorities and separatists, unemployed youth, religious extremist groups etc
2. 2015: A chain of terror attacks all over the country leaves 50.000 dead
3. 2016: Country goes into a situation like present day libya
4. 2017: Army unable to control asks for UN intervention.....India refuses to help saying the situation may infiltrate India.India seals all borders and readies froward bases for any untoward incident.....US, Nato, China intervenes and returns control with help of pak Army.
5. 2020: After 3 years of fighting in Pakistan a special agreement is reached between all groups.. The agreement is as follows: NWFP along with some adjoining provinces of Afghanistan is declared a special administrative zone like hongkong and macau of china but under joint command of Pak, Afgh, UNSC. This will be the area of the extremist group who will live here without external interference. the rest of pakistan will be changed from Islamic republic to Democratic republic based on Islamic values and have positive and healthy relations with india to grow economically and healthily. Like India-China relation(business, tourism, etc) in spite of aksai chin and arunachal pradesh there will exist an India-Pakistan relation with Kashmir in the backstage.

I would like to know your honest opinion about my concerns and suggestions as well as imaginationand correct me wherever you feel i stated wrong....all types of opinion especially from pakistani guys are required..

This thread is so serious you managed to get someone banned already. Well done!

 

[StingRoy]

This thread is so serious you managed to get someone banned already. Well done!

The guy who got banned was a suicide troll... nothing to do with the topic. The topic does put forth some critical points to ponder, if you discount his predictions towards the bottom of his post.

Apart from that he has some valid points I agree to and feel that he has put them in the proper manner. See his opening line and you will get a feel about the intention of his post.

 

[Obambam]

The guy who got banned was a suicide troll... nothing to do with the topic. The topic does put forth some critical points to ponder, if you discount his predictions towards the bottom of his post.

Apart from that he has some valid points I agree to and feel that he has put them in the proper manner. See his opening line and you will get a feel about the intention of his post.

I know buddy. It was a light hearted joke from me.