A Facebook status update can get you arrested in India

[Parul]

Great job, Samajwadi Party. Everybody who is criticizing you is communal and is "promoting enmity between groups". Please arrest me as well, along with 120 Crore other people who think you are incompetent gangsters and dacoits..

 

[Tshering22]

Great job, Samajwadi Party. Everybody who is criticizing you is communal and is "promoting enmity between groups". Please arrest me as well, along with 120 Crore other people who think you are incompetent gangsters and dacoits..

Tell that to the 22 crore UPites who love these types of parties.

Here in Sikkim, they'd be conked out if such nonsense was tried.

SP and BSP only reach out to the semi-literate and under-privileged because they know they can manipulate them to gain popular support and then have the free run to trouble others.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

We are no longer democratic and getting despotic in the worst ways.

You are learning from China. Recently a Chinese singer who, on sina weibo(Chinese twitter), claimed to bomb a division of local government , was arrested by police. She has been released now. Totally ridiculous!!

 

[Parul]

Tell that to the 22 crore UPites who love these types of parties.

Here in Sikkim, they'd be conked out if such nonsense was tried.

SP and BSP only reach out to the semi-literate and under-privileged because they know they can manipulate them to gain popular support and then have the free run to trouble others.

I posted it on the Facebook pages of Respective Parties too...It's not that I/WE only need to Tell this to the 22 Crore Upites...It is applicable, every where in our Country...Whole Nation needs to Stand united against these Corrupt and Impotent Politicians who are dividing the country to fulfill there Political Goals...

 

[Tshering22]

I posted it on the Facebook pages of Respective Parties too...It's not that I/WE only need to Tell this to the 22 Crore Upites...It is applicable, every where in our Country...Whole Nation needs to Stand united against these Corrupt and Impotent Politicians who are dividing the country to fulfill there Political Goals...

Of course we are all with our fellow countrymen from UP.

I never denied that.

But these guys see all this happening and still vote these same people to power.

Why don't they raise their voices?

A state with 22 crores making the same mistake over and over again?

How?

These people are oppressed to the hilt but don't ask any questions or even take action.

You guys in Punjab would directly get into aggressive action if something happened like this. We in Sikkim would at least express our outrage.

But in most of Indian states, people protest for all trivial reasons, aggressively and when real things come to discussion like this incident, they go away. Which is why even protesting peacefully has become a joke in the country.

Look at the Anna movement. He came in with a genuine reason but what happened? Nothing.

Look at the Delhi rape protests. What happened? Young citizens got beaten black and blue and were sent home.



But look at how these loonies in Kashmir protest; they bring the administration down to their knees and get their sweet candy.

How?

That's the difference.

There is NO UNITY in people.

Which is what politicians know and manipulate.

They know no one will stand with each other because they are too busy massaging their own egos.

Unity is not through protesting for stupid extra reservations, new state demand, additional quotas in college based on caste, religion, political party etc.; but protesting for something that is genuine.

Otherwise it will lose its value.


Simple.


Imagine you're eating butter chicken on a special event from a favourite restaurant. (no pun intended, my wife is also a Punjabi . Learnt it from her.)

Now imagine you daily go to that restaurant and eat it day and night.

Will it have any special value attached to it anymore?

No right?

Same way.

 

[Parul]

@Tshering22 Mate, for a change, Upites Voted for Mullayam's Party and not Bhain Mayawati's Party...At the moment, we are Pissed at Congress, For a change, most of us may Vote for BJP....However, it won't solve the Moot Problems which we face...All the Politicians are same "sabhi ek hin thali ke chate bate hain"..."People Get the Government They Deserve" Its a bitter truth....

Secular Means: धर्म से संबंध न रखनेवाला...All Parties just show that they are secular for every religion vote bank, and this is their strategy for election...

 

[Tshering22]

You are learning from China. Recently a Chinese singer who, on sina weibo(Chinese twitter), claimed to bomb a division of local government , was arrested by police. She has been released now. Totally ridiculous!!

We are learning all the WRONG things.

Authoritarian rule is good. In fact, a major survey across the country (don't remember the name) said that many young Indians prefer a practical, get-the-job-done semi-authoritarian rule rather than a corrupt and unaccountable system like the current one.

You guys have an aggressive government but it does its work. It builds infrastructure, school, roads, colleges, develops scientific institutions, develops military and strategic capabilities, ensures economic growth and serves the people. So it is still acceptable.

Here you pay tax, you get no benefits. No security. No justice. No guarantee for anything good.

Other states (having travelled across India) are virtual fiefdoms of local ministers, MLAs and big shots.

Down south, Tamil Nadu has tremendous technical capabilities but they have a slightly better situation than UP. Not too good.

Kerala has a good HDI and excellent education, but the working class there are lazy and don't involve seriously in politics that actually matter.

Here in NE, almost all states are terribly mismanaged except 2-3. Sikkim, Arunachal and Meghalaya are relatively well managed despite the latter two having Congress in power. The locals there work much better than Assam and Mizoram, Tripura, Nagaland which are literally in the dumps.

Eastern India is in deep sh*t like you saw in this thread and I said above. No state is effectively managed. They're not even into this century let alone becoming growth engines. East UP, Bihar, Jharkhand, West Bengal of Maomata, Odisha.. all of them are dangerously under-developed due to political insanity.

Western India is the best managed with Gujarat as the powerhouse followed by Goa and of course, the presence of Mumbai's financial might but rest of Maharashtra is very mis-managed.

Northern India is again not too good because of nepotism in states like Uttarakhand, Rajasthan, Delhi and J&K.

Himachal is better off than others because of lesser population but nowhere near the word powerhouse.

 

[Tshering22]

@Tshering22 Mate, for a change, Upites Voted for Mullayam's Party and not Bhain Mayawati's Party...At the moment, we are Pissed at Congress, For a change, most of us may Vote for BJP....However, it won't solve the Moot Problems which we face...All the Politicians are same "sabhi ek hin thali ke chate bate hain"..."People Get the Government They Deserve" Its a bitter truth....

Secular Means: धर्म से संबंध न रखनेवाला...All Parties just show that they are secular for every religion vote bank, and this is their strategy for election...

It is not possible.

The word Secularism was inserted into Indian constitution only in 1970s.

So tell me, were Indians massacring each other for 35 odd years after independence?

No right?

They were still living peacefully.

Then with what intention was this word intentionally inserted?

It is anybody's guess.

BJP has a lot of flaws too.

Egoistic numbheads dominate it and the only saving grace are Modi ji, Parikkar and Shivraj.

But this is not about political parties.

It is about people knowing their rights and standing united.

There is NO UNITY.

 

[SQ8]

Ill tell you what really needs to get people arreseted..
Pointless fb updates:

"What a great shower"

"Just ate.. feeling bloated"

"Studied really hard, hope I pass"

etc etc

There are worse crimes against humanity than critiquing some politico.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

We are learning all the WRONG things.

Authoritarian rule is good. In fact, a major survey across the country (don't remember the name) said that many young Indians prefer a practical, get-the-job-done semi-authoritarian rule rather than a corrupt and unaccountable system like the current one.

You guys have an aggressive government but it does its work. It builds infrastructure, school, roads, colleges, develops scientific institutions, develops military and strategic capabilities, ensures economic growth and serves the people. So it is still acceptable.

Here you pay tax, you get no benefits. No security. No justice. No guarantee for anything good.

Other states (having travelled across India) are virtual fiefdoms of local ministers, MLAs and big shots.

Down south, Tamil Nadu has tremendous technical capabilities but they have a slightly better situation than UP. Not too good.

Kerala has a good HDI and excellent education, but the working class there are lazy and don't involve seriously in politics that actually matter.

Here in NE, almost all states are terribly mismanaged except 2-3. Sikkim, Arunachal and Meghalaya are relatively well managed despite the latter two having Congress in power. The locals there work much better than Assam and Mizoram, Tripura, Nagaland which are literally in the dumps.

Eastern India is in deep sh*t like you saw in this thread and I said above. No state is effectively managed. They're not even into this century let alone becoming growth engines. East UP, Bihar, Jharkhand, West Bengal of Maomata, Odisha.. all of them are dangerously under-developed due to political insanity.

Western India is the best managed with Gujarat as the powerhouse followed by Goa and of course, the presence of Mumbai's financial might but rest of Maharashtra is very mis-managed.

Northern India is again not too good because of nepotism in states like Uttarakhand, Rajasthan, Delhi and J&K.

Himachal is better off than others because of lesser population but nowhere near the word powerhouse.

Yes, like China, regional diversity is huge. Some parts are rich while other regions are far less developed. Objectively to say, not a single government in the world is the most perfect, at least in the eyes of its own people. You can see almost all the people in the world are blaming their own government, even US. India inherited the western structure, which should be a good thing.

On offense, but I think, in western everything is already on track: most the people are rich, all the people get full medical coverage, free education. So, although the democracy procedures will take a long time to reach a win-win political consensus or lunch an infrastructure project, the common people won't be affected, because they already got enough social benefits, they won't mind wasting time to engage in political affairs, they won't blame government's low efficiency in political process(here I mean, vote, congress proposal or law amendment). But in India and China, things are different. People are not so wealthy, they care more about food safety, public medical care and housing. While, at this time, India government should not waste time going through a long long democracy process. When 5 years later, you finally reach a consensus, everything changed, you would make more adjustments to your original plan, which means India government's opportunity cost is very very high, they are missing best time to correct every social problems.

But things in China is getting worse. Excessive infrastructure projects and real estate made many ghost cities. Actually government's aim is to elevate urbanization to 70% in 2030, they wish more people entering cities while the real growth of income per capital is growing slowly with a dramatically rising price on almost everything. People find they cannot endure the high cost in cities, so they leave, which made empty cities. I mean, in China government is strong and their power is designated from each upper level, which is different from India. Every project should be approved from central. I think its proposal and power should be limited to a controlled range, because a centralized government cannot monitor and control everything that is changing very fast in each corner of the society. They cannot make a perfect schedule for such a highly diversified society.

 

[Tshering22]

Yes, like China, regional diversity is huge. Some parts are rich while other regions are far less developed. Objectively to say, not a single government in the world is the most perfect, at least in the eyes of its own people. You can see almost all the people in the world are blaming their own government, even US. India inherited the western structure, which should be a good thing.

But democracy is good in a country where questioning is an inherent part of the culture.

For example, in Western countries, there is an inherent rebellious attitude in people and at every point they turn around and ask. "why should we do this or that"? Where is the result of what you had promised?" etc and that too in a united fashion. Barring the whole immigration boom that Western countries launched, their society is almost entirely homogenous which makes their 'one size fits all' concept of democracy as rational.

Look at Asian countries. You have many sub-communities who are facing problems. India never bothers about how one looks but there is high level of communit-ization (in both organized religions like Muslims and Christian and even indigenous philosophies like Hindus, us, Sikhs etc). Then there is another layer of dirt called regionalism, where some people think that they are better than other Indians because of their language is 'different'.

Add dirty politics to it like demography based voting and high level of social illiteracy among people and you have a whole pot of poison concocted. An average Indian might be an MBA with good educational skills but he will be socially pi$$-illiterate. He may know a lot about how to market a product or to work well in the office and get promotions, but will not understand the concept of social behaviour. His ego and his individuality will prevail over the likings of all the people he's living amongst.

That level of social literacy I have seen only in three other states, other than my own: Punjab, Kerala and Gujarat.

These guys are not regionalist but have some level of social responsibility towards their people with whom they live.

So social literacy of unity and a collective goal-oriented attitude is what needs to come into Indians before democracy can be established.

Otherwise, it will become pockets of mob rule like what it is today.

I say this because I have seen highly diverse countries that are socially illiterate and then diverse countries that are socially literate; and seen the what difference this one major factor can make.

It can make the difference between the best country to live in and the worst country to live in.

On offense, but I think, in western everything is already on track: most the people are rich, all the people get full medical coverage, free education.

You're right. Even if all westerners aren't spiffing rich like oil-rich Arab countries are, at least most of them are covered in terms of social benefits, government unemployment schemes etc that are in touch with the ongoing rate of inflation. However, those things are fine because these countries are barely populated and again, they are very homogenous.

This is not the case in India.

Here, no one is given anything except for some political opportunists trying to create vote bank and divide by some parties. A working man has to:

- start earning himself.
- take care of his family members.
- get his insurance done himself.
- save up for his future himself.
- save up for his siblings' marriage.
- save up for schemes of retirement by private firms.
- ensure that he has money to buy a house for himself.
- ensure to have enough money for his children's education, lifestyle, needs, etc.

The government does NOTIHNG (compared to Western countries), despite getting all the taxes. Instead, that money ends up in foreign banks and no VISIBLE efforts are made to get that money back into the country.

In terms of development, it makes shoddy roads that break up in the monsoons. Over-bridges collapse and some or the other scam breaks out, and then the same cycle all over again. By the time the culprit is punished, the guilty dies of old age.

With a zero-accountability system established in the country, there is no trace of what's happening. All the work in public sector is done at their leisurely pace whether or not it is urgent. Because of such a setup of the whole federal working ecosystem, there are terrible gaps even in crucial aspects of national integrity like defence related matters. Furthermore, it gets compounded when dirty cheap politics of divisive parties comes into play thanks to arrogant d!ckheads.

So, although the democracy procedures will take a long time to reach a win-win political consensus or lunch an infrastructure project, the common people won't be affected, because they already got enough social benefits, they won't mind wasting time to engage in political affairs, they won't blame government's low efficiency in political process(here I mean, vote, congress proposal or law amendment). But in India and China, things are different. People are not so wealthy, they care more about food safety, public medical care and housing. While, at this time, India government should not waste time going through a long long democracy process. When 5 years later, you finally reach a consensus, everything changed, you would make more adjustments to your original plan, which means India government's opportunity cost is very very high, they are missing best time to correct every social problems.

Here 90% of the times, the plans always remain on paper. The remaining 10% get implemented only a year or 6 months before elections come in so as to show development. There is no concept of opportunity cost because most of the politicians here consider what is supposed to be as their job, as a favour to the public, which the ignorant general public meekly accepts.
So a parliamentary democracy is the most terrible form of governance we can have.

A US-like Federal direct democracy would serve a better purpose where there is an established system of accountability.

But not parliamentary system which has no face to be held accountable for any disasters.

The problem in India is not democracy but zero-government accountability.

But things in China is getting worse. Excessive infrastructure projects and real estate made many ghost cities. Actually government's aim is to elevate urbanization to 70% in 2030, they wish more people entering cities while the real growth of income per capital is growing slowly with a dramatically rising price on almost everything. People find they cannot endure the high cost in cities, so they leave, which made empty cities. I mean, in China government is strong and their power is designated from each upper level, which is different from India. Every project should be approved from central. I think its proposal and power should be limited to a controlled range, because a centralized government cannot monitor and control everything that is changing very fast in each corner of the society. They cannot make a perfect schedule for such a highly diversified society.

In your case, it is going to the other extreme.

I find the US-style governance most applicable where is considerable level of accountability, more direct public involvement in choosing of leaders (rather than a bunch of corrupt MLAs bought out and choosing a national leader) and where there is enough public eyes to check the power of a leader while there is enough authority in the leader to take strong action against a problem to solve it.