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A lie repeated often becomes truth---- the west used this trick to Xinjiang

I'm confused why I have to talk about Xinjiang human right violation and Uyghur genocide topic now. Isn't the whole story based on zero proof fact? Exept some crying Uyghur women interviews(How these women left China if they were put in concerntration camp and facing genocide by the way?) and some prisons pictures(Xingjiang having prisons and Uyghur prisoners is a big deal?), there is no solid proof. Not even one. No massive dead bodies were found and no refugees were found in neighbour countries.

The basic law of the world : You can not accuse a person or a country of a crime without proof. All judges would igore these crying Uyghur women's words if they are in court. Is that too complex to understand?

As the no proof accuser. the west just repeated their lies by releasing another one crying Uyghur woman's video from time to time. To my surprise, the world totally bought their cheap lies. Every one in the internet talks Xinjiang now. A repeated lie finally became a truth. Now it's time for the west to move to the next step. Sanctions are coming. Western countries, who claim they respect rule of law, already sentenced guilty to China.

We are living in a crazy world. People's shamelessness and stupidity are beyond my imagination.

Luckily China is not Iraq. China has power to deal with these liars in a fair way.


What do you think of this ?

 
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Xinjiang "genocide" is the new Iraq "WMD", based on exaggeration and fabrications. The so called "concentration camps" are nothing more than a modified reiteration of the Laogai system (Reform through labor). It is not new or intended to kill. Is it nice? Not really. Is it effective? Hell yeah.

The fact of the matter is that Xinjiang is the fastest growing economy in China, and there has been zero terrorist incident since 2014 compared to the weekly attacks before. The standard of living for people in the region is steadily rising thanks to Belt and Road investments and booming tourism. Uyghurs have greater standard of living and economic opportunities than any point in history, while the shackles of Wahabism no longer loom over the region.

Think the tough security measures are wrong? Not according to utilitarianism.

Utilitarianism holds that the most ethical choice is the one that will produce the greatest good for the greatest number.

What other examples are there for laogai system being implemented in China throughout history? What sort of groups were reformed like that?

Could you give examples?
 
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Why even bother doing this dance and routine, simply say that China is a good ally of the Islamic world and the destiny of Uighurs does not concern you at all, the truth is that you WANT these accusations against China to be lies. The Uighur militants/terrorists would not carry out violence if everything was fine in the region, such things only happen when a people has been pushed to the limit by the occupying forces, such as in Kashmir or Palestine.

US aid for such elements is irrelevant, as I am sure you will recall US aid for the Afghan resistance to the Soviets, a cause Pakistan supported wholeheartedly.
The WE LIED, WE CHEAT, WE STOLE Secretary of State Pompeo admitted as much that the US have training for LYING, CHEATING and STEALING.
The US is NEMERO UNO at fabricating SMEARS about their adversaries.
Many examples like Iraq WMD, Nayirah Testimony etc.
China is lucky that the US has overdone their LYING, so much so that now the world have caught on and their LIES and PROPAGANDAS now lack credibility.

The US even insulted the holocaust by RIDICULOUSLY USING GENOCIDE to accuse China.
When it is the US who REALLY DID GENOCIDE the native Indians of America.
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Simple. The West wants to use backward islamist cannibals and headchoppers to sow death and destruction like they have done in countless other countries.
Actually most westerners aren't that evil. More likely they just have some delusions about cultures, which are mostly created in their own heads. They mistake these delusions as realities and their own inflated egos induce them to lash out ill-advised judgement on others.

The truly evil ones are those who nurture such delusions.
 
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Actually most westerners aren't that evil. More likely they just have some delusions about cultures, which are mostly created in their own heads. They mistake these delusions as realities and their own inflated egos induce them to lash out ill-advised judgement on others.

The truly evil ones are those who nurture such delusions.
The average Joe in the West is too stupid to know where China is located. The Western governments are at fault here.
 
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The average Joe in the West is too stupid to know where China is located. The Western governments are at fault here.
Average Joes everywhere are like that. The problem with the West is that those average Joes are far richer than before and they mistakenly believe that they become wiser as they become richer. That makes them even more prone to make mistakes than other poor dumb bastards.
 
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I'm confused why I have to talk about Xinjiang human right violation and Uyghur genocide topic now. Isn't the whole story based on zero proof fact?
Where do you want to start?

That the US regime considers a powerfull, prosperous and free China a threat to its hegemony?

That the US regime considers Chinas infrastructure buildup trough BRI a threat?

That the US regime considers peace and development in Central Asia a threat?

That the US regime fears an economically less dependent Europe, Africa and Asia a threat?

That the US regime feels to benefit from attacking and undermining the economy and security of China including of course Xinjiang?

That the US regime has incredibly low moral standards and has never hesitated to use genocide, terrorism and massmurder for expansionism, to enrich itself and guard is wealth and any favourable power imbalance if it just calculates to get away with it, nevermind slander to grease the wheels with domestic public support for their past, present and future crimes?

That much of the US regimes old slander about China has become dated and beaten so many times that the audience target by it are just getting bored, so they need to invent new horror stories?

That much of the US regimes old slander from hoaxes to exaggerating tropes about China have become ridiculous and less effective, as its has become easier to access real and first hand information or footage from and about China without depending on some US regime controlled propaganda mouthpiece posing as "independent" journalists or "independent" activists, tightly controlled or profiteering third parties spinning, falsifying and just plain inventing the "truth".

That much of the US regimes old slander about China has become ridicolous and less effective, as education and knowledge about world affairs has increased manyfold in China and other independent countries relative to the past century, so their ability to counter and rectify classic disinformation has increased.

That the US population is highly suspectible to narratives about "genocide" as they are used to the idea of terrorizing, massmurdering and genociding entire groups of people from their own recent history and contemporary politics?

That the US population is highly suspectible to narratives about "genocide" as they may naively or with malice project their own history and moral deprivations and use them as premise to judge and fault others?

That the US population itself is suspectible to accept projection of crimes their nation comitted to rationalize their own moral conflicts or even shame for their utter lack of rebelling against the crimes of their regime sans farcial and petty protests and hobby activism?

That the US regime has dirt on its stick and benefits from deflecting their crimes on others because it distracts and consumes energy and opportunities to talk about recent and ongoing crimes and terror enacted by the US regime itself?

That the US regime has dirt on its stick and benefits from relativizing their crimes by inventing "bigger" crimes on some "other side"?

That the US regime has so much dirt on its stick that it needs to invent such huge crimes to make the "other side" actually look worse than Americas daily business of terror, slaughter and repression?

That the US regime needs a boogeyman for all of the above so it doesnt matter if its China or anyone else as long as there is some grass that is much less greener than the greatest greenest gras in god blessed America, as otherwise they would have to target some minority in their own ranks again?

That the US population is full of brainwashed bloodthirsty Christian radicals who hate both Atheist and Muslim parts of China and Chinas neighbourhood and would love to see either group suffer?

Thats the US regime sees benefits in sowing division in China?

Thats the US regime sees benefits in sowing division between China and Muslim countries?

That the US regime has a "nothing to lose" attitude about slandering and inventing ridicolous attrocity propaganda about China because there are no courts where you can hope to successfully sue the US regime as a prime culprit for slander and make it pay and receive punishments for its crimes on an international scale?

Xinjiang is just another theme for slander about China that happens to be choosen because it overlaps with strategic interests of directly subverting and creating destabilizing factors affecting Chinas BRI and undermine generally anything that could hurt the ongoing cycle of poverty and isntability in Central Asia and Middle East, in the future also Africa leaving them open to malicious exploitation.
 
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Are you sure these uyghur wives didn't engage in terrorism or radicalized? I have seen their photo. Seems like they all practice wahabbi. Under Chinese law or any countries law, anybody funding terrorism or separatist is a crime.

Of cos the pro western Pakistan media will claim as if those wives are really innocent and commit nothing wrong. You really think Chinese authorities will arrest people for not reason?


Are you actually implying Chinese government does not arrest people for no reasons?
Typical tactics.. trying to paint as China as the sole country banning whabbis. In France, you can't even wear hijab. At least in China, hijab is allowed and yet I didn't even heard you crying about france extreme ruling?

Readers shall by now knows what agenda this striver44 try to stir. I can bet if killing a million Muslim can smear China, this guy will not hesitate to do it. Fighting for islam is fake but smearing China is his real motive.



You do see a difference between banning something and putting people in "re education" camps?
The Chinese government has already successfully eliminated any concept of traditional culture and spirituality from it's majority population. All we have now is walking talking zombies like you who are deprived of anything beyond your apparent existence.
 
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western media is biased against china. you are free to hire some local chinese vloggers or journalists to investigate.

don't believe everything you see on the internet kid.
considering the CIA's budget to destabilize Xinjiang, forging stuff like this is child play.

everyone has a smartphone now. there are 12 million uyghurs in xinjiang. if there is real torture and genocide going on, there should be hundreds of images and videos of leaking out. The fact that there are none is proof enough that these are all lies.

yes, as long as you back your statements with evidence. there are laws against spreading lies with the intention of framing the chinese gov.


How about we make a group from this forum itself instead of hiring your "clearly subjugated and controlled" vloggers and journalists from China?

China is already receiving sanctions, why doesn't your government act up and get some independent people to go and take a look if its all so good and unicorns and rainbows over there in Xinjiang?
 
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Chinese cry about some Asians in America being attacked (mostly by blacks) as anti-Asian persecution brought about by Trump's rhetoric, meanwhile they claim all is well in Xinjiang.

In reality, that region is occupied land, the people there are completely different both culturally and racially to the Han Chinese which is why China is indeed conducting a soft genocide of them, not through gas chambers or firing squads, but through Weapons of Mass Migration, of Han men who take up Uighur wives in a coercive manner and the resulting offspring is brought up in a Han culture, and is also racially different.

Regardless of the more distant history such as the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty, China's control of Xinjiang even from the Qing Dynasty is earlier than the establishment of the United States.

Uyghurs moved south from the Mongolian Plateau to Xinjiang with the consent of the central government of the Tang Dynasty.

As for culture, the Uyghur culture is well preserved, better than many westernized places. The majority of Uyghurs want to learn Mandarin well. In the past, their Mandarin was not good because they had no conditions to learn it. In fact, Chinese schools teach English. Many former colonies also learn English, is it considered cultural extinction?
 
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As a person who grew up in XinJiang, here is my take on this subject: I don't believe the words from either side. The truth on the ground is more likely to be this:

1. Chinese government is a bit rude in the handling of "re-education" of Uighur population, as it always does in handling other Chinese. The situation is aggravated when CCPs and Uighur Muslims simply don't understand each other. But it is nowhere near genocide.

2. The Westerners, particularly those who feel too good about themselves and automatically grant themselves the power of judgement, dramatize the whole situation onto the level of genocide with help from telltales of some Uighur activists and general distrust in Chinese government.

The whole thing really boils down to the distrust between CCPs and Uighur Muslims. CCPs are too materialistic in the eyes of believers and Uighurs hate the intrusiveness of the way CCPs handle the extremists. CCPs simply don't understand why Uighurs should complain when the quality of their lives is improving and the society is safer.

The Chinese Communist Party does have a simple and rude side in doing things, just like in infrastructure construction, such a big social change in Xinjiang cannot be without flaws. If Xinjiang continues to be chaotic, have you ever thought about the impact of Sino-US confrontation on China?
 
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How about we make a group from this forum itself instead of hiring your "clearly subjugated and controlled" vloggers and journalists from China?

China is already receiving sanctions, why doesn't your government act up and get some independent people to go and take a look if its all so good and unicorns and rainbows over there in Xinjiang?
there are already tons of amateur vlogger videos about xinjiang out there. but since they don't converge with your preconceived opinion that uyghurs are tortured and killed, they must all be "clearly subjugated and controlled".
 
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