A Call by Sikhs for Justice

[Windjammer]

 

[KAMDEV]

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Fight for takht e lahaur lal kila of ranjit singh.

 

[Goenitz]

if Punjab was a separate country.. it will be very powerful... all neighbours will be dependent on its food and water..it will span from Haryana to Kashmir to bhalwal pur and Abbottabad...

 

[Windjammer]

Fight for takht e lahaur lal kila of ranjit singh.

Sikhs remember 1984 more than anything else...which happened in India.

 

[Maarkhoor]

if Punjab was a separate country.. it will be very powerful... all neighbours will be dependent on its food and water..it will span from Haryana to Kashmir to bhalwal pur and Abbottabad...

Once Khalistan get independence we will make our border soft means visa free travel and would like to gave Khalistan nuclear umbrella.

Pakistan = Land of pure
Khalistan = land of pure

 

[Goenitz]

Once Khalistan get independence we will make our border soft means visa free travel and would like to gave Khalistan nuclear umbrella.

Pakistan = Land of pure
Khalistan = land of pure

There will be still trust deficit... Pak should do the first move. . Plus there will be still holy shrines in Dehli for Sikhs etc.. even Himachal Pardesh was under Punjab once. so it will be hard for Sikhs and hard for us unless Pak spans till near dehli..

 

[Maarkhoor]

There will be still trust deficit... Pak should do the first move. . Plus there will be still holy shrines in Dehli for Sikhs etc.. even Himachal Pardesh was under Punjab once. so it will be hard for Sikhs and hard for us unless Pak spans till near dehli..

We will do but when Khalistan get independence.

 

[Trango Towers]

if Punjab was a separate country.. it will be very powerful... all neighbours will be dependent on its food and water..it will span from Haryana to Kashmir to bhalwal pur and Abbottabad...

My dear....Pakistan is Pakistan. Never forget that.

 

[ranjeet]

@Dubious
Is this a valid source to start a thread?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There will be still trust deficit... Pak should do the first move. . Plus there will be still holy shrines in Dehli for Sikhs etc.. even Himachal Pardesh was under Punjab once. so it will be hard for Sikhs and hard for us unless Pak spans till near dehli..

Don't be silly. Even Sikh Punjab breaking off is a dream. They have had massive Bihari, UPite migration into Indian Punjab which would work against Punjab breaking off. However east of Punjab it is hopeless and zero chance. Haryana has nearly 90% Hindu majority with only 4% Sikhs, as that region [east of Indian Punjab] tips into Ganga basin making the core Hindu region of India.

And without Sikhs India would be castrated. Kashmir would naturally fall because Indian Punjab is the primary route into Occupied Kashmir.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Seems like it is time for united Punjab. West Punjabis have been made slaves under the current administration.

 

[Valar.]

if Punjab was a separate country.. it will be very powerful... all neighbours will be dependent on its food and water..it will span from Haryana to Kashmir to bhalwal pur and Abbottabad...

No landlocked country is truly powerful.

 

[padamchen]

Once Khalistan get independence we will make our border soft means visa free travel and would like to gave Khalistan nuclear umbrella.

Pakistan = Land of pure
Khalistan = land of pure

@The Eagle

Do you remember the warning you gave about punitive action against anyone who posts anything condoning terrorism and seperatists in any sovereign country?

I expect you to take action.

Though I know you will likely not.

Will reserve comment till then.

Cheers, Doc

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Once Khalistan get independence we will make our border soft means visa free travel and would like to gave Khalistan nuclear umbrella.

Pakistan = Land of pure
Khalistan = land of pure

There cannot be two swords in a sheath.

Need to decide which one is the genuine "Land of Pure"

Aar ya Paar hone do.

I am truly loving this development. Pakistan digging its own grave.

Guru Tegh Bahadur Execution by Aurangzeb


In 1675 Guru Tegh Bahadur was executed in Delhi on 11 November under the orders of the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb.[3][1] According to J.S. Grewal – a scholar of Sikh history, Guru Tegh Bahadur decided to confront the religious persecution of Kashmiri Brahmins by the Mughal officials.[32][33] He did so after appointing his son the successor-Guru, leaving his base of Makhowal and entering Ropar where he was promptly arrested.[32] According to Purnima Dhavan – a scholar of South Asian history and Mughal Empire, the Mughal administration kept a close watch on his activities.[34] Guru Tegh Bahadur was kept in jail for four months in Sarhind, then transferred to Delhi in November 1675.[32] There he was asked to perform a miracle to prove his nearness to his God. The Guru questioned the idea that "occult powers were a proof of one's nearness to God", states Grewal.[32] After his "failure to perform a miracle", he was asked to convert to Islam. He refused. Three of his colleagues, who had been arrested with him, were then put to death in front of him.[32] He continued his refusal to convert to Islam. Thereafter, states Grewal, he was publicly beheaded in Chandni Chowk, a market square close to the Red Fort.[32][33]

According to the official account of the Mughal Empire, written 107 years later by Ghulam Husain of Lucknow in 1782,[35][36]

Tegh Bahadur, the eighth successor of (Guru) Nanak became a man of authority with a large number of followers. (In fact) Several thousand persons used to accompany him as he moved from place to place. His contemporary Hafiz Adam, a faqir belonging to the group of Shaikh Ahmad Sirhindi's followers, had also come to have a large number of murids and followers. Both these men (Guru Tegh Bahadur and Hafiz Adam) used to move about in Punjab, adopting a habit of coercion and extortion. Tegh Bahadur used to collect money from Hindus and Hafiz Adam from Muslims. The royal waqia navis (news reporter and intelligence agent) wrote to the Emperor Alamgir [Aurangzeb] of their manner of activity, added that if their authority increased they could become even refractory.

— Ghulam Husain, Mughal Empire records, [35]
Satish Chandra cautions that this was the "official justification", which historically can be expected to be full of evasion and distortion to justify official action.[35] According to Surjit Gandhi, the account by Ghulam Husain suffers from serious inaccuracies and is historically wrong, as Hafiz Adam had left India and died at Medina in 1643.[37]

Another Muslim scholar, Ghulam Muhiuddin Bute Shah, wrote his Tarikh-i-Punjab in 1842,[38] over a century and half after the death of Guru Tegh Bahadur, saying that there was ongoing hostility from Ram Rai, the elder brother of Guru Har Kishan, against Tegh Bahadur. Ghulam Muhiuddin Bute Shah said that "Ram Rai represented to the Emperor that Guru Tegh Bahadur was very proud of his spiritual greatness and that he would not realise his fault unless he was punished. Ram Rai also suggested that Guru Tegh Bahadur is asked to appear before the Emperor to work a miracle; if he failed, he could be put to death." Satish Chandra and others say that this account is also doubtful as to the circumstances or cause of Guru Tegh Bahadur's execution.[35][39]

Sikh historians record that Guru Tegh Bahadur had become a socio-political challenge to the Muslim rule and Aurangzeb.[3] The Sikh movement was rapidly growing in the rural Malwa region of Punjab, and the Guru was openly encouraging Sikhs to, "be fearless in their pursuit of just society: he who holds none in fear, nor is afraid of anyone, is acknowledged as a man of true wisdom", a statement recorded in the Guru Granth Sahib p. 1427.[3] While Guru Tegh Bahadur influence was rising, Aurangzeb had imposed Islamic laws, demolished infidel schools and temples, and enforced new taxes on non-Muslims.[10][1][29]

The main substantive record, however, comes from Guru Tegh Bahadur's son, Guru Gobind Singh, in his composition Bachittar Natak. This composition is recited in every Sikh place of worship on the occasion of the Guru's martyrdom. According to records written by his son Guru Gobind Singh, the Guru had resisted persecution, and had adopted and promised to protect Kashmiri Hindus.[3][4] The Guru was summoned to Delhi by Aurangzeb on a pretext, but when he arrived, he was offered, "to abandon his faith, and convert to Islam".[3][4] Guru Tegh Bahadur refused, and he and his associates were arrested. He was executed on 11 November 1675 in public in Chandni Chowk, Delhi.[1][4]

William Irvine states that Guru Tegh Bahadur was tortured for many weeks while being asked to abandon his faith and convert to Islam; he stood by his convictions and refused; he was then executed.[40][41]

The associates of the Guru were also tortured for refusing to convert: Bhai Mati Das was sawn into pieces and Bhai Dayal Das was thrown into a cauldron of boiling water, and Bhai Sati Das was burned alive, while Guru Tegh Bahadur was held inside a cage to watch his colleagues suffer.[42] The Guru himself was beheaded in public.[43][4


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Tegh_Bahadur#Execution_by_Aurangzeb

 

[lastofthepatriots]

@The Eagle

Do you remember the warning you gave about punitive action against anyone who posts anything condoning terrorism and seperatists in any sovereign country?

I expect you to take action.

Though I know you will likely not.

Will reserve comment till then.

Cheers, Doc

A few guys said some words and you're already in tears? Everyone knows this is just some bs. No need to take it to heart.