A Chinese Empire Reborn

[F-22Raptor]

I knew you were SP12.

Please correct your flags and be proud of who you are.

I'm a White Caucasian of German descent.

To discredit India and the current trend lines is stupid. Like I said, they'll be a huge problem for China for years to come.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Geopolitics is like Trading... the more ppl think we are Hitting Resistance or Support... The more... it's running...

So at least with this Thread... we Know US ain't going nowhere...and China is still far far from being an Hyperpower...or even Surpass the US... AND no ww3...is happening...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

SP12 is Superpower 2012. Who do you think claims to be superpower 2012?

River Ganga?

 

[war&peace]

Beyond the military power USA continues to have one of the largest industrial, scientific, economic pool in the world and built in spare latency. That is not about to evapourate away anytime soon.

Let the Trump stay a few more years. Do you know that he has already asked the academia to start hiding the latest research from the world. I just learned that from my MS supervisor a Prof at Georgia Institute of Technology and he was really furious about it. If it gets implemented, it will take away the leadership of research from USA. BTW EU is ahead of USA in the fundamental and applied research than USA in bulk and in per capita terms. EU feels more comfortable to align itself with China than USA.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Let the Trump stay a few more years. Do you know that he has already asked the academia to start hiding the latest research from the world. I just learned that from my MS supervisor a Prof at Georgia Institute of Technology and he was really furious about it. If it gets implemented, it will take away the leadership of research from USA. BTW EU is ahead of fundamental and applied research than USA in bulk and in per capita terms. EU feels more comfortable to align itself with China than USA.

Lets hope EU aligns with China.

But then many EU countries are also NATO members.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

we Know US ain't going nowhere...and China is still far far from being an Hyperpower...or even Surpass the US

I think from the reading I have done the Chinese economy already matches US. However it will take another 50 years for China to consolidate and then leverage that to reach supreme position as the "hyperpower". US will remain superpower but China will reach altogether another level of economic magnitude and thus the term "hyperpower" might be appropriate. To be sure there will be hurdles it faced in the last 40 years were far more difficult to overcome. But China did. So it shall with what lies ahead.

USA took over the British economy around 1880s but it needed a few more decades for US to manifest itself as superpower and overtake British prestige.

 

[sweetgrape]

So, china is a evil under tyrannical regime in the report, western and indian like the report, market decide.

Reduced space? You sure about that one? The US economy is growing at an impressive clip, and a military that's undergoing a several decade long modernization. This military will project power globally, backed up with a economy that consists of an advanced S&T base, and huge resources.

China on the other hand is surrounded by countries such as India and Japan. Japan is developing its own anti-access/area denial capabilities to deny China's ability to maneuver, and India is set to become the worlds 3rd largest economy within the next decade. India's power will only grow in direct confrontation with China. Whose space is truly reduced? An considering China's impending demographic decline, China's ability to counter multiple countries only becomes tougher.

You need double aid to Japan and India, more warships and flighters, especally to India, train them well, or they may blow up their self in their own port or base.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

To discredit India and the current trend lines is stupid. Like I said, they'll be a huge problem for China for years to come.

Don't worry Pakistan will keep 1.3 billion Indian's occupied - like it has for the last 70 years.

 

[F-22Raptor]

If you flick back I noted the incredible natural and human resource base of USA and it's culture of work ethic. These were the legs which articulated USA in becoming a superpower and they will continue to stand. So I was not being dismissive of USA. However as much a realist I was being there I also know that China will overtake USA ~ yes for sure their are hurdles as you pointed out but much as USA overtook UK in 1890s the same is happening with China today. As we move forward over the next few decades this will begin manifesting itself like US economic power began to overshadow Britain with WW2 being the cap.

As regards India you are placing too much store on that ocean of disparity. What you see of the Indian's in USA is the condensed distillate of 1.3 billion people. What you don't know is vast majority of them are at levels lower then Black Africa. The caveat being at least that demographic bring physical pedigree to the table. In the instance of aboriginal India it zero up there and zero down there. India is not going anywhere. Bollywood fantasies notwithstanding.

As regards Japan and the other epicanthics over the long term they will fall in line with China - one way or other as much as Europeans did with US hegemony. Yes I know you had a fight or two with the Germans. But economics will line up everybody in the immediate vicinity of China as the their economic gravity starts pulling everybody in.

China's economy is not growing at the pace it needs to overtake the US economy anytime soon, and definitely not to become this supposed "hyperpower." To compare the US overtaking the UK, to China vs the US is nonsense. The UK is a small island power that punches above its weight, while the US is a continental sized power with global power projection capability.

China's economy is now 3 times the size of Japan. Japan is now purchasing long range cruise missiles, F-35's, Aegis Ashore batteries, and setting up a string of antiship and antiair missiles along its southern island chain. How is that falling in line going? Try falling in line with the US.

Like I said, underestimate India at your own peril. Those demographic trend lines are NOT in China's favor.

I get a strong sense of wishful thinking and Chinese bootlicking from you.

 

[MultaniGuy]

China's economy is not growing at the pace it needs to overtake the US economy anytime soon, and definitely not to become this supposed "hyperpower." To compare the US overtaking the UK, to China vs the US is nonsense. The UK is a small island power that punches above its weight, while the US is a continental sized power with global power projection capability.

China's economy is now 3 times the size of Japan. Japan is now purchasing long range cruise missiles, F-35's, Aegis Ashore batteries, and setting up a string of antiship and antiair missiles along its southern island chain. How is that falling in line going? Try falling in line with the US.

Like I said, underestimate India at your own peril. Those demographic trend lines are NOT in China's favor.

I get a strong sense of wishful thinking and Chinese bootlicking from you.

India has the most of the world's poor.
Underestimating India?

You are overestimating India. lol.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I get a strong sense of wishful thinking and Chinese bootlicking from you.

It may appear to you insofar as no offence intended, you appear to be flying on your fumes and ignoring the emerging realities. As a student of history no power has remained at the top forever. The dusty pyramids, the vacant Parthenon, the empty streets of Harappa are testimony to that. You however have fallen for the belief in American exceptionalism. And I don't bootlick nobody. I only watch in glee at the emerging influence on Pakistan of China and thereby hope to see the busting of the far right religious forces inside Pakistan whom I despise.

 

[MultaniGuy]

It may appear to you insofar as no offence intended, you appear to be flying on your fumes and ignoring the emerging realities. As a student of history no power has remained at the top forever. The dusty pyramids, the vacant Parthenon, the empty streets of Harappa are testimony to that. You however have fallen for the belief in American exceptionalism. And I don't bootlick nobody. I only watch in glee at the emerging influence on Pakistan of China and thereby hope to see the busting of the far right religious forces inside Pakistan whom I despise.

lol, the far right religious parties are for China in Pakistan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

lol, the far right religious parties are for China in Pakistan.

They might be for now. After all what choice do they have? Trump's USA. Modi's India? Netanyu's Israel. However they might be for China but rest assured Chinese will not be for these far right scum. I mean you do read how China teaches "manners" to some of the Uighur;s who have over inflated idea of ummahdom. You can find out how CCP deals with the "far right religious extremists". It's not pretty but ius very, very effective which is why very few mullahs from Pakistan will get to visit China to spew their garbage. Fact is oil and water do not mix. Fact is religious extremism and Maoist Athiesm does not mix. And don't think I am talking theoretical here. UK as much as Sweden has peoples from everywhere. I have spent some time with Chinese very close up. One of my friends is Pakistani born in HK who speaks fluent Chinese and moved to UK post HK handover. So I get a glimpse into the Sinosphere.

 

[F-22Raptor]

It may appear to you insofar as no offence intended, you appear to be flying on your fumes and ignoring the emerging realities. As a student of history no power has remained at the top forever. The dusty pyramids, the vacant Parthenon, the empty streets of Harappa are testimony to that. You however have fallen for the belief in American exceptionalism. And I don't bootlick nobody. I only watch in glee at the emerging influence on Pakistan of China and thereby hope to see the busting of the far right religious forces inside Pakistan whom I despise.

An you completely ignore my points. China is a regional great power that's facing long term economic/demographic decline, while the US demographics are much healthier over the long run. The US also doesn't have to contend with hostile regional powers. A huge economy that supports an advanced S&T base and military gives the US the capability to project power globally.

It's not "American exceptionalism", just reality. It's you whose ignoring the long term trend lines.

 

[rambro]

US Regime lackey trying hard to vilify them