A NEW AIRCRAFT FOR PAF

[Zarvan]

Thats something like a good news
Do you have any video of that zarvan bhai

Those meetings are not recorded but it was reported in all media

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

I understand Turkey-Pakistan relations
You need to understand what Turkey is capable of
You need to understand the apprehensions about China
those issues are not going away

Turkey itself is getting close with China, so I'm not getting what your point is...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-09/30/c_135723873.htm
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1009075.shtml

 

[Maxpane]

36 Rafael and now this bloody system . Pakistan is really under pressure .

 

[WarFariX]

Is there any new jet coming to PAF? could it be J10B? or C(not in production though)????Very less chances of SU-35 or Typhoon . Could it be Yak-130?

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

what do you people fracking speculate 3 times a day?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Is there any new jet coming to PAF? could it be J10B? or C(not in production though)????Very less chances of SU-35 or Typhoon . Could it be Yak-130?

similar thread is already running on PDF should be close, @Oscar, @waz , please close this thread

 

[Viking 63]

close this thread please...

 

[Gryphon]

It is not Turkey who is the issue. BAE Systems and other American/European companies would be barred from the project

Why are you so worried about China getting access to Western technology when it seems these companies are not concerned at all?

I assume TFX is being developed by TAI (using Turkish money) and these companies are just providing assistance. China is far ahead when it comes to 5th gen fighter technology. J-20 and J-31 are known to have benefited from F-22/F-35 data stolen by the Chinese via 'cyber attacks'

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The f16 was bankrolled by American taxpayers
Jf17 was partially bankrolled by China
Who is going to pay for new aircraft?

Pakistan paid for the 18 Block-52+ and munitions package from its own national funds. The MLU program was listed as partly FMF backed, though to what extent is not known. The JF-17 Block-Is were bought on loans, so Pakistan is due (if isn't doing so already) to pay that back.

 

[Asifkamal]

Well. 1.4 billion dollars were to be paid for 36 j10 as it was planned before. Maybe, with new systems its price goes to 50 million dollars. But we have to pay for it. 1.8 billion dollars in 4 years spane is nothing. Consider if we were back in 2003 era, where we had only 32 F16 with no BVR capabilities, what indian could,ve done with us in past 2 weeks. Here ppl are talking about Eurofighter like planes, That's something, we can,t afford.

 

[The Accountant]

Bro

Well. 1.4 billion dollars were to be paid for 36 j10 as it was planned before. Maybe, with new systems its price goes to 50 million dollars. But we have to pay for it. 1.8 billion dollars in 4 years spane is nothing. Consider if we were back in 2003 era, where we had only 32 F16 with no BVR capabilities, what indian could,ve done with us in past 2 weeks. Here ppl are talking about Eurofighter like planes, That's something, we can,t afford.

Bro are yyou suggesting we are going to field j10 against rafael ?

China is no where near usa when it comes to avionics ... Most importantly ECM ... So mayy be j10 is equivallent or even better than f16 but cant compete f16 ECM and other electronic sensors whereas rafael is much advanced than f16 ... So j10 and f16 will both like sitting ducks for rafael ...

We have to get another air superiority fighter as capable as rafael ...,

 

[Asifkamal]

I do,t think F16 will be a sitting duck against rafale, though time and again it will need upgradation.As I,ve mentioned , indians are now searching for single engine fighter aircraft to replace big numbers( Mig21,s and 27,s). So most probably do,t think of Grippen to be offered to us( Indian airforce was in favour of it even before rafale deal). Eurofighter is very costly and all we can purchase is some numbers of Trench1 fighters from Italy as we have good defence relationship.
I do,t think Russia will deliver us Su35 ever. Jet engines, gunship helicopters, joint exercises that is maximum.
We got F16 in 2006 order as we aredoing some apologies?? That we need them in war against terrorism and some senetors were objecting that why we need Aamraam then? To fight talibaans , we do,t need them. America will not give us more F16 and if given, chances are that no more future upgradation.( Though fighter aircrafts are sold for political and future finencial prospects as well, as american threatend us embargo of F16 parts when we were about to choose Airbus as passengers aircraft some years before).
What left is J10 . Eassily available on shirt term notice and much much cheaper than other options. America is planning to upgrade its F15,s to be better than J10.

 

[The Eagle]

Air Chief Marshal Sohail Amman meets Finance Minister
Posted By: News Desk on: October 14, 2016

ISLAMABAD: (APP) Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman called on the Finance Minister Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar here on Thursday.

The Air Chief briefed the minister about preparedness of the Air Force and appreciated government’s support for up gradation of the force, a statement issued by Ministry of Finance here on Thursday said.

Finance minister appreciated the professionalism of Pakistan Air Force and the steps taken for indigenous technological development undertaken by them to modernize the force.

He said that Pakistan Air Force has played a critical and important role to compliment the Zarb-e-Azb operation against terrorists.

The minister assured the Air Chief that fulfilling the defence requirements is the first priority of the government.

He said the government acknowledges the services rendered by the air force for the country and continues to ensure that all their requirements are catered for by the government on emergent basis.

The meeting was attended by officials of the Pakistan Air Force and Ministry of Finance.

I wish to believe you but many seniors here refute any such opportunities.

It is not like that but let it be through an official statement rather than following the mere media hypes that causes embarrassment mostly. Also, you have to look at such development through many aspects as well as our financial constraints and mostly the Doctrine. One thing for sure is, PAF is full of surprises even if sometimes it hurts or gives a chance to cheer for but we are in habit to keep things under wrap till suitable time hence nothing is concrete as to be believed currently. Just look at this by another view that when PAF is not stating anything publicly about any new procurement, why would someone disclose to a friend or relative about such development while compromising the national security. The best we can do is analyze the situation, connect the dots, keep in view the developments and track record while reading the news as well. However, keeping an eye is not a bad thing so hopefully, things would be turned out to be good.

 

[Gryphon]

Air Chief Marshal Sohail Amman meets Finance Minister
Posted By: News Desk on: October 14, 2016

ISLAMABAD: (APP) Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman called on the Finance Minister Senator Mohammad Ishaq Dar here on Thursday.

The Air Chief briefed the minister about preparedness of the Air Force and appreciated government’s support for up gradation of the force, a statement issued by Ministry of Finance here on Thursday said.

Finance minister appreciated the professionalism of Pakistan Air Force and the steps taken for indigenous technological development undertaken by them to modernize the force.

He said that Pakistan Air Force has played a critical and important role to compliment the Zarb-e-Azb operation against terrorists.

The minister assured the Air Chief that fulfilling the defence requirements is the first priority of the government.

He said the government acknowledges the services rendered by the air force for the country and continues to ensure that all their requirements are catered for by the government on emergent basis.

The meeting was attended by officials of the Pakistan Air Force and Ministry of Finance.



It is not like that but let it be through an official statement rather than following the mere media hypes that causes embarrassment mostly. Also, you have to look at such development through many aspects as well as our financial constraints and mostly the Doctrine. One thing for sure is, PAF is full of surprises even if sometimes it hurts or gives a chance to cheer for but we are in habit to keep things under wrap till suitable time hence nothing is concrete as to be believed currently. Just look at this by another view that when PAF is not stating anything publicly about any new procurement, why would someone disclose to a friend or relative about such development while compromising the national security. The best we can do is analyze the situation, connect the dots, keep in view the developments and track record while reading the news as well. However, keeping an eye is not a bad thing so hopefully, things would be turned out to be good.

Fighter jets can't remain 'hidden' for long. PAF knows it needs at least two squadrons of twin-engine 4.5 gen aircraft. But the Govt. does not have the money and PAF is forced to buy SAMs as a 'stop gap'.

These SAMs don't come cheap either. 9 LY-80 systems were purchased for US$ 599 million and 8 IBIS-150 radars for US$ 40 million. I believe 7 more LY-80 systems will be purchased. This will ensure AD for all major airfields of PAF.

I assume PAF is looking into a future scenario when Pakistani and Indian airspace will be protected with LR-SAMs like HQ-9 & S-400. Current PAF aircraft (with possible F-16V upgrade) and JF-17 Block 3's will be used as interceptors. And a 5th gen fighter can be used for strike missions.

 

[The Eagle]

Fighter jets can't remain 'hidden' for long. PAF knows it needs at least two squadrons of twin-engine 4.5 gen aircraft. But the Govt. does not have the money and PAF is forced to buy SAMs as a 'stop gap'.

These SAMs don't come cheap either. 9 LY-80 systems were purchased for US$ 599 million and 8 IBIS-150 radars for US$ 40 million. I believe 7 more LY-80 systems will be purchased. This will ensure AD for all major airfields of PAF.

I assume PAF is looking into a future scenario when Pakistani and Indian airspace will be protected with LR-SAMs like HQ-9 & S-400. Current PAF aircraft (with possible F-16V upgrade) and JF-17 Block 3's will be used as interceptors. And a 5th gen fighter used for strike missions.

In category of SAMs, I can only say as, we are going upward tier by tier as fully covered through HQ-16 (LY-80) in mid range then IMO we will be going for HQ-9 (LRSAMs).

Rest about new platform procurement, indeed we are in need but finance is more of the subject before going for such shopping however, currently it is nothing except JF-17 Block-III as planned and if there are talks then are under wrap for good reason until the suitable times including to avoid the diplomatic interference by the rival as on other hand we have been playing "short on budget" thing that Ishaq Dar has to get more loans from IMF and if such procurement disclosed in these times would most probably alarm the IMF. Therefore, I stated that no need to pay attention for new procurement news until & unless any official statement however PAF is need and did brief the house time to time about the requirements but strategies and inductions are planned as per available money.