A historiographical account of Mughal India

[El Sidd]

A few hundred survived. I love the way amateurs have an opinion about every historical topic. Idiots.

None worth the effort finding out about.

 

[Suriya]

There are probably hundreds of thousands if not millions of descendants of Mughal aristocracy/military running around, especially in Central India. Mughals went full Desi, just look at the pictures and painting towards the end of 18th and 19th century. They no longer look Central Asian at all.

Why central india ?? When all of Pakistan fall over each other to claim as inheritors and descendants of the Mughals ?

Changes in look got started with Jahangir who was son a rajput princess and so was Shahjahan's mother and some expert believe even Aurangzeb 's mother daughter of kashmiri Hindu king who converted islam later on.

The lush beard on Aurangzeb's face was by no means central Asian .

 

[Pakistani E]

Why central india ?? When all of Pakistan fall over each other to claim as inheritors and descendants of Mughal ?

Changes in look got started with Jahangir who was son a rajput princess and so was Shahjahan's mother and some expert believe even Aurangzeb 's mother daughter of kashmiri Hindu king who converted islam later on.

The lush beard on Aurangzeb's face was by no means central Asian .

Why are you Indians so sensitive?

 

[Suriya]

Why are you Indians so sensitive?

What ? Did i hurt sensitivities of Pakistanis here ?

 

[Pakistani E]

What ? Did i hurt sensitivities of Pakistanis here ?

Lmao. You guys crack me up. I left something that would be historically acceptable, Mughal's main power base was in Central India. Their administrative centre was there so it is likely that it is where they would have lived and married etc. Now please tell me, why are so many Indians carrying huge chips on their shoulders whenever it comes to mentioning foreign conquerors?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lmao. You guys crack me up. I left something that would be historically acceptable, Mughal's main power base was in Central India. Their administrative centre was there so it is likely that it is where they would have lived and married etc. Now please tell me, why are so many Indians carrying huge chips on their shoulders whenever it comes to mentioning foreign conquerors?

You have a point. I wish - not just Indians alone, and this is NOT an indirect barb, @Sher Shah Awan - south Asians would stop being so sensitive and get so hurt so quickly. So there were foreign incursions; it started way back when, so what? Why can't we accept that xyz had ancestors who came down from central Asia? Most of our frigging Bengali ancestors were south Asian, but it is reputed that there is 30% admixture of Tibeto-Burmese stock in our genetic make-up. So what? Do I need to change my name to Joe Dorji or what?

Regarding your post, I did think, SSA, that you had made a boo-boo, and written Central India when you meant Central Asia, but then I realised that from your point of view, perched up on a cold, rocky ledge jutting out of Central Asia, the Mughals look like they lived and ruled in the centre of the vast plains out below. You probably meant UP and Bihar on the Gangetic Plain, and probably what used to be called Malwa in mediaeval times. It is not unfair to call that Central India, although Indians would define Central India as more or less the area known today as Madhya Pradesh.

And yes, there ought to be numerous descendants, mainly of the princesses; the princes largely got slaughtered by their brothers.

 

[Pakistani E]

You have a point. I wish - not just Indians alone, and this is NOT an indirect barb, @Sher Shah Awan - south Asians would stop being so sensitive and get so hurt so quickly. So there were foreign incursions; it started way back when, so what? Why can't we accept that xyz had ancestors who came down from central Asia? Most of our frigging Bengali ancestors were south Asian, but it is reputed that there is 30% admixture of Tibeto-Burmese stock in our genetic make-up. So what? Do I need to change my name to Joe Dorji or what?

Agreed, but as I was talking to two people from India, so I narrowed down my post to them exclusively. The problem amongst South Asians that I can see is that there are two groups of people here, at least on the whole. One group that extols their foreign make up, and the other that absolutely eschews it. Both are idiotic in my opinion. And I think you know who I am alluding to. And I think Joe Dorji actually sounds quite cool, more exotic.

Regarding your post, I did think, SSA, that you had made a boo-boo, and written Central India when you meant Central Asia, but then I realised that from your point of view, perched up on a cold, rocky ledge jutting out of Central Asia, the Mughals look like they lived and ruled in the centre of the vast plains out below. You probably meant UP and Bihar on the Gangetic Plain, and probably what used to be called Malwa in mediaeval times. It is not unfair to call that Central India, although Indians would define Central India as more or less the area known today as Madhya Pradesh.

Lol that's true. Everything past Punjab, Haryana etc is Central India to me. A closer look at a map however, would indeed make you correct in proper geographical terms, but yeah, I look at the map of India from Pakistan's point of view, so I relegated what would be North-Central? India to Central India. But I think I should probably make more of an effort, since UP (would that be the part that I was actually talking about?) has some villages named after my ancestor (Yes, I am trying win extra brownie points by trying to rub some peoples noses in!). But granted, it would be unfair from an Indian point of view to label that area Central India.

And yes, there ought to be numerous descendants, mainly of the princesses; the princes largely got slaughtered by their brothers.

Exactly what I had in mind, the male Princes would always be considered threats so always the first to be sent to the chopping blocks. But it was a bit strange to see such a hostile reaction to the mention of their descendants there. Some people seem to have adverse reaction to possible historical realities and take it far too personal in my opinion.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Agreed, but as I was talking to two people from India, so I narrowed down my post to them exclusively. The problem amongst South Asians that I can see is that there are two groups of people here, at least on the whole. One group that extols their foreign make up, and the other that absolutely eschews it. Both are idiotic in my opinion. And I think you know who I am alluding to. And I think Joe Dorji actually sounds quite cool, more exotic.



Lol that's true. Everything past Punjab, Haryana etc is Central India to me. A closer look at a map however, would indeed make you correct in proper geographical terms, but yeah, I look at the map of India from Pakistan's point of view, so I relegated what would be North-Central? India to Central India. But I think I should probably make more of an effort, since UP (would that be the part that I was actually talking about?) has some villages named after my ancestor (Yes, I am trying win extra brownie points by trying to rub some peoples noses in!). But granted, it would be unfair from an Indian point of view to label that area Central India.



Exactly what I had in mind, the male Princes would always be considered threats so always the first to be sent to the chopping blocks. But it was a bit strange to see such a hostile reaction to the mention of their descendants there. Some people seem to have adverse reaction to possible historical realities and take it far too personal in my opinion.

My diagnosis is piles.

 

[Pakistani E]

My diagnosis is piles.

See your GP if you have persistent or severe symptoms of haemorrhoids. You should always get any rectal bleeding checked so your doctor can rule out more potentially serious causes.

The symptoms of haemorrhoids often clear up on their own, or by using simple treatments that can be bought from a pharmacy without a prescription.

Speak to your GP if your symptoms don't get better or you experience pain or bleeding.

Your GP can often diagnose haemorrhoids using a simple internal examination of your back passage, although they may need to refer you to a colorectal specialist for diagnosis and treatment.

Some people with haemorrhoids are reluctant to see their GP. But there's no need to be embarrassed – GPs are very used to diagnosing and treating haemorrhoids.

 

[Joe Shearer]

See your GP if you have persistent or severe symptoms of haemorrhoids. You should always get any rectal bleeding checked so your doctor can rule out more potentially serious causes.

The symptoms of haemorrhoids often clear up on their own, or by using simple treatments that can be bought from a pharmacy without a prescription.

Speak to your GP if your symptoms don't get better or you experience pain or bleeding.

Your GP can often diagnose haemorrhoids using a simple internal examination of your back passage, although they may need to refer you to a colorectal specialist for diagnosis and treatment.

Some people with haemorrhoids are reluctant to see their GP. But there's no need to be embarrassed – GPs are very used to diagnosing and treating haemorrhoids.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Diagnosis as in - I have diagnosed in xyz.

Not Diagnosis as in - I have myself got abc.

 

[Pakistani E]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Diagnosis as in - I have diagnosed in xyz.

Not Diagnosis as in - I have myself got abc.

@Joe Shearer Lol my post was not at you, I meant it to the people you diagnosed, but I had to quote you as I didn't want to point any fingers.

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer Lol my post was not at you, I meant it to the people you diagnosed, but I had to quote you as I didn't want to point any fingers.

That's all right. I'll just hobble away and bathe my go sit in a hot bath.