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A campaign to 'correct distortions introduced by leftist historians' in ancient Indian history

Indian History taught to us in Schools and Colleges is distorted and far from facts ?


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Your impression. Okay. Name 5 ancient scientists from Bharat without searching in Google or any other search engine. :D
I told you why. The translations were lying around for at least a century now. Many Indians must have read it. Statistically there must be scientists or people with basic scientific knowledge among them. Nobody reported any engineering marvel that can be replicated today. Ergo impression.

Ok. Here are 5: Arya Bhatta, Varaha Mihira, Charaka, Panini(linguist and grammarian), Susruta :P
I see. Which people did research on engineering in Vedas/mythology? Cite me some papers please. I would love to read them in December.
Read above reply.
Then why worry? Grab popcorn and watch the show. You may write a complaint to Mr.Dina Nath Batra with your concerns. He is a good gentleman. He will grant you audience. :angel:
I worry about the bad name this people bring to the country, and in general for science.
Otherwise they cannot touch science in the long run anyway. It is too much of a hot potato for the rabid(whether nationalist or religious). Luckily the entry bar too high. :D I already have my popcorn. And it is fun. :cool:
 
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Read above reply.
No. Those are not papers. I have cited some. There are more. Just 'Vedic space' gave me 28000 scientific papers in Google Scholar.

I worry about the bad name this people bring to the country, and in general for science.
Yeah. In that case, rest assured that you will have a LOT to worry about. :) The club is now open to all. No entry bar anymore. :disagree: Let the Science begin. Adios.
 
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so when left wing get into power they will rewrite history according to them.. it is better to write left history and right history in same book... left history on left side, right on right side.
 
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No. Those are not papers. I have cited some. There are more. Just 'Vedic space' gave me 28000 scientific papers in Google Scholar.
That is what I said. The translations were lying around for a century at least. People must have read them.

Anything in all those papers which turned into a path breaking scientific achievement? You don't seem to understand my point. Most of the stuff we read are on the lines of 'Ohh this is already there in that book'. Even if there is E=mc2 found in some ancient text today, it might give us pride but it will not aid scientific progress unless it introduces a new way of thinking or a new field of science. It would be of value as literature but not as science. OK Ancient Indians knew about that. But if the knowledge got lost midway there is no scientific value at all.

Yeah. In that case, rest assured that you will have a LOT to worry about. :) The club is now open to all. No entry bar anymore. :disagree: Let the Science begin. Adios.
Hehehe. Sure buddy
 
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Why are you passing judgement even before they have published anything? It obviously has to be peer reviewed. Let us read and debate. Reading is good I hope.

Don't you read anything? There is no intention to publish, there is no question of debate or discussion. They know they don't have a case, and they don't have any academic support. So bring in the mob; let's have a 'Run for Own History'.

Peer review? Don't be ridiculous. That is precisely what they seek to avoid.

A clutch of organisations are getting together to organise a mega 'Run for Own History' campaign in Delhi to push for revision of ancient Indian history and "correct distortions introduced by leftist historians". 'Run for Own History' is likely to be organised in the Capital towards the year end or on the birth anniversary of Swami Vivekananda on January 12, convenor Lalit Mishra told ET.

Source: A campaign to 'correct distortions introduced by leftist historians' in ancient Indian history | Page 2

Well ! They can be labelled as the ones that have advocated distorted Indian History .
Aryan Invasion Theory .
Divide between Aryan and Dravidian
Black vs White and this list never ends .

Recent addition to it will be Neta JI SC Bose and real truth of Nehru .

Interesting list.

Every single item belongs to the colonial school, and has been discarded in part or in whole by subsequent generations, after debate, discussion and research, not in that order.

Please learn a little more about the recent historiography of Indian history before passing glib judgements.

They will call fairy tales as history. Worse they might write research(STEM) papers based on these fairy tales. Already tried to do that in Indian Science Congress no less. The shock and awe it generated made them cool down a bit. For now they will focus their energies on history books.

People in India have a wrong notion that anyway history is what is written by winners. Let us write our own. There is no fact checking. And every Tom Dick and Harry can write junk without having to study and understand complicated Math. So History is a very vulnerable subject.


Jinnah was not a kid. He played with fire for a quid-pro-quo and died before the fire started burning the country he created.

Missing you...try to post more often.

I don't think he expected that though. I think he genuinely felt bad when so many people died. He was naive about that part. Where he expected Congress to fold and leave entire Bengal and Punjab to him. And that India and Pakistan will separate without any violence(He wanted to live in Mumbai; a sad lol). He was never a mass politician, never got people's nerve. Otherwise he would have understood the consequences.

So true. So, so true. I prefer this (in a nutshell; a lot has to be added) to Ayesha Jalal's interpretation, which is too complicated for me.

People who hate their own country/people are the worst kind. In China we call them JY, those who always worship foreigners and put down anything Chinese.

In India I guess you call these people pseudo secularists (that's the phrase used in this forum anyway).


I sincerely wish you had done your homework and intervened. This was really pointless and inflammatory.

I just cant understand one thing , why to blame ours own historians instead of making effort to show the correct history ??

Now if Indian historians will clash among themselves in the name of leftist and right winged , what will happen after 50 years ?

There is a huge amount of Indian history which is not left wing, and which is not Sanghi. How would you describe that? The bhakts describe it uniformly - anything that differs from their attempted revisionism - as left sickular.

Dude, scientific hypothesis are not left or right wing - they are just true or false.

As for the historians, the case being made is that there was some lying and cheating involved? As history is more interpretative in nature, and If we have, it seems dishonest people running the governments historical research department, we need to break the monopoly and give grants generously to all shades of historians and private institutes and their papers peer reviewed by the opposite camp, so that we get at the real truth whatever it may be.

It is not a question of lying and cheating. It never has been. Historians have elsewhere drawn the opposite conclusions from the same facts. This is sought to be understood and explained by historiography, which accounts for the biases that creep in due to a view taken of history by an individual.

In those terms, there was first the narrative history of mediaeval annalists, followed by the history written in the British period, which sought to make a point, consciously and with intent. This merged with the larger academic view for decades, and only in the 50s and 60s were these views challenged. This was also the period when German, Japanese and American scholars came into the field and made invaluable contributions, in some cases completely overwriting the colonial view. Simultaneously from the colonial period onwards, Indian historians - Jadu Nath Sarkar and Ramesh Mazumdar come to mind, also Raychaudhuri and Kanungo - contributed a huge amount of information based on their own original research and irreversibly changed some aspects of colonial history, merging their work into the international canon.

In the 70s and 80s, significant work has been done, some by Marxists of the Aligarh School, some by historians of a liberal persuasion, sometimes in collaboration with the growing body of workers in this area from outside India, sometimes by themselves, in collaboration.

The Sangh Parivar doesn't even know what history they want to replace, largely because the vast bulk of them, more than 90%, have no clue about what is going on, and the remainder are the academic losers who want the Sangh to pull their chestnuts out of the fire.
 
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Muslims elite exploited him or not. I am great full to him for Pakistan.
We dont have to live under extremist hindus.they cannot dictate us what to eat or what to not.hindus cannot force us for ghar wapsi like crap.they cannot threat us that they finish or
convert us after some years.we dont like indian muslims have to worship idols and take part in hindu rituals to prove our loyalty for the india.even our country is not rich as india but i still thanks Allah for Pakistan.
And thank Quid e Azam Mohammod Ali Jinah.
Stupid... if Pakistan and Bangladesh were still in India, Muslims would constitute 40% of the population..it would have been highly impossible for any party to come to power without Muslims votes.
Muslims would have been kings and king makers..there wouldn't have been any chance of bjp getting into power..partition was a blessing in disguise for India and Hindus.
 
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Stupid... if Pakistan and Bangladesh were still in India, Muslims would constitute 40% of the population..it would have been highly impossible for any party to come to power without Muslims votes.
Muslims would have been kings and king makers..there wouldn't have been any chance of bjp getting into power..partition was a blessing in disguise for India and Hindus.

A curse in disguise.

Both Hindus and Muslims, and Sikhs and Christians, too, for that matter, would have benefited.

But now that it is a sixty-year old done deed, it is a feeble-minded person who will re-visit that tragic hour for any reason other than the purely academic.
 
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A curse in disguise
blessing in disguise ?

Both Hindus and Muslims, and Sikhs and Christians, too, for that matter, would have benefited.
please elaborate how ? Muslims dont live in peace where they are in big numbers. 40% would have only resulted in utter chaos and strife for power. India would have simply joined the list of failed countries.
 
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blessing in disguise ?


please elaborate how ? Muslims dont live in peace where they are in big numbers. 40% would have only resulted in utter chaos and strife for power. India would have simply joined the list of failed countries.

For instance? Where is it that they live in big numbers and don't live in peace? Let us get from generalities to specifics. If we are trading alternate histories, let us trade at whole-sale rates.
 
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For instance? Where is it that they live in big numbers and don't live in peace? Let us get from generalities to specifics. If we are trading alternate histories, let us trade at whole-sale rates.
Saudi,kuwait - monarchy- semblance of peace but total oppression,
iran- theological barbarism,
palestine,sudan,syria,yemen,iraq,pakistan,egypt ,afghanistan - they dont need any introduction.
turkey - on the brink, will soon join the ranks of pakistan
UAE - castle in thin air.
Indonesia & malaysia - peaceful but having tensions underneath.

Rest of the muslim majority countries including indonesia & malaysia have had previous non-islamic culture are peaceful but they may not sustain it too long. CIS republics are constantly under threat of islamic fundamentalist threats.

It might look like unfair generalization but there is a pattern, the moment there is a critical mass the chain reaction sets off.
 
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Don't you read anything? There is no intention to publish, there is no question of debate or discussion. They know they don't have a case, and they don't have any academic support. So bring in the mob; let's have a 'Run for Own History'.

Peer review? Don't be ridiculous. That is precisely what they seek to avoid.

A clutch of organisations are getting together to organise a mega 'Run for Own History' campaign in Delhi to push for revision of ancient Indian history and "correct distortions introduced by leftist historians". 'Run for Own History' is likely to be organised in the Capital towards the year end or on the birth anniversary of Swami Vivekananda on January 12, convenor Lalit Mishra told ET.
Then they won't get through. They can whine and organize campaigns... What we should welcome is proper scholarly work and peer reviewed work.
No need to pay any attention if otherwise.
 
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Then they won't get through. They can whine and organize campaigns... What we should welcome is proper scholarly work and peer reviewed work.
No need to pay any attention if otherwise.

Sir, I RESPECT that summation. You are quite right.

Saudi,kuwait - monarchy- semblance of peace but total oppression,
iran- theological barbarism,
palestine,sudan,syria,yemen,iraq,pakistan,egypt ,afghanistan - they dont need any introduction.
turkey - on the brink, will soon join the ranks of pakistan
UAE - castle in thin air.
Indonesia & malaysia - peaceful but having tensions underneath.


Rest of the muslim majority countries including indonesia & malaysia have had previous non-islamic culture are peaceful but they may not sustain it too long. CIS republics are constantly under threat of islamic fundamentalist threats.

It might look like unfair generalization but there is a pattern, the moment there is a critical mass the chain reaction sets off.

I think including Turkey, the UAE, Indonesia and Malaysia in your categorisation is quite unrealistic.

As for the others, there is a major misunderstanding. I was under the impression that you were speaking about countries with significant Muslim minorities, not about countries with Muslim majorities. I would still challenge your assertion, but on completely different grounds.
 
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Sir, I RESPECT that summation. You are quite right.



I think including Turkey, the UAE, Indonesia and Malaysia in your categorisation is quite unrealistic.

As for the others, there is a major misunderstanding. I was under the impression that you were speaking about countries with significant Muslim minorities, not about countries with Muslim majorities. I would still challenge your assertion, but on completely different grounds.

Saudi,kuwait - monarchy- semblance of peace but total oppression,
iran- theological barbarism,
palestine,sudan,syria,yemen,iraq,pakistan,egypt ,afghanistan - they dont need any introduction.
turkey - on the brink, will soon join the ranks of pakistan
UAE - castle in thin air.
Indonesia & malaysia - peaceful but having tensions underneath.

Rest of the muslim majority countries including indonesia & malaysia have had previous non-islamic culture are peaceful but they may not sustain it too long. CIS republics are constantly under threat of islamic fundamentalist threats.

It might look like unfair generalization but there is a pattern, the moment there is a critical mass the chain reaction sets off.

In pure Muslim Majority states the other religious minorities are totally
at the mercy and whims of the majority ; no REAL constitutional safeguards

They are IMPLICITLY second class citizens

And in countries like Nigeria ; Lebanon ; Sudan where the ratio is nearly 50 : 50
They are in a perenial state of civil war for domination over Non Muslims
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In pure Muslim Majority states the other religious minorities are totally
at the mercy and whims of the majority ; no REAL constitutional safeguards

They are IMPLICITLY second class citizens
I agree on this part .
Most Kashmiri Pandit felt the same way in Kashmir .
 
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