A Brief History of The Warrior Rajputs

[Indischer]

did u say "innit"?

are you from England?

Nope. It's one of those idiotic 'cool' stuff that I picked up while at College. It refuses to leave me now.

LOL Brahmins enjoyed a higher standing under Hindu Kingdoms in fact the highest whereas under Muslims they were treated like dirt by Muslims who were in power that was my point what they do in temples is irrelevant to my point. Ok I agree Hindus still needed brahmins but they lost all other influence and were looked down upon as lower than warriors like the Kshatriya or traders like Baniyas who Muslim rulers and society at large still catered too. Now if you still do not get it stop wasting my time because I have tried to explain it too you many times.

I understood what your point is. But you're not making any effort to see what I'm trying to explain. Which was why I asked if you've picked up this perception from any scholarly article. I hope you also see the paradox in the reason for their conversion. Was it due to mistreatment then or was it due to the efforts of Sufi saints?

BuTT is an umbrella term used for ALL kashmiris, whether lone, dar, mir, rathore, etc.

The word comes from Bhatta(priest in Sanskrit), which was the surname held only by Brahmins. Even today in India, you wont find this surname in any other caste. And Kashmir had a high concentration of Pundits. hence, it's not surprising if most Kashmiris have this surname.

 

[KingMamba]

I understood what your point is. But you're not making any effort to see what I'm trying to explain. Which was why I asked if you've picked up this perception from any scholarly article. I hope you also see the paradox in the reason for their conversion. Was it due to mistreatment then or was it due to the efforts of Sufi saints?

I was never trying to explain why some converted to Islam although becoming a Muslim under Muslim rule would yes grant them social mobility. Could have been saint influence as well Kashmir is littered with Sufi shrines it really depends on the area they are from.

My point was why Brahmin Hindus of today hate Muslims more than other castes because historically they had it worse under "foreign Muslim rule".

Not really most of this is collected history from a multitude of sources. Like the relationship between different Muslim groups itself was very complex.

 

[Butchcassidy]

U

Rajput is not a tribe . Jats , Gujjars , hephthalites etc, assimilated to form Rajput community around 1500 years ago

Together with the Hephthalites in India, the Gujars also appeared, who were settled in Punjab, Sind and Rajputan, but a part of them afterwards moved into Malwa, an area later named after them - Gujarat.[Bivar 2003, 200; According to Bivar (2003, 200) the Gujars are ancestral also to the Gujar pastoralists who today frequent the higher elevations of the North-West Frontier Province and Kashmir]

As a result of the merging of the Hephthalites and the Gujars with population from northwestern India, the Rajputs (from Sanskrit “rajputra” – “son of the rajah”) formed. According to the Rajput tradition, the Hunas were included as one of the 36 Rajput clans[Banerji 1962, 57-58]

One of the Rajput clans still keeps the name “Hun”.[Литвинский 1996, 165]

In the 8th century AD the Rajputs moved into the rich area of the Ganges valley and Central India and created the large state under the name Gurjara-Pratihar. The Rajput rulers of the Tomars in 736 built the city Dhillika (modern Delhi) as capital of their state.[ 1 Smith 1907, 927-928; Медведев 1990, 134] Several scholars including D. B. Bhandarkar, Baij Nath Puri and A. F. Rudolf Hoernle believe that the Pratiharas were a branch of Gurjars .[8][9][10][11][12][13]


These conquests have transformed them to one of the decisive factors of the politics in India from the 8th century AD on. The Rajputs, during several centuries, remained in India as an united ethnic unit. In spite of the fact that Rajputs have adopted the religion (though special importance is added Sun) and language of local people, they were able to preserve their mentality and military customs. The Rajputs noticeably differ from their neighbours by nature, according special value to soldierly valor.

u pretty much summed it up. As for the jatts they spread from sindh in two directions, up the indus into punjab and east towards rajasthan harayana and western UP

Most Narus came from indian Punjab .. Have a Naru friend whose family migrated from a village in hoshiyarpur in 47.

Yeah correct bro they are still found in hoshiyarpur, jalandhar and himachal

 

[Indischer]

I was never trying to explain why some converted to Islam although becoming a Muslim under Muslim rule would yes grant them social mobility. Could have been saint influence as well Kashmir is littered with Sufi shrines it really depends on the area they are from.

My point was why Brahmin Hindus of today hate Muslims more than other castes because historically they had it worse under "foreign Muslim rule".

Not really most of this is collected history from a multitude of sources. Like the relationship between different Muslim groups itself was very complex.

And my probing was intended to show that it isn't the case, at least in India. The Brahmins don't have some special hate against Muslims that's not shared by other castes/communities. But being the ones who follow many elaborate rules and being entrusted with Hinduism's most sacred texts however, also meant that they were under attack more than other groups for their overtly Kaffir ways. But it's certainly not passed down to modern times. Those who converted, did so long back, and today's Brahmin folks aren't any more Anti-Muslim than today's Kshatriya or Vaishya or Shudra.

 

[Butchcassidy]

shan bro, but in Sialkot district we have a big Mughal village called Kotli Loharan. They are Mughal Pathans. Half of them live in Peshawar District.

There are original Mughals in Punjab. Families like Beg, Mirza, Chughtai, Barlas, Qazalbash etc

Mate dont mind but a lot of mughals in punjab were ironsmiths or lohars

 

[madooxno9]

Yeah you douche-bags say that in Rajput Maha shabha , LOL . I dare you and i double dare you .

 

[INDIC]

You mentioned @INDIC who is a known Bser and liar, I did not even know he was Buddhist though lol.

Pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Multani]

Mate dont mind but a lot of mughals in punjab were ironsmiths or lohars

yes, they were black smiths

 

[INDIC]

That makes no sense. If Budhists lost debates then how come Tibet and Sri Lanka and Burma didnt become hindu? we are talking about physical attacks, on stupas.

The hindu mandir is stolen architecture from the Budhists.

Hindus killed millions of Budhists, and wiped out their population, assimilating others as time passed by. Budhism died in india

Who told you this crap.

 

[Multani]

Who told you this crap.

history by the west and reality

 

[INDIC]

history by the west and reality

Its called history revisionism Buddhism started to fall in India after the Hun invasion when they even destroyed the Taxila and rest of it was wiped out by Turkic invasion that came along with Ghauri. Hindus hardly have any role in disappearance of Buddhism in India, there is no need to rope in Hindus.

 

[Airboss786]

Pakistani Rajputs are mostly low caste converts who took up the Rajput identity to get rid of their Dalit/Shudra past.

Prove it!

 

[INDIC]

That is not true it is known Buddhism was pushed out through killings as well. That is Indian blanket statement of saying all faith are dharmic so they are all the same which is not true Buddhism was actually a revolt against Hindu system.

Pusyamitra Sunga is one Hindu ruler who Buddhists say persecuted them.

Buddhism didn't disappear in the time of Pushyamitra Sunga but disappeared in the time of Ghauri who sent Khiljis to plunder Buddhist Stupas, the five great Buddhist universities of India Nalanda, Vikramshila, Jaggadala, Somapura and Odantapura were destroyed at the time of Ghauri. Buddhism started to decline after the Hun invasion after the fall of Gupta Dynasty. The Gupta had great patronage for Buddhism and even funded many Buddhist Viharas.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Ghauris are Turks. They mixed into Pashtuns, but they are TURKS [ Mughals ]

Same is the case with Ghilzais. They are TURKS [Mughals] mixed into Pakhtoons -----> Mughal Pathan

If you call the Mughals of Punjab, who are mostly Baig, Barlas, Khamb, Qazalbash, and CHughtai as fakes, please prove it bro.

you don't know what is a Mughal

Ghilzai a aren't Mughal but turko afghan ..not sure about ghauri .. But this happened much before Mughals who were of Mongol origin .. Babur claimed descend from timur .. Apart from that google about qazalbash .. They aren't mugals...

 

[Armstrong]

Ghilzai a aren't Mughal but turko afghan ..not sure about ghauri .. But this happened much before Mughals who were of Mongol origin .. Babur claimed descend from timur .. Apart from that google about qazalbash .. They aren't mugals...

Brother, what about the Baluch ? I remember reading somewhere that the Baluch came to these lands thousands of years ago from present-day Iraq - Is there some truth in this or is this another one of those origin myths that everyone seems to have ?