A country such as India not being a permanent member of the [UN] Security

[Jason bourne]

Putin Wants to Reform UN

The United Nations is not a useless organization, however, it needs gradual reform, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with young lawyers in Moscow.

Putin dismissed talks about the UN’s "inefficiency" as "a cliché occasionally introduced into the public mind by our foreign colleagues, especially the United States" after it failed to secure UN support for its invasion of Iraq in 2003.

But "the UN must comply with today's realities," Putin said on Wednesday. "A country such as India not being a permanent member of the [UN] Security Council is odd," he said.

The organization’s efficiency is guaranteed by "binding instruments" that it has at its disposal, unlike its predecessor, the League of Nations, which was undone by the outbreak of World War II, which it failed to prevent, Putin said, adding that these instruments must be preserved in any reform.

The UN Security Council, which is comprised of permanent members China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States, as well as 10 elected non-permanent members, has the power to impose economic sanctions and even sanction military intervention in countries deemed a threat to international peace.

Putin did not elaborate on proposed changes for the UN but said that the reform must be approved by most member states, even if it means drafting it would take years.

The United Nations, founded in 1945, has been working on an official reform program since 1997, but change failed to materialize so far.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

we deserve it more than the copy cat people

Here is a list of the currently recognized "Great powers" in the world: The USA, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany and Japan.

Great power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This corresponds exactly to the current P5, minus Japan and Germany due to their loss of WW2 and their "pacifist constitutions" which are not useful in a Security Council.

Out of the entire G4 (Germany, Japan, Brazil and India)... India has the smallest economy by far. Yet you guys think you deserve it more than we do? Too bad, we've got the veto.

 

[indianspetsnaz]

Here is a list of the currently recognized "Great powers" in the world: The USA, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany and Japan.

Great power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This corresponds exactly to the current P5, minus Japan and Germany due to their loss of WW2 and their "pacifist constitutions" which are not useful in a Security Council.

Out of the entire G4 (Germany, Japan, Brazil and India)... India has the smallest economy by far. Yet you guys think you deserve it more than we do? Too bad, we've got the veto.

patience son it is our century

'India will be the biggest superpower'

 

[Yeti]

Here is a list of the currently recognized "Great powers" in the world: The USA, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany and Japan.

Great power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This corresponds exactly to the current P5, minus Japan and Germany due to their loss of WW2 and their "pacifist constitutions" which are not useful in a Security Council.

Out of the entire G4 (Germany, Japan, Brazil and India)... India has the smallest economy by far. Yet you guys think you deserve it more than we do? Too bad, we've got the veto.

Wiki? i suggest you read this


http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/pub950.pdf

 

[janon]

Here is a list of the currently recognized "Great powers" in the world: The USA, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany and Japan.

Great power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This corresponds exactly to the current P5, minus Japan and Germany due to their loss of WW2 and their "pacifist constitutions" which are not useful in a Security Council.

Out of the entire G4 (Germany, Japan, Brazil and India)... India has the smallest economy by far. Yet you guys think you deserve it more than we do? Too bad, we've got the veto.

Circular reasoning. That article states that the reason that usa, britain, russia, china and france are described as "great powers" today is because they are permanent members of the security council. So you implying that we shouldn't be in the security council because we are not in the so called "great powers" list, is a classic case of the logical fallacy called circular reasoning.

By the way that article does not describe germany and japan to be great powers today. Only the ones in the security council. Japan and germany are classified as middle powers in that article. So you (completely innocently, of course) changed that to include the two of them here to make the rest of your arguments even exist.

Here is the part of the article that describes the use of that term in today's world:

Great power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

infact we deserve it more than the copy cat people

You deserve it more than we do?

Then why don't you have it? Why is your economy the smallest one in the entire G4?

Here is the part of the article that describes the use of that term in today's world:

Great power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes I read it, it says that the USA, Russia, China, Britain and France... are referred to as the Great powers.

While Japan and Germany are referred to as the "economic Great powers", and are often grouped together along with the other great powers. In fact, the term most commonly used in the international media is "P5+1", and it refers to the P5 + Germany.

 

[golmaal]

You deserve it more than we do?

Then why don't you have it? Why is your economy the smallest one in the entire G4?



Yes I read it, it says that the USA, Russia, China, Britain and France... are referred to as the Great powers.

While Japan and Germany are referred to as the "economic Great powers", and are often grouped together along with the other great powers. In fact, the term most commonly used in the international media is "P5+1", and it refers to the P5 + Germany.

At least we don't produce copy cat products.. and you compare your engineering skills with Germany..LOL

 

[janon]

Yes I read it, it says that the USA, Russia, China, Britain and France... are referred to as the Great powers.

While Japan and Germany are referred to as the "economic Great powers", and are often grouped together along with the other great powers. In fact, the term most commonly used in the international media is "P5+1", and it refers to the P5 + Germany.

I hope you also read and understood the reason for calling them great powers. And hence the circularity of your argument.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

At least we don't produce copy cat products.. and you compare your engineering skills with Germany..LOL

When did I ever compare our engineering skills with Germany?

You're throwing stones in a glass house, everyone knows that India is the country with more poverty/starvation than the entire continent of Africa.

Even Italy has a bigger economy than India. Out of the entire G4 (Japan/Germany/Brazil/India), India has by far the smallest economy, yet the Indians here are talking as if they are already a superpower.

 

[Yeti]

http://carnegieendowment.org/files/Tellis.India.Global.Power.FINAL.pdf


India Likely To Replace Japan As World's Third Largest Economy - Forbes


US and Russia both support the rise of India as a global power

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

^^^ GDP by PPP is not used for comparing national economies.

"The IMF considers that GDP in purchase-power-parity (PPP) terms is NOT the most appropriate measure for comparing the relative size of countries to the global economy, because PPP price levels are influenced by non-traded services, which are more relevant domestically than globally," the IMF said.

"The Fund believes that GDP at market rates is a more relevant comparison."

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS/04/26/us.china.economy/index.html

 

[Skull and Bones]

Nope, China rightly deserves it more than us. And since they already are in that group, now we deserve it more than anybody.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Anyway, sorry to break the Indian wet dreams. From the United Nations website:

Charter of the United Nations: Chapter XVIII: Amendments

Without the unanimous approval of ALL the P5 members, the UN charter cannot be amended. Which would make it impossible to allow new permanent members in the UNSC.

No veto is required. If even one member of the P5 decides to abstain, then the reform will fail.

 

[JAT BALWAN]

Permanent membership in UNSC is not a thing that India can bargain & buy as MMRCA...

It`ll take time to make a place in it... all the 5 members`ll play an important role for that.. Mainly China is the main we needed in current scenario...

@ CD... If economy is the main step for UNSC, then how China get it in that time??

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Permanent membership in UNSC is not a thing that India can bargain & buy as MMRCA...

It`ll take time to make a place in it... all the 5 members`ll play an important role for that.. Mainly China is the main we needed in current scenario...

@ CD... If economy is the main step for UNSC, then how China get it in that time??

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Anyway, sorry to break the Indian wet dreams. From the United Nations website:

Charter of the United Nations: Chapter XVIII: Amendments

Without the unanimous approval of ALL the P5 members, the UN charter cannot be amended. Which would make it impossible to allow new permanent members in the UNSC.

No veto is required. If even one member of the P5 decides to abstain, then the reform will fail.