A muslim man denied German citizenship for refusing to shake woman's hand

[SecularNationalist]

Why not????

Some people don't shake hands because they are germaphobes

For supposed free societies they seem quite belligerent

His reason for not shaking hand was not germophobic.
He is apparently some narrow minded religious hypocrite of low moral values.

 

[dani92]

Yes, but you would cry when I would say that Idol-worshipping Hindus should leave Muslim Pakistan, because Muslims don’t like idols. You liberals are hypocrites and only here to appease white masters.

See I make six figures here in Germany, my parents and grandparents left Pakistan due to economic reasons. I didn’t become a beer-drinking wife-swapping German advocating gay marriage. I am a tax payer and a law-abiding citizen without accepting everything they find ok. This is called identity, Muslim identity to be more specific.

Since 2015 everybody could come to Germany and demand asylum. There are so many violent and criminal foreigners, living in welfare, here who were naturalized decades ago with no problem. But a Muslim doctor who didn’t harm anybody is not a good candidate for citizenship? There is something that is called religious freedom. Like you liberals want 100 Hindu mandirs in Islamabad to show the world how woke and tolerant you are but at the Same Time you deny Muslims their own personal freedom.

This is just plain islamophobia of a narrow-minded people. Strip the citizenship of those criminals and welfarers first, then you can condemn the personal freedom of a Muslim.

Pakistan is the land of Hindus and Buddhists before Islam hypocrite unlike the west which was never Islamic lands.

 

[Iltutmish]

good if he can not adopt culture and values of Germany he should go to hell

I am not adopted too, should I go to hell as well? Man you are an islamophobe atheist troll, you cry religious freedom for everybody but Muslims. You liberals can go to hell and you definitely will.

Hindus are also not adopted to Pakistani culture because of idol worshipping, should we take their citizenship away? No?

Hence he didn't pass the naturalization test.

There is no such test. You must live at least 8 years in Germany, have a Job and a school leaving certificate. Everything else depends literally on the mood of the official.

 

[Imran Khan]

I am not adopted too, should I go to hell as well? Man you are an islamophobe atheist troll, you cry religious freedom for everybody but Muslims. You liberals can go to hell and you definitely will.

Hindus are also not adopted to Pakistani culture because of idol worshipping, should we take their citizenship away? No?


There is no such test. You must live at least 8 years in Germany, have a Job and a school leaving certificate. Everything else depends literally on the mood of the official.

they should revoke your citizenship as terror suspect

 

[khansaheeb]

Why do these people go to Europe in first place? I mean if you are so much of an extremist in your religious beliefs that you cant even shake hands of a woman then you deserve this treatment. Why these Salafists travel to the land of infidels to get their citizenship? It is such an insult to other person that they extend a hand and you dont respond in kind.

They go to Europe to shake more than women's hands, no objection there.

 

[Cherub786]

I even avoid shaking hands with non-Muslim men. Hopefully due to this Chinese pandemic the culture of handshaking will be dropped in the West altogether. It will only be practiced among us Muslims internally as a Sunnah of greeting fellow Believers of the same gender.

 

[Imran Khan]

His reason for not shaking hand was not germophobic.
He is apparently some narrow minded religious hypocrite of low moral values.

he want enjoy the life of west but want to keep his talibani mind in him hidden . munafiqs

 

[dani92]

His reason for not shaking hand was not germophobic.
He is apparently some narrow minded religious hypocrite of low moral values.

See these scumbags say it’s haram to shake female hand but it’s not haram to live in infidel country in the first place

 

[Iltutmish]

he want enjoy the life of west but want to keep his talibani mind in him hidden . munafiqs

Hidden? I think he was pretty honest about his views. Being a conservative Muslim is not a crime in the West. He is good enough to treat German citizens but is not allowed to become one due to his religious believes? He didn't harm anybody.

See I live in Germany, I know the laws and what is expected and what not. I know guys living on welfare and with a criminal record who were naturalized because the official liked their story - German officials have some margin of discretion too. If you have German descent you can also get the citizenship without speaking one word German. A "German" from Russia was naturalized this way and later murdered a pregnant Muslim women in a court room 2009!

Murder of Marwa El-Sherbini - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You definetliy need ot check on your views first. You are tolerant towards anything but Islam and Muslims. And this is Nifaq of the highest order.

 

[dani92]

he want enjoy the life of west but want to keep his talibani mind in him hidden . munafiqs

And when you tell them why you want to live in the west they tell you they destroyed and colonized our lands so they must let us in and they have to accept our taliban I mentality in their countries.

 

[Imran Khan]

And when you tell them why you want to live in the west they tell you they destroyed and colonized our lands so they must let us in and they have to accept our taliban I mentality in their countries.

there is no colony today its BS axcuse . muslims are fighting own dirty wars even tiny qatar and UAE acting like sponsors these days

See these scumbags say it’s haram to shake female hand but it’s not haram to live in infidel country in the first place

and get benifits from gov which were earned from even pork and alcohol profits taxes too

 

[dani92]

there is no colony today its BS axcuse . muslims are fighting own dirty wars even tiny qatar and UAE acting like sponsors these days

and get benifits from gov which were earned from even pork and alcohol profits taxes too

Exactly they pay taxes to the western governments that use the money to kill other Muslims and receive money from the infidel governments that get it from pork, nightclubs and alcohol taxes lol.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Ye to HATH hogia.

 

[UKBengali]

how will he checkup a woman if he doesn’t want handshaking a woman ?

Since he has been a doctor for many years in Germany I presume that this has not been an issue.

If he needs to check a woman as part of his medical duties then he does it.

Shaking hands with a woman for citizenship is not required to carry out his professional duties and so he does not want to do it.

 

[My-Analogous]

The man aced the German naturalization test, but refused to shake hands with the female official handing over his citizenship. Despite claims he will not shake hands with men either, his citizenship has been rejected.

German court ruled on Friday that a Muslim man who refused to shake the hand of a woman should not receive German citizenship.

The 40-year-old Lebanese doctor, who came to Germany in 2002, said he refuses to shake women's hands for religious reasons.

The Administrative Court of Baden-Württemberg (VGH) ruled that someone who rejects a handshake due to a "fundamentalist conception of culture and values" because they see women as "a danger of sexual temptation" was thereby rejecting "integration into German living conditions."

Promise to his wife
The doctor studied medicine in Germany and now works as a senior physician in a clinic. He applied for citizenship through naturalization in 2012, for which he signed a declaration of loyalty to the German constitution and against extremism. He passed the naturalization test with the best possible score.

Nevertheless, he was not granted citizenship because he refused to shake hands with the responsible official when the naturalization certificate was handed over in 2015. The woman therefore withheld the certificate and rejected the application.

He argued that he had promised his wife not to shake hands with another woman.


His petition against the ruling was unsuccessful before the Stuttgart Administrative Court and he appealed to the VGH. Following its decision Saturday, the court said that the man can appeal to the Federal Administrative Court due to the fundamental significance of the case.


The VGH described a handshake as a common nonverbal greeting and farewell ritual, which are independent of the sex of the involved parties, adding that the practice goes back centuries.

The judge found that the handshake also has a legal meaning, in that it symbolizes the conclusion of a contract.

The handshake is therefore "deeply rooted in social, cultural and legal life, which shapes the way we live together," the judge said.

The court found that anyone who refuses to shake hands on gender-specific grounds is in breach of the equality enshrined in the German constitution.

Read more: Religion no justification for not shaking teacher's hand, Swiss authorities rule In addition, the man's refusal in this case had the effect of lending validity to a "Salafist perspective" on the social ramifications of relations between men and women. The court said that it made no difference that the man has now declared he will not shake hands with men either.

The man claimed he wanted to affirm the equality of men and women, but the court found that this was merely a tactical move.

The handshake ruling was also handed down despite health officials cautioning against handshaking right now due to the coronavirus pandemic. The judge said he was convinced that the practice would survive the pandemic.

aw/rs (dpa, AFP, epd)

What next? Europe have such a hypocrisy