A loss of face in the Himalayas

[Windjammer]

 

[ChinaToday]

Thanks for putting the word stupid everywhere in that "analysis". Neutral observers won't take it seriously.

You have made no argument to be countered.

You re the kind of person who will argue with a fence post. I am done.

you are the one that said Indians also entered Chinese territory according to their line of perception and Chinese couldn't do a thing about it

Now prove it or shut up, now let use your brain a little bit shall we, when we according to india intrude 19km into your area and you didn't dare do anything except agreeing some of our demands , what make you think you have the balls to enter our territory?

 

[Srinivas]

you are contradicting yourself let take a look at your post shall we

is it??? I take it you are questioning my claim people calling you stupid then this

I pis-sed of lot of people like you and so they came down to personal insults which you are admitting many people did call you that if this not stupid I don't know what is

the answer of your second statement is no you don't p@ss lot of people off but you sure get bash like sh@t(quote your own words) from other people.

Hey mate your post is not worth replying but tell me one thing

What happened to your signature, which is very not chinese in nature

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Thanks for putting the word stupid everywhere in that "analysis". Neutral observers won't take it seriously.



you are the one that said Indians also entered Chinese territory according to their line of perception and Chinese couldn't do a thing about it

Now prove it or shut up, now let use your brain a little bit shall we, when we according to india intrude 19km into your area and you didn't dare do anything except agreeing some of our demands , what make you think you have the balls to enter our territory?

I showed you the map , the map was all over the media and was being discussed on this forum as well. You were inside India's perception of LAC but India too set up 8 tents inside Chinese perception of LAC which is the red line in the map that i posted. Go and try to learn first how to read maps. Then come to me next week.

Idiot.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

 

[ChinaToday]

Border dispute exposes faultline in China-India relations

India was upbeat when Li Keqiang, China’s new premier, announced that New Delhi would be the destination for his first foreign trip since taking power: it was seen by some as a potential milestone in more co-operative relations between the two wary neighbours.

But as Salman Khurshid, India’s foreign minister, arrived in Beijing on Thursday to finalise details for the visit, many Indians were asking why Mr Li is coming at all.

The optimism was shattered by a three-week border stand-off between the two countries after an estimated 30 Chinese troops slipped across the de facto Himalayan border they share and 19km into what India says is its territory.

The incident has again soured relations between the world’s two most populous nations, stirring memories of the humiliating defeat India suffered in a 1962 border war. But it has also renewed fears over China’s wider territorial ambitions across Asia.

China has become one of India’s biggest trading partners and the Li visit was seen in Delhi as an opportunity to build on that trend, with Beijing also keen to deepen economic ties. Bilateral trade is increasingly complemented by direct investment by Chinese companies.

“We thought we were seeing the beginning of something really good that was going to take us forward,” one Indian official says of the planned visit later in May. “The economic relationship is expanding fast, and we were going to focus on that. But now we feel there’s a complete lack of sincerity on the Chinese side.”

The Chinese troops finally withdrew earlier this week. India’s Congress-led government has offered no details of the deal that preceded the pullback, but Indian army officials have told the local media that New Delhi agreed to demolish a defensive line of bunkers and observation posts on its side – a concession that Beijing has long sought but which has left India’s security establishment fuming.

“The Chinese-Indian relationship is strange and difficult,” says Li Xiangyang, director of the National Institute of International Strategy at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. “India has this deep-seated trust deficit as it compares itself with China all the time – almost like China used to measure itself against the US and the UK in the 1950s and 1960s.”

In the absence of a definitive, agreed boundary in the remote Himalayan desert region, the two countries have a vague, decades-old line of actual control. The neighbours have been negotiating on the border dispute since 1981, while simultaneously working to improve other aspects of their relationship.

India has in recent years upgraded the road and military infrastructure on its side of the de facto border, which lags far behind development on the Chinese side. But Beijing has made clear it finds these moves unacceptable, a message that was conveyed again during talks over the border incursion.

“For India, every metre of road and every bunker in that area is a strategic win of territory,” says Sun Hongnian, an expert on the Indian border at the Research Center for Chinese Borderland History and Geography at CASS. “With every such construction, they come closer to the main road on our side which is a strategic bit of defence infrastructure.”

Some observers note that these arguments closely resemble a pattern seen in territorial disputes with other neighbours.

Zhang Xiaodong, a scholar at the Shanghai branch of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said in an article published last week that Beijing was in fact following a strategy of grabbing opportunities to expand its range of control across the region. He applauded the strategy but said China was ill-advised to open a new front with India in this game at the same time disputes were flaring with Japan and in the South China Sea because this raised the risk of its neighbours teaming up against Beijing.

Many are still debating whether the incursion was a deliberate attempt to pressure India into retreating or whether the Chinese military was freelancing, encouraged by President Xi Jinping’s recent rhetoric of stronger safeguarding of China’s national interests.

But in New Delhi some argue that such distinctions are irrelevant and that Beijing’s strategy is already working.

“They managed to make the Indians agree to conditions that they had failed to impose by other means earlier,” said Brahma Chellaney, a strategic affairs analyst at New Delhi’s Centre for Policy Research. “India is wilting under pressure. The [Indian] government is trying to say it’s a victory for quiet diplomacy but it’s actually a victory for coercive diplomacy. They have rubbed India’s nose on the ground.”

Border dispute exposes faultline in China-India relations - FT.com

 

[jiki]

Border dispute exposes faultline in China-India relations

India was upbeat when Li Keqiang, China’s new premier, announced that New Delhi would be the destination for his first foreign trip since taking power: it was seen by some as a potential milestone in more co-operative relations between the two wary neighbours.

But as Salman Khurshid, India’s foreign minister, arrived in Beijing on Thursday to finalise details for the visit, many Indians were asking why Mr Li is coming at all.

The optimism was shattered by a three-week border stand-off between the two countries after an estimated 30 Chinese troops slipped across the de facto Himalayan border they share and 19km into what India says is its territory.

The incident has again soured relations between the world’s two most populous nations, stirring memories of the humiliating defeat India suffered in a 1962 border war. But it has also renewed fears over China’s wider territorial ambitions across Asia.

China has become one of India’s biggest trading partners and the Li visit was seen in Delhi as an opportunity to build on that trend, with Beijing also keen to deepen economic ties. Bilateral trade is increasingly complemented by direct investment by Chinese companies.

“We thought we were seeing the beginning of something really good that was going to take us forward,” one Indian official says of the planned visit later in May. “The economic relationship is expanding fast, and we were going to focus on that. But now we feel there’s a complete lack of sincerity on the Chinese side.”

The Chinese troops finally withdrew earlier this week. India’s Congress-led government has offered no details of the deal that preceded the pullback, but Indian army officials have told the local media that New Delhi agreed to demolish a defensive line of bunkers and observation posts on its side – a concession that Beijing has long sought but which has left India’s security establishment fuming.

“The Chinese-Indian relationship is strange and difficult,” says Li Xiangyang, director of the National Institute of International Strategy at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. “India has this deep-seated trust deficit as it compares itself with China all the time – almost like China used to measure itself against the US and the UK in the 1950s and 1960s.”

In the absence of a definitive, agreed boundary in the remote Himalayan desert region, the two countries have a vague, decades-old line of actual control. The neighbours have been negotiating on the border dispute since 1981, while simultaneously working to improve other aspects of their relationship.

India has in recent years upgraded the road and military infrastructure on its side of the de facto border, which lags far behind development on the Chinese side. But Beijing has made clear it finds these moves unacceptable, a message that was conveyed again during talks over the border incursion.

“For India, every metre of road and every bunker in that area is a strategic win of territory,” says Sun Hongnian, an expert on the Indian border at the Research Center for Chinese Borderland History and Geography at CASS. “With every such construction, they come closer to the main road on our side which is a strategic bit of defence infrastructure.”

Some observers note that these arguments closely resemble a pattern seen in territorial disputes with other neighbours.

Zhang Xiaodong, a scholar at the Shanghai branch of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said in an article published last week that Beijing was in fact following a strategy of grabbing opportunities to expand its range of control across the region. He applauded the strategy but said China was ill-advised to open a new front with India in this game at the same time disputes were flaring with Japan and in the South China Sea because this raised the risk of its neighbours teaming up against Beijing.

Many are still debating whether the incursion was a deliberate attempt to pressure India into retreating or whether the Chinese military was freelancing, encouraged by President Xi Jinping’s recent rhetoric of stronger safeguarding of China’s national interests.

But in New Delhi some argue that such distinctions are irrelevant and that Beijing’s strategy is already working.

“They managed to make the Indians agree to conditions that they had failed to impose by other means earlier,” said Brahma Chellaney, a strategic affairs analyst at New Delhi’s Centre for Policy Research. “India is wilting under pressure. The [Indian] government is trying to say it’s a victory for quiet diplomacy but it’s actually a victory for coercive diplomacy. They have rubbed India’s nose on the ground.”

Border dispute exposes faultline in China-India relations - FT.com

Don get excited my friend by this kinda paid and trapped jurnos, may be u dont know this is called as diplomacy,this kind of article are forced to publish to make the enemy overconfident........ Just leave it to the diplomats lets come sm genrl pnts:

Since last 5-6 days with in every 2 hrs 2 types of articles r coming on this issue one is telling "INDIA f$%cks CHINA in it's a$%s"

the other is saying "CHINA cut INDIA's di#$k out of it"
So what sud be the solution, solution is thatttttttttttt Dont messed up in these FU@#king things "APNI AKAL LAGAO"(use ur own brain)..............The whole world already acknowledged that CHINA withdrew its troops from the indian territory with out a single bullet fired

So what u got frm above bold line ?
From above u n i got that CHINA dont have any ball or will to take on INDIA militarily AND

If U wnt to fu#$k out every indian member at least in PDF den go and tell ur PLA n CPC that attack INDIA as soon as possible, we r eagerly waiting fr that


Enough shouting lets go to some serious business.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

IF CHINESE WANT TO FEEL GOOD RETREATING FROM THEIR POSITION BECAUSE iNDIA DESTROYED A COUPLE OF BUNKERS. lET THEM FEEL HAPPY ABOUT IT. wE ARE COOL WiTH THE OUTCOME.

oFCOURSE SOME HAWKS IN INDIA LIKE CHELLANEY WONT BE. BUT THEN THEY WILL NEVER BE HAPPY .