A NEW AIRCRAFT FOR PAF

[aamirzs]

We talk too much because we love Pakistan and want to see better in everything.

 

[Super Falcon]

Agreed for what?

They talk much on buying at the end nothing comes

 

[zeeshan shaani]

They talk much on buying at the end nothing comes

Yup that is why i asked to close the thread untill some official news comes. As we all know we have less resources so it is better to talk less on ruomers.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

If kind people would stop comparing themselves and their country to their eastern neighbour... you would be able to see your country in a totally different and perhaps true light.

Do you have anything in common with them? Did you not have enormous impact on their culture and language? Their cousine?

You ruled them for 1000 years and them packed your bags and went back to your natural habitat. Think about it.

Your country is a quite capable regional power. From Central Aisa to entire ME.

Why this obvious fact can not be seen?

Now the new aircraft is going to be your own design with collabratioin with your two reliable partners.

Turks and Chinese.

Give it five years to emerge as design process completes. More than 70% is going to be local.

This will create jobs and industrial base. But most importantly this will add to your comprehensive national power. Industrial and diplomatic.

Patience bears fruits and freedom.

Buying from someone else even China will destroy your comprehensive national power.

Given your track record till now you have always managed to pull rabbits out of your mysterious hat as a state.

This time around you are not starting from zero. Please, don't forget that.

Your JF is 4+ in the making. Next logcial progress will be a medium semi stealth platform to replace your F16s.

PAF is doing quite well, despite some apparent mistakes. They have been emotionally judged here on PDF. Change your paradigm. Is the lack of money not a blessing for you? If it forces you to build your own... ME conturies have spent trillions on weapons... can they build anything? Do they have any real power? Apart from money.

A fiveth generation (not to be compared with the US) is then no problem.

This is all rational and logical progression. Patience.

Your eastern neighbour doesn't have the capacity to launch a war against you.

They cann't even execute a naval blockade. Brovado of Indian posters not withstanding.

No offence is intended to Indians at all. Appologies if it is so percieved.

Somehow your defence planners have pulled this one off. But don't just go on jubilation quite yet.
First consolidate your comprehensive national power.

Build your own jets. Refuse anything even given free.

For now PAF is doing quite clever thing to buy dirt cheap F16 and upgrading them with Turkish partners.
This gives them ten years breathing space. Quite wise move, really.

Do not think in terms plane to plane ratios...think the totallity of your assets.

After 15 years of war and destruction you are still standing and getting stronger...

Keep going forward. Build your own stuff even if it is made of plywood. From ships to plane to land based systems.

Never forget for a single moment that you are a very strong regional power.
From Central Asia to ME. All you have to to do now is build.

One hopes that there never be a conflict in your region. A conflict that no one can win. A conflict that will be destructive for entire Asia.

Just forget about your eastern neighbour as comparison.

You ruled them and packed your bags and went home. Naturally they are not happy about it. And would like nothing more than exact a revenge.

Build your own. Now for the first time you truly can.

 

[MastanKhan]

Am sure I will be shot down for this, but do we need such a huge defence budget at the cost of investing in our people with health, education and water?

Defending our borders is paramount, but are there better ways to do it ?

Britain and Germany bombed each other to hell, yet now their economies are so intertwined, same with Vietnam and USA

People are risking their lives to emigrate, suggests we have the balance wrong.

New shiny imported toys don't make us a great nation, a state that educates and supports its population does.

Did you know in 34 years our population will reach 300 million and rising, education and health services are the only real population control, there is a direct correlation.

Anyway, I doubt this post will make any difference, but everything has a knock on effect and I hope I have raised some awareness.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-buy-chinese-submarines.387619/page-23#ixzz4DqOGDUNM

Hi,

But only if one of those two nations was muslim---then we would see if any progress was made.

Both are christian nations and having shared monarchy---it is no big deal that they are together.

 

[Tipu7]

Am sure I will be shot down for this, but do we need such a huge defence budget at the cost of investing in our people with health, education and water?

Huge Budget?
Lowest in region. 27th largest in World for 6th largest Military.....
If you want Education, water, health, then extract budget from Orange Train, metro, youth competition & Luxury tours of our elite from our tax payer money.
Plus bring credible people to spend that money, other wise this whole spending in the name of health, education will end up in corruption .......

Am sure I will be shot down for this, but do we need such a huge defence budget at the cost of investing in our people with health, education and water?

Defending our borders is paramount, but are there better ways to do it ?

Britain and Germany bombed each other to hell, yet now their economies are so intertwined, same with Vietnam and USA

People are risking their lives to emigrate, suggests we have the balance wrong.

New shiny imported toys don't make us a great nation, a state that educates and supports its population does.

Did you know in 34 years our population will reach 300 million and rising, education and health services are the only real population control, there is a direct correlation.

Anyway, I doubt this post will make any difference, but everything has a knock on effect and I hope I have raised some awareness.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-buy-chinese-submarines.387619/page-23#ixzz4DqOGDUNM

You are just copy pasting one comment in many threads. You have been answered before in effective way in similar thread from which you are copying.....

 

[Jana Assassin]

i think cost and infrastructure would be same for EF2000 and Su 35 FOR PAK.My idea is its Ef 2000 due to same plane ordered by Kuwait ,oman recently forget about KSA kind of common platform among .


Cant wait to see these jets in Pak Colors while Modi Dhoti getting wet getting Slap from everwhere

Delusional guy who thinks pak can afford EF2000 wen they cant evn buy F-16s without subsidy...

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Delusional guy who thinks pak can afford EF2000 wen they cant evn buy F-16s without subsidy...

We can... But it was concluded that it would not be worth it.

 

[Jana Assassin]

Because India isn't China India is always cry to the world that not sell their topnotch weapons to Pakistan and your logic is inaccurate Mr, in the front of Chinese military might Vietnam military is nothing

U will nevr get cutting edge Russian weaponry in the near future period.

 

[Tipu7]

I love the way how Indian statements changed from

You will never get any weapon sub system from Russia (RD93 contract)

To

You will never get any weapon system from Russia (Mi35 contract)

To

You will never get any cutting edge weapon from Russia (Su35 contract)

U will nevr get cutting edge Russian weaponry in the near future period.

 

[fitpOsitive]

U will nevr get cutting edge Russian weaponry in the near future period.

Why?

 

[Wolf]

Huge Budget?
Lowest in region. 27th largest in World for 6th largest Military.....
If you want Education, water, health, then extract budget from Orange Train, metro, youth competition & Luxury tours of our elite from our tax payer money.
Plus bring credible people to spend that money, other wise this whole spending in the name of health, education will end up in corruption .......

You are just copy pasting one comment in many threads. You have been answered before in effective way in similar thread from which you are copying.....

don't worry, the person you responded to seems some filth ridden noonie toon. May belong to noon media cell with only objective of maligning armed forces with their pathetic intellect and goofy arguments.
Rs. 200 billion being spent on orange train. And these anti state noonies don't talk about diverting orange train money to education and health because steel and other related materials for orange train is coming from ittefaq foundary. Only one Habib construction company is being given all contracts in Lahore and these are front men of noonie brothers.

 

[Basel]

best is to evolve the jf-17; get a better engine, more composites - this is just the start. focus on local innovation and R&D vs buying. If there is a will there is a way; look at us, it did not take long for us to completely remake the mirage into Cheetah or evolve the impala. Just after '94 the political will for not to have a large standing force disappeared.

Best is to take Thunder to Super Thunder level like Hornet to Super Hornet and also start work on 5th gen with Turkey or China or with both in local project.

 

[denel]

Best is to take Thunder to Super Thunder level like Hornet to Super Hornet and also start work on 5th gen with Turkey or China or with both in local project.

agreed - 200%. With jf-17 foundational design completely functional and in the field; it continues to evolve in many ways like kaizen; there are 2 full decades ahead to take it to completely new level.

 

[Super Falcon]

SU 35 is what we need for stop gap platform world is changing enemies are changing their tactics