A Masterstroke by India!

[Sliver]

Do you think China would happily go building roads without anticipating opposition from India ?

thats exactly what triggered this episode in the first place - right?

 

[ashok321]

Meanwhile, Modi relies on Trump who called him today:
Trump calls up Modi, greets him on I-Day:

 

[SingaporeGuy]

thats exactly what triggered this episode in the first place - right?

The construction of the road is an excuse for invading India to recover disputed areas.

 

[Srinivas]

Very well written and your article points to the reality.

A Masterstroke by India – Creating a Calculated Dilemma for the Great Dragon

Mangus Ortus Novem


So much water has flown in Ganges and Yangtze without any fuss or care about both India and China that many droughts, many lives could have been saved. Yet, everyday there is a new thread about the so-called Sino-Indian stand-off.

To say that there is no stand-off is an understatement and doesn’t do justice to the Indian strategy. As strategy which has been long in the making, with each scenario thoroughly analysed and well-rehearsed. The credit must be given where it is due. And given it must.

China was taken by utter surprise and disbelief that ensued has now given way to clod realisation that India has decided that it has come of age and now will challenge the Dragon head on every front as equal if not morally superior.

Be it OBOR (with CPEC as convenient excuse), be it Eurasian integration through Sino-Rus SCO or be it overall global financial architecture that both China and Russia are so avidly pursuing for some time now. India has decided to come into its own and make its presence felt globally. What better way that directly challenging the emerging global centre of financial and geo-economic gravity.

All the signs were there… be it CPEC related protests or sudden love for Balochistan. Or trying to bring China’s right arm in South Asia, ME and OIC – Pakistan through all means necessary, media, diplomacy or covert actions all and more. It has nothing to do with Pakistan and all the do with China. By going full frontal on Pak, Indians estimated that the right arm of China will become manageable thus weakening the Chinese strategic stranglehold on India from the South Asian box.

The dedicated media and military pronouncements about two front war and later 2.5 front wars should have been noted by the PRC thinkers and analysts. Dalai Lama’s visit to South Tibet and that too with US man… signs were there.

The growing geo-political and military-technical in strategic terms between the US and India combined with Asian Pivot strategy.. concerts of democracies and all that jazz… was obviously understood by the PRC for what it was and is.

The NK, SCS and ECS together with key events in the PRC’s diplomatic and national calendar where too opportune a moment to let go for the scenarios that the Indians have been war-gaming for some time now.

China truly underestimated the urge Indians have been feeling and showing to be treated as equal to PRC is every aspect. By providing two notifications to Indians of pending road construction, the PRC thought that it was going by the book and apart from SOP response from the Indian MEA nothing unmanageable will occur. Bhutan is just smoke screen and everyone knows it. No need to waste a breath on this one.

By its forceful action and that too in the Chinese territory the Indians have thrown a complex challenge to the Dragon. Since, PRC is preoccupied with so many issues and challenges in this timeframe timing could have not been better for the Indian strategists. So, hats need to tipped to the Indians on this one.

Yet every crisis is an opportunity to the cultivated Chinese Mind. This current and blatant challenge by India offers great rewards laced with greater risks. Patience, forbearance and benign neglect? Or restoring the pecking order?

That there is an inevitable conflict between the Dragon and the Elephant is a given. It is question of opportune moment. There can be only one dominant actor in the crowded neighbourhood.

It is also natural for a state a India to create more strategic space for itself to realise its global ambitions and rightful potential. It is a question of timing, fruits of brilliant execution devoid of rhetoric.

In the current scenario the Indians win if China does nothing. And next time the Indians will feel more ‘empowered’ to act with more resolve. In such a case, the PRC will not only loose face in front of the Chinese people but also in North East Asia, South East Asia and Africa. A new Pandora’s box to be opened and to be put back by China then. All the decades of meticulous planning and unmatched execution goes to waste. Can it be acceptable to China?

In case restoring the pecking order and forcing Indians out of the Chinese territory will deliver so many political benefits to Mr. Modi both in domestic and international arena that this will be godsend. And there is also a very large NRI and military-equipment-for-profit Indian eco-system that stand to benefit from such an outcome.

India has calculated that it has only to gain by its self-assured, muscular and strategic action. So, far it has only created problem for China and benefits for India’s ruling elite.

However, the fundamental question that needs avid thought is whether China allow itself to be utilised as such as the Indian strategists have calculated?

Please, remember it is not about Bhutan or that barren strip of land. It is about India directly challenging China and trying to change the status quo in Asia and Africa. Does anyone still remember the Indo-Japanese counter plan to OBOR?

What are the benefits China is going to get from this Dilemma, courtesy of our Indian friends?

 

[ranjeet]

The construction of the road is an excuse for invading India to recover disputed areas.

Must have made a move in "South Tibet" instead of a smaller nation like Bhutan. Be a man and do the right thing.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

Must have made a move in "South Tibet" instead of a smaller nation like Bhutan. Be a man and do the right thing.

Im quite sure the chinese military strategists are thinking of another way to move the chess pieces for maximum output.

If China doesnt take this chance to attack india, she wont have the chance again since the modernisation of indian armed forces only just begun...

all it takes a slightly decent effort.

India wont be able to use much troops since most are facing pakistan...

 

[WhyCry]

A Masterstroke by India – Creating a Calculated Dilemma for the Great Dragon

Mangus Ortus Novem


So much water has flown in Ganges and Yangtze without any fuss or care about both India and China that many droughts, many lives could have been saved. Yet, everyday there is a new thread about the so-called Sino-Indian stand-off.

To say that there is no stand-off is an understatement and doesn’t do justice to the Indian strategy. As strategy which has been long in the making, with each scenario thoroughly analysed and well-rehearsed. The credit must be given where it is due. And given it must.

China was taken by utter surprise and disbelief that ensued has now given way to clod realisation that India has decided that it has come of age and now will challenge the Dragon head on every front as equal if not morally superior.

Be it OBOR (with CPEC as convenient excuse), be it Eurasian integration through Sino-Rus SCO or be it overall global financial architecture that both China and Russia are so avidly pursuing for some time now. India has decided to come into its own and make its presence felt globally. What better way that directly challenging the emerging global centre of financial and geo-economic gravity.

All the signs were there… be it CPEC related protests or sudden love for Balochistan. Or trying to bring China’s right arm in South Asia, ME and OIC – Pakistan through all means necessary, media, diplomacy or covert actions all and more. It has nothing to do with Pakistan and all the do with China. By going full frontal on Pak, Indians estimated that the right arm of China will become manageable thus weakening the Chinese strategic stranglehold on India from the South Asian box.

The dedicated media and military pronouncements about two front war and later 2.5 front wars should have been noted by the PRC thinkers and analysts. Dalai Lama’s visit to South Tibet and that too with US man… signs were there.

The growing geo-political and military-technical in strategic terms between the US and India combined with Asian Pivot strategy.. concerts of democracies and all that jazz… was obviously understood by the PRC for what it was and is.

The NK, SCS and ECS together with key events in the PRC’s diplomatic and national calendar where too opportune a moment to let go for the scenarios that the Indians have been war-gaming for some time now.

China truly underestimated the urge Indians have been feeling and showing to be treated as equal to PRC is every aspect. By providing two notifications to Indians of pending road construction, the PRC thought that it was going by the book and apart from SOP response from the Indian MEA nothing unmanageable will occur. Bhutan is just smoke screen and everyone knows it. No need to waste a breath on this one.

By its forceful action and that too in the Chinese territory the Indians have thrown a complex challenge to the Dragon. Since, PRC is preoccupied with so many issues and challenges in this timeframe timing could have not been better for the Indian strategists. So, hats need to tipped to the Indians on this one.

Yet every crisis is an opportunity to the cultivated Chinese Mind. This current and blatant challenge by India offers great rewards laced with greater risks. Patience, forbearance and benign neglect? Or restoring the pecking order?

That there is an inevitable conflict between the Dragon and the Elephant is a given. It is question of opportune moment. There can be only one dominant actor in the crowded neighbourhood.

It is also natural for a state a India to create more strategic space for itself to realise its global ambitions and rightful potential. It is a question of timing, fruits of brilliant execution devoid of rhetoric.

In the current scenario the Indians win if China does nothing. And next time the Indians will feel more ‘empowered’ to act with more resolve. In such a case, the PRC will not only loose face in front of the Chinese people but also in North East Asia, South East Asia and Africa. A new Pandora’s box to be opened and to be put back by China then. All the decades of meticulous planning and unmatched execution goes to waste. Can it be acceptable to China?

In case restoring the pecking order and forcing Indians out of the Chinese territory will deliver so many political benefits to Mr. Modi both in domestic and international arena that this will be godsend. And there is also a very large NRI and military-equipment-for-profit Indian eco-system that stand to benefit from such an outcome.

India has calculated that it has only to gain by its self-assured, muscular and strategic action. So, far it has only created problem for China and benefits for India’s ruling elite.

However, the fundamental question that needs avid thought is whether China allow itself to be utilised as such as the Indian strategists have calculated?

Please, remember it is not about Bhutan or that barren strip of land. It is about India directly challenging China and trying to change the status quo in Asia and Africa. Does anyone still remember the Indo-Japanese counter plan to OBOR?

What are the benefits China is going to get from this Dilemma, courtesy of our Indian friends?

While I agree with most of you, I fear a more responsive action can lead to a darker times. The problem here is that since these are two oldest civilizations this will not just be a small war and the hatred will be carried forward for years and become people's war just like with pakistan.

China has been encroaching and nibbling away territory since it enjoys a larger military power and are setting this as the "NEW" status quo (SCS is an example).

China's communist regime is mostly cemented on the neverseen growth rates during the past two decades. They did bubbled the numbers since they wanted the investments to come. But their economy is slowly reaching a standstill. Xi needs this time to prop-up the nationalist sentiments so as to continue the rule of the party. He has already made himself the incharge of the Military complex (commander in charge of all the three forces).

China runs trade deficit with both US and India by huge margins. It has the most to lose. Moreover, US has already started the proceedings to ban chinese company and investment in US with NK crisis and also the intellectual property issues. India has been slow on the outright ban but very effective in anti-dumping duty. But they have allowed the investment to come in to influence the economy.

With china's communist party already on the brink of being anti-india and India becoming more aggressive and responsive. With these juxtaposing situations, its exciting times ahead.

 

[ranjeet]

Im quite sure the chinese military strategists are thinking of another way to move the chess pieces for maximum output.

If China doesnt take this chance to attack india, she wont have the chance again since the modernisation of indian armed forces only just begun...

all it takes a slightly decent effort.

India wont be able to use much troops since most are facing pakistan...

No if it was a confrontation that China was looking for with India I am sure they should have poked us directly.

 

[Jackdaws]

Meanwhile, Modi relies on Trump who called him today:
Trump calls up Modi, greets him on I-Day:

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Ignored

China was never meant to be dominate Asia - it was to play second fiddle to Japan in one half of Asia and to India in the other half. It is a quirk of history that for some 50-60 years it got a bit of prominence. Normal service will resume sooner rather than later.

 

[Chellam]

Im quite sure the chinese military strategists are thinking of another way to move the chess pieces for maximum output.

If China doesnt take this chance to attack india, she wont have the chance again since the modernisation of indian armed forces only just begun...

all it takes a slightly decent effort.

India wont be able to use much troops since most are facing pakistan...

Do remember China has Log boarder with 14 country, if war means are they will leave other place and come here

India Boarder is shorter then china and have deployed almost all the troops in the boarder

 

[xyxmt]

Getting gastric ulcer?

yeah looks like I am getting Indian disease

 

[Thorough Pro]

What a load of 'download"...........

A Masterstroke by India – Creating a Calculated Dilemma for the Great Dragon

Mangus Ortus Novem


So much water has flown in Ganges and Yangtze without any fuss or care about both India and China that many droughts, many lives could have been saved. Yet, everyday there is a new thread about the so-called Sino-Indian stand-off.

To say that there is no stand-off is an understatement and doesn’t do justice to the Indian strategy. As strategy which has been long in the making, with each scenario thoroughly analysed and well-rehearsed. The credit must be given where it is due. And given it must.

China was taken by utter surprise and disbelief that ensued has now given way to clod realisation that India has decided that it has come of age and now will challenge the Dragon head on every front as equal if not morally superior.

Be it OBOR (with CPEC as convenient excuse), be it Eurasian integration through Sino-Rus SCO or be it overall global financial architecture that both China and Russia are so avidly pursuing for some time now. India has decided to come into its own and make its presence felt globally. What better way that directly challenging the emerging global centre of financial and geo-economic gravity.

All the signs were there… be it CPEC related protests or sudden love for Balochistan. Or trying to bring China’s right arm in South Asia, ME and OIC – Pakistan through all means necessary, media, diplomacy or covert actions all and more. It has nothing to do with Pakistan and all the do with China. By going full frontal on Pak, Indians estimated that the right arm of China will become manageable thus weakening the Chinese strategic stranglehold on India from the South Asian box.

The dedicated media and military pronouncements about two front war and later 2.5 front wars should have been noted by the PRC thinkers and analysts. Dalai Lama’s visit to South Tibet and that too with US man… signs were there.

The growing geo-political and military-technical in strategic terms between the US and India combined with Asian Pivot strategy.. concerts of democracies and all that jazz… was obviously understood by the PRC for what it was and is.

The NK, SCS and ECS together with key events in the PRC’s diplomatic and national calendar where too opportune a moment to let go for the scenarios that the Indians have been war-gaming for some time now.

China truly underestimated the urge Indians have been feeling and showing to be treated as equal to PRC is every aspect. By providing two notifications to Indians of pending road construction, the PRC thought that it was going by the book and apart from SOP response from the Indian MEA nothing unmanageable will occur. Bhutan is just smoke screen and everyone knows it. No need to waste a breath on this one.

By its forceful action and that too in the Chinese territory the Indians have thrown a complex challenge to the Dragon. Since, PRC is preoccupied with so many issues and challenges in this timeframe timing could have not been better for the Indian strategists. So, hats need to tipped to the Indians on this one.

Yet every crisis is an opportunity to the cultivated Chinese Mind. This current and blatant challenge by India offers great rewards laced with greater risks. Patience, forbearance and benign neglect? Or restoring the pecking order?

That there is an inevitable conflict between the Dragon and the Elephant is a given. It is question of opportune moment. There can be only one dominant actor in the crowded neighbourhood.

It is also natural for a state a India to create more strategic space for itself to realise its global ambitions and rightful potential. It is a question of timing, fruits of brilliant execution devoid of rhetoric.

In the current scenario the Indians win if China does nothing. And next time the Indians will feel more ‘empowered’ to act with more resolve. In such a case, the PRC will not only loose face in front of the Chinese people but also in North East Asia, South East Asia and Africa. A new Pandora’s box to be opened and to be put back by China then. All the decades of meticulous planning and unmatched execution goes to waste. Can it be acceptable to China?

In case restoring the pecking order and forcing Indians out of the Chinese territory will deliver so many political benefits to Mr. Modi both in domestic and international arena that this will be godsend. And there is also a very large NRI and military-equipment-for-profit Indian eco-system that stand to benefit from such an outcome.

India has calculated that it has only to gain by its self-assured, muscular and strategic action. So, far it has only created problem for China and benefits for India’s ruling elite.

However, the fundamental question that needs avid thought is whether China allow itself to be utilised as such as the Indian strategists have calculated?

Please, remember it is not about Bhutan or that barren strip of land. It is about India directly challenging China and trying to change the status quo in Asia and Africa. Does anyone still remember the Indo-Japanese counter plan to OBOR?

What are the benefits China is going to get from this Dilemma, courtesy of our Indian friends?

 

[ito]

China made a new enemy in India.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Lol. Its not a strategic move or so. Its a localised issue blown big by China. I doubt top policy makers are engaged in day to day activities of IA. Its more possible that IA had stopped construction first and then passed the info to their superiors, who to their credit stood their ground.

Secondly India cant match China in OBOR or CPEC. The Chinese have trillions sitting unutilised and its better invested than doing nothing. India dont have much dollars nor its developed enough to take on China in this game. We will invest a billion or 2 here and there. That's it.

 

[wiseone2]

Meanwhile, Modi relies on Trump who called him today:
Trump calls up Modi, greets him on I-Day:

View attachment 418381

it looks like someone is sore