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A New Freedom Struggle For India

I don't know what you mean, leftist ideologies and Islam are like Hinduism and Islam. Not compatible with each other. But some self-hating Muslims think if they align with the lefties, they will get some influence in the West. But this is stupid and counterproductivce.

1. Please read this thread of mine from 2015 which is about Muslims initiating or participating in modern socialist movements all over the world from the beginning of the 1900s. The thread is an article by Nadeem Paracha. Islam in its essence is a progressive / socialist movement.

2. You mention the West. You will realize that since the end of World War 2, wherever Muslims have organized into Leftist movements there the Western governments have propped up regressive mullahs against these movements. Take the Syria war for instance. Who are these so-called rebels ?
 
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Since independence, Congress positioned itself to represent every possible spectrum of India. From the right wing Hindu to the left wing socialist to the believing Muslim to the poor farmer to the strong-leader-loving fascists. The lack of an effective opposition allowed this to be possible.

Note my line above - the lack of an effective opposition allowed this to be possible - and how it relates to the present day scenario. In the coming years, the BJP will become like the old Congress party, dominating every political spectrum (except the Muslims).

Only a true Muslim Party like MIM is the answer to BJP.
 
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Only a true Muslim Party like MIM is the answer to BJP.

1. AIMIM should educate regressive people among its ranks like Abu Faisal. Bring them to become cosmopolitan and progressive.

2. Senior Owaisi refused on stage to help that girl, Amulya Leona, who just wanted to say "Zindabad" for all South Asian countries.

3. Why does India need a "Muslim party" ? The Owaisi brothers should merge their group into a new umbrella collection of all progressive groups in India.
 
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A new freedom struggle for India must be based on a new nationalism. No short-cuts will do

Pratap Bhanu Mehta is right about death of secularism. But he doesn’t answer why the entire spectrum of Hindu public opinion turned against secularism.

YOGENDRA YADAV 19 August, 2020 2:05 pm IST

Brilliant answers. But what was the question? That is how I look back at the rich, furious and short-lived debate on secularism after 5 August. My quick reaction to Ayodhya Ram Mandir bhoomi pujan, in line with what I have written and spoken repeatedly, triggered some of these responses. While I was happy that the provocation finally succeeded in getting Pratap Mehta, among my favourite political commentators, to offer a brilliant response, I wasn’t sure if I could get him to address the real questions.

This is not academic nuance. The future of India depends on how we pose and answer these three questions about Indian secularism: What is the state of its health? Why did it reach where it did? And what is to be done now?

In my various interventions on this issue, I have suggested that the idea of a secular republic is now in dire state. In 2019, we crossed the Rubicon, and are now in a naked majoritarian state that still keeps the fiction of a secular constitution alive, as long as the judiciary does not take it seriously. In this sense, secularism is as good as dead. Over the years, I have got tired of just blaming the Sangh Parivar for this demise of the secular state. While repeatedly noting the Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) criminal culpability and the anti-national credentials of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), I have also held the secular ‘establishment’ responsible for the present state of affairs. Specifically, I blame opportunistic politicians and deracinated intellectuals who passed off as guardians of secularism. The way forward, therefore, is not merely a political battle to vote out this government. We need to engage in a long-term cultural battle, where secularism must speak our languages and learn the language of religions and traditions.

Similar analysis
Pratap Mehta does not seem to disagree with the first part of my assessment, about the death of secularism. Suhas Palshikar has recently offered a similar reading. Shekhar Gupta disagrees, as he recounts the multiple times the death of secularism has been announced. That’s true. But isn’t it also true that big ideals like democracy and secularism die many deaths? Isn’t it our duty to record and dissect every time something dies in these foundational dreams? Shekhar thinks that what has died is just the opportunistic minorityism masquerading as secularism. It has, and no one should shed a tear. But is that all? Or are the rumours about everyday discrimination, lynching, the new citizenship law and the strange silence of the apex judiciary also wildly exaggerated? Is Shekhar waiting for the unlikely official declaration of a theocratic state before recognising the death of secularism?

Different diagnosis
Pratap Bhanu Mehta’s real objection is to my diagnosis that he finds it “historically problematic, philosophically dubious and culturally dangerous”. Strong words! He offers strong arguments as well: It is historically inaccurate to think that the problem of communalism arose in India due to a lack of theological or religious dialogue; it was and continues to be a political issue “born in the crucible of democracy and nationalism”. Similarly, the contest today is not about the nature of religiosity, but about the politics of “marginalising Muslims from the Indian narrative”. It is ethically wrong to allow politics to define true religion. It is a slippery cultural slope to grant that Hinduism and our languages have been neglected, because it gives in to the false victimology of Hindus.

Actually, I agree with Pratap. Almost. When I complain that secularists do not engage with the language of religion and traditions, I do not for a minute believe that such an engagement would have persuaded L.K. Advani not to undertake the rath yatra. I too tremble at the thought of political leaders deciding who is a true Hindu or a true Muslim. And yes, I have held myself back for long from public critique of secular ideas and practices lest it become fodder for the biggest propaganda machine of our times. But now, we have reached a stage where there is no option except honest public introspection.


Once the secularists face the truth of their defeat or even a ‘setback’ as Rajeev Bhargava puts it, they must ask: why did we lose this political battle? It is easy to blame the opportunistic and inept politics of ‘secular’ political parties on this score. The deeper question is: why did we lose the battle of ideas that prepared the ground for a political defeat? Why has the entire spectrum of Hindu public opinion turned against secularism? Pratap does not engage with this difficult question in his eloquent critique. When he does, I am sure he would agree with me that it is lazy to blame Right-wing propaganda alone. Custodians of secularism must take the blame for this.

Those who wrote history, those who wrote textbooks, those who shaped public opinion, those who presided over education – they all failed. People Like Us failed. We failed because we failed to connect. And we failed to connect to the commonsense of the ordinary Hindus, because we did not speak their language, literally and metaphorically. The social distance, cultural illiteracy and intellectual arrogance of the deracinated secular elite contributed a good deal to de-legitimisation of secularism. There is no avoiding this harsh conclusion.

Divergent readings
Pratap Bhanu Mehta thinks that I over-estimate the control of some Left-liberal scholars on Indian academia. I don’t. Their presence was limited to a few campuses, but they set the template for pretty much rest of India’s higher education in social sciences and the humanities. The NCERT books were more or less copied by most state boards. The Left-liberal establishment controlled the public and the private media until the 1980s. Pratap lists a number of illustrious Hindi writers who were secular in orientation. He is spot-on: I cannot think of even 10 non-secular Hindi writers of some repute in post-Independence India, a point recognised by Ashutosh Bhardwaj. I suppose the same is true of most Indian languages. But that is my point: bhasha intellectuals did not give up on secularism. The secular establishment gave up on non-English intellectuals, as did the media empires in the bhashas.

This may be a small difference. A more serious difference may arise if we go into the depth of how the secular establishment handled Hinduism. True, much of the sense of injury that the majority community carries today, in the midst of majoritarian stream-rolling, is manufactured. It is also true that seculars have been indifferent to all religions. Yet, today, we cannot afford to dodge the inconvenient question: was it not kosher in intellectual circles to mock at Hinduism more than any other religions? Is it not fashionable even today to reduce Hinduism to the worst feature of Indian society, namely the caste system? Doesn’t the secular response to Hinduism resemble the colonial response?

Pratap worries that a focus on intellectual Hindu-bashing might distract from the reality of Muslim-bashing on the streets. The trouble is that the two are connected. Ideological Hinduism-bashing has robbed secular politics of the cultural resources with which to combat Islamophobia and Muslim-bashing of the worst kind.

What’s the prescription?
All this relates to the final operational question: what is to be done? Pratap’s answer is attractive: “a new freedom struggle to salvage individual dignity and rights”. But it is unhelpful, because its passion barely conceals a deep pessimism. Yes, we need nothing short of a new freedom struggle. Yes, we must salvage individual dignity and rights. Yes, we must not keep playing religious hurts against one another. But how do we do that? How do we gather public support for this new freedom struggle? How do we regain legitimacy for the ideals of secularism? Even if the objective is to detach religion from politics, how do we get the public to endorse it? How do we shift the spectrum of public opinion?

Pratap’s sharp analysis doesn’t help me answer this all-important question of our times. There are no short-cuts. Older formulas of countering Hindu communalism with Bahujan majoritarianism or regional politics has not worked. We cannot depend upon electoral arithmetic to correct the excesses of democracy. A clever calculus of short-term political gains would, in fact, push the opposition parties towards playing the game on the BJP’s wicket, something that most opposition parties have started doing. This is not going to defeat the BJP. Even if it does, it won’t lead to salvaging the spirit of secularism. Movements on real-life economic issues are certainly the way forward, but these too require cultural and ideological acceptance.

There is no way except to take on the cultural and ideological acceptance of toxic majoritarianism. There is no way except to craft a new and more attractive nationalism. And for this, there is no way except what the RSS did for decades: enter into difficult dialogue with ordinary people. And for that there is no way except speak the peoples’ language. The battle to save the republic must involve popular debates in Indian languages that invoke and reinterpret our cultural traditions and religions, including Hinduism. Speaking religious language does not mean uncritically accepting whatever any religious text says or reiterating the lessons of piety or foregrounding religion as the issue of politics. What we call religion or traditions provide the alphabet of moral sensibility for most Indians.

You can quarrel with words, but not with the alphabet. You must use the given alphabet to create your own new words. A commitment to the idea of India must involve resistance to the idea of a majoritarian India. Yet, a new idea of India cannot be forged out of a phoney, imitative cosmopolitanism that pretends to outgrow nationalism. It must be grounded in those aspects of our traditions that allow us to build a just future. That remains the principal challenge for secular politics. We could begin by looking for a word for ‘secularism’, other than dharma nirpekshata or panth nirpekshata, which has some resonance in our languages.

Pratap suspects that I am looking for the key where the light happens to be. And he is right. I have put the spotlight of causal reasoning and future responsibility on those who swear by the ideal of a secular India, for it is pointless to keep blaming those who have no investment in this ideal. We must focus on what was wrong with us and how we can do things differently. Unlike a political analyst, a political activist must search for keys where the light is.

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@Joe Shearer - If you wondering why people changed. Just look at this pseudo secular's words.
https://www.opindia.com/2020/08/the...kumar-mob-has-religion-only-when-it-is-hindu/

People like him changed Hindu's and forcing them towards current dispensation. What is so hard to acknowledge radical Islam?
 
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@Joe Shearer - If you wondering why people changed. Just look at this pseudo secular's words.
https://www.opindia.com/2020/08/the...kumar-mob-has-religion-only-when-it-is-hindu/

People like him changed Hindu's and forcing them towards current dispensation. What is so hard to acknowledge radical Islam?
Your statement is part of the issue - radicalism exists in all religions.

Why focus solely on 'radical Islam', instead of 'radicalization of religion' in general?
 
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Your statement is part of the issue - radicalism exists on all religions.

Why focus solely on 'radical Islam', instead of 'radicalization of religion' in general?

I never said not to highlight radicals from other religion but why to hide about one particular religion?
And this is Indian secularism all about. After induction of social media people know this reality so you seeing this change.
 
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I never said not to highlight radicals from other religion but why to hide about one particular religion?
And this is Indian secularism all about. After induction of social media people know this reality so you seeing this change.

So instead of "hiding a characteristic" about one particular religion you are singling out one particular religion when that same characteristic applies to all religions?
 
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Secularism in India proposed by Nehru is a dead idea to say the least. Cause the secularism they intended to bring in a country where most people are religious to the core is bound to fail at some point of time. Back in his time most people were too uneducated to grasp the basic of that so it survived. But since Indians are getting more and more educated and holding positions of power the views of most Indians are getting reflected more and more .

In sub continent religion will never loose it' shine it will always be reflected in everyday life through families , dealings and behaviour. So something to be done which can accomodate religion and public wellbeing where everyone is respected regardless of their religious affiliation. Secular or not it matters little if public life is not improved and individuals are not respected .
 
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I never said not to highlight radicals from other religion but why to hide about one particular religion?
And this is Indian secularism all about. After induction of social media people know this reality so you seeing this change.
You specifically said 'what is so hard to acknowledge about radical Islam', and not 'what is so hard to acknowledge about radicalization of religion'?

Stating the latter would require many to address radicalization of Hinduism as much as radicalization of Islam, and I don't many in the majority in India are comfortable with that.
 
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I never said not to highlight radicals from other religion but why to hide about one particular religion?
And this is Indian secularism all about. After induction of social media people know this reality so you seeing this change.
Social media is the hub of misinformation and many a times people lack the ability to dissect the truth from falsehood.
 
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Repsect their believes, uphold their personal laws and don't interfere in matters of their religion and you will have peace in your country.

That was a brilliant answer, to some other question, not to the one asked.
 
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India is neither secular nor a liberal democracy.

Perhaps you should read the question once again, carefully. :D

It seems like you go through life being confronted by questions of your own making, that have different meanings from the ones that the questioners intended. Must be a tough life.
 
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But yes, Muslims can be a vital part of democracies too. Look at me, making six figures in Germany and getting along with the Germans pretty well. You know why? Because I am allowed to practice my religion freely and make money here.

Without violating German laws.

The problem - I say this as a liberal, as a hater of bigotry, and as a secular minded Indian - is that in India, we have either opportunist politicians allowing Muslims to bend the law, and defending them with their power and influence once they have done so, or, without egging them on, defending them when they get into trouble, even trouble that they have deserved.

I am not talking about the situation today, when being a Muslim is a crime in itself to some north Indian states; I am talking of the difficulties that some faced with the privileges extended to Muslims merely for the sake of cheap popularity, privileges that extended beyond respect for their legitimate practices and religious rituals.
 
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