A complete encirclement Of Pakistan? by the Indo-Afghan alliance??

[AbRaj]

full marks should be given to india. they have surrounded pak from all sides. afghanistan and iran may not attack pak but they intelligence agencies are working against pak may be for their own interests. iran is natural ally of india because of gwador port. so iran is bound to create unrest in baluchistan which is also in india's interest and they have been doing it for many years. afghanistan has always been a problem for pak except for the time when taliban were in command. presently iran and afghanistan are in india's pocket. but all these are minor trouble makers. the real threat to the pakistan are the elite of the pak political parties which have secret relations with raw. ANP successfully shut down the kalabagh dam project. mqm , ppp and pml n leaders are also on the pay roll of the raw. in addition to that a big chunk of the media of pakistan and social activists are also working for india's interest. military 's past record is also not very satisfying. the only hope for pak is raheel shareef and the day he retires pak will be in total control of her enemies as it was before his appointment as COAS.


we generally like to harm ourselves.

LOL, perhaps you don't know but you are also on Raw payroll

 

[EnggineerShahjehan]

The rivalry between China and India is exactly 62 years old. Go look it up.

R u sure, before it was all peace?

 

[AbRaj]

You want our military to annex Pashtun areas of Afghanistan? That's a horrible thing to say. Besides Pakistani Pashtuns don't like them here. They have had enough.

Isn't it hypocrisy when you say Afghani pakhtoons like Pakistani counterparts but Pakistani Pakhtoons don't like Afghani pakhtoons???

 

[Joe Shearer]

R u sure, before it was all peace?

Yes, I am sure. I do not make these assertions lightly.

In fact, Chinese troops were quartered in India during the Second World War.

 

[EnggineerShahjehan]

Yes, I am sure. I do not make these assertions lightly.

In fact, Chinese troops were quartered in India during the Second World War.

Ok ill study deeply on this topic , if i came to any new information ill let u know.

Ok ill study deeply on this topic , if i came to any new information ill let u know.

Before doing a research on history of sino-aryans relation ship, just one thing i must bring in your knowledge , cousines of Chinese , mangols, did ruled major parts of hindustan after accpeting Islam. And u can read it any where , but when it come to chinese yes it needs proper research.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Isn't it hypocrisy when you say Afghani pakhtoons like Pakistani counterparts but Pakistani Pakhtoons don't like Afghani pakhtoons???

No.

The rules of logic are suspended when a Pakistani hyper-patriot expresses an opinion.

 

[mourning sage]

No doubt, the Northern Alliance is an anti-Pakistan force across the border. These fools think that they can harm Pakistan by allowing Indian terror consulates to operate freely in Kabul. They are sorely mistaken.

We have lost over 60,000 people (official figures) in the fight waged by this Northern Alliance. Our country was in ruins and dripping with blood and you claim that these organization cant harm us?

Zarb-e-Azb is a very successful operation, no doubt, but it is merely damage control at this point. When I see these northern alliance's leaders' head on a stick is when i'll accept that we have neutralized a threat. For now, the threat is existing and real, without taking the battle to the enemy's backyard, we haven't achieved a significant milestone and this snake's head can resurface again, givens sufficient time.

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

At the outset , it is most unfortunate that the author sees Indian engagement with Afghanistan as an encirclement.

It is this ' you are either my friend of his" approach which lies at the root of Pak polity . It is the proverbial mill stone around the neck.

The old joke in the Armed forces across the world is that Generals tend to fight the last war & plan for it ..

The parts quoted below are indicative of a Military approach to national decision making . It hasnt helped the nation thus far.

Yes, it has at best helped the nation to ' stay afloat' as the authpr puts it. But then , does a nation only wish to stay afloat of join the comity of nations as a contributing member ?

Don't need Indian lectures. Let's resolve the kashmir issue and then we will surely tell our generals to take a back seat. Until kashmir issue stays unresolved Pakistanis will have strong emotional feelings towards kashmir and army will continue to implement policy in accordance to the sentiment of Pakistani people. Thanks

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ok ill study deeply on this topic , if i came to any new information ill let u know.


Before doing a research on history of sino-aryans relation ship, just one thing i must bring in your knowledge , cousines of Chinese , mangols, did ruled major parts of hindustan after accpeting Islam. And u can read it any where , but when it come to chinese yes it needs proper research.

Dear Sir, I am not being arrogant, but since you made a simple statement, I cleared it up. Take it as an authoritative statement: there was NO enmity or hostility between China and India from the time that the Chinese discovered the existence of a southern kingdom, in the second century BC, through the enquiries of Zhang Qian.

I am surprised to read your point about the Mongols. It was not the Mongols, but the Turks, the Chaghatai Turks, who ruled major parts of Hindustan. They accepted Islam several centuries before that. Their pretence of being Mongols was derived from their pretence of being descendants of the ferocious Taimur, a Barlas Turk, who pretended that he was related to the original Mongols, descendants of Chenghiz Khan. The native language of the Mughal rulers of Hindustan was Turkish; it was one of the points in favour of Sir Thomas Roe, Ambassador of the Court of St. James to the Mughal Court, that he could speak Turkish, which won him the Badshah Jahangir's interest and sympathy. One of Zahiruddin Babar's claims to fame was that he was among the first and best writers of the Chaghatai Turk dialect.

Don't need Indian lectures. Let's resolve the kashmir issue and then we will surely tell our generals to take a back seat. Until kashmir issue stays unresolved Pakistanis will have strong emotional feelings towards kashmir and army will continue to implement policy in accordance to the sentiment of Pakistani people. Thanks

Yes, do that.

My apologies.

Continue doing that. Your action plan sounds like the Polish sex manual.

 

[Paksanity]

Isn't it hypocrisy when you say Afghani pakhtoons like Pakistani counterparts but Pakistani Pakhtoons don't like Afghani pakhtoons???

No.

The rules of logic are suspended when a Pakistani hyper-patriot expresses an opinion.

Facts. Statements of facts are anything but hypocrisy. It's a very porous border. Which side do you see entering enmass to the other side? Pakistan provides much much better living environment.

 

[ebrahym]

A complete encirclement?
By Imtiaz Gul
Published: May 3, 2016

Pakistan’s encirclement by the Indo-Afghan alliance is nearly complete. The Afghan Army Chief General Qadam Shah Shaheem said on April 30 that if other options don’t yield any positive results in bringing Pakistani incursions to a halt, the Afghan Army would step in as a last resort in responding to military aggression along the Durand Line. The Indian foreign secretary told Pakistan that it “cannot be in denial of the impact of terrorism on the bilateral relationship”, essentially reiterating that terror and talks cannot go hand in hand. Quietly, New Delhi remains focused on entrenching itself at the Iranian Chabahar port to gain access to Afghanistan and Central Asian energy markets, as well as connecting with the Middle East and Europe. With Afghan transit trade down, traffic through Chabahar is likely to make Pakistan even more irrelevant for Afghan imports. India has also successfully cultivated the ruling elite in both Afghanistan and the land-locked Central Asian states, thereby trumping the natural geographical importance and relevance that Pakistan has for these countries.

India-Afghanistan trade through Pakistan

We in Pakistan believe to have successfully thwarted Indo-Afghan-American conspiracies against us. But empirical evidence — Pakistan’s image abroad and its continued isolation on issues related to terrorism — suggests that this ‘success’ continues to bleed Pakistan socially, politically and economically. Tactically, we have been successful — but at what cost? Beyond doubt, neither the US nor India can bend a nuclear-armed Pakistan. Both tried, but failed to dictate. Punish they can, nevertheless; and continue to do so, both directly and indirectly. Through its strategic investment and a whole-of-government approach towards Afghanistan, India has created a hornet’s nest for Pakistan. Those who are relevant in Afghanistan — from members of parliament, to President Ghani, to Chief Executive Abdullah Abdullah, to former president Karzai and the civil-military establishment — are all blowing hot and cold on Pakistan as the supporter of “all those animals killing innocent Afghans”, a perception that resonates with common Afghans and is gaining currency by the day.
The way the Quadrilateral Contact Group has come to a halt on the heels of the deadly bombing in Kabul clearly illustrates that Pakistan has lost on the strategic front. It is fighting a modern war of perception-management with a Cold War-era tactical mindset blunted by an outdated bureaucratic implementation regime towards the war-battered country. The country cannot complete critical investments — a nuclear medicine hospital in Kabul or crucial road links — in nearly 10 years. The bureaucracy in Islamabad miserably fails in addressing Afghan importers’ grievances related to the transit trade.

Afghanistan losing interest in trade links with Pakistan

Many Pakistanis love to point to the US, India and other countries, despite the fact that Pakistan itself has relied on non-state actors in the last three decades to achieve geo-political objectives. From South America to the Middle East to Africa, we have seen support for such entities. Recently, President Obama expressed his determination to continue funding the training of anti-Assad Syrian non-state actors. This is considered to be fine as long as the US government and Congress consider it to be in the American interest. Most Pakistanis overlook the obvious difference here — a superpower, with all its might, or a burgeoning economy like that of India, can get away with such ventures. A struggling and marginalised economy — beset with endemic governance, political polarisation and a dearth of strategic vision — cannot.
Are our ruling elites thinking in the strategic way leaders in other countries think? We may be very good in tactical approaches. It has helped the country stay afloat, but is that enough for long-term peace, economic development and regional connectivity? Can the country afford policies that have drawn it into a prolonged state of conflict with both its major neighbours? The third neighbour — Iran — looks on as we hang on to the Cold War security matrix. Shouldn’t India’s growing economic proximity to Iran as well as to Saudi Arabia serve as a wake-up call to us all? That is real encirclement. Can an apologetic policy towards the Afghan Taliban really help the country end its global isolation and put it on the path to development?

Published in The Express Tribune, May 4th, 2016.

I dont know why we have given up ..... if chabahar can threaten us then why cebtral asian stans are making so much deals withh us.... you have to consider the fact that they share a border with china and are deeply influenced by them ..... second iran-india partnership ismore like trade not strategic and of is then still juvenile ..... plus i dont know are we using diplomacy with afghans they have no experience of diplomacythey can only be played with enhancing our strategic depth in afghanistan and

 

[AbRaj]

Facts. Statements of facts are anything but hypocrisy. It's a very porous border. Which side do you see entering enmass to the other side? Pakistan provides much much better living environment.

They are entering not for your love but to save their lives

 

[ebrahym]

Northern allianc are tajik tribesmen .... we can use tajikistan to establish contacts with them .... by doing so wecan own both the parties of war and pakish strategic depth will be far more deep

 

[911]

We are about to get you

 

[Paksanity]

They are entering not for your love but to save their lives

Why go to a country you hate? There are six nations that share border with Afghanistan. Why they come to Pakistan? And then there is the ultimate love: India! Yet they don't go there. Wonder why?