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A 2015 warning to Pakistan and Turkey by UAE taking shape in 2017.

Actually UAE is shooting itself in the foot by banking on India. Pakistan's interests with Iran are much more important than our relationship with the UAE. They are giving us the reason we need to build a formal alliance with Tehran and consequently secure two of our borders and bring Iran into the CPEC regime.

We will need a master stroke to get good out of Iran. Just some historical facts:

1. The Qarmatians stole the Hajr-al-aswad and pillaged Mecca.

2. Many generals at the time of fall of Baghdad to the Mongols were Shias who has secretly connived with them to not put up a fight in return for gaining power after the downfall of Sunni rule. The Mongols on the other hand just killed them all.

3. According to some scholars, the Shias are actually the continuation of the Jews who were turned out of Arabia.

4. The Fatimids have a long history of brutality and force against the Sunnis.

5. Recently, Iran had the temerity to call in question the authenticity of the services of Khadim-al-haramain Al-Sharifain.

6. In 1400 Hijra, Irani shias again attacked the Ka'aba.

And the list goes on and on. Too many to recount.

I would trust a rabbied dog on the street more than I trust a Shia.

I for one, want to bank on no nation in these times. Friendly brotherly relations need to be kept with UAE but, honestly, somethings can not be taken back. I know the love for the Pakistani nation, the close military ties, and the economic stability provided by the UAE which have helped Pakistan out of many binds. The average Emirati can not undo, and maybe even the President can not undo the feelings of the average Pakistani now. Yes, lavish dinners and press conferences will be able to bring back close relations, but the average Pakistani will have a suspicious eye on UAE.

Just to put it in terms you can understand, our marching in Iran and declaring that the views of security are same as ours.

Let's be cognizant of the fact that the help was provided by a man who has now passed away. We have new people at the helm, and hence new policies. I am not against UAE, but the people who are calling the shots, and the political faction they represent.
 
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We will need a master stroke to get good out of Iran. Just some historical facts:

1. The Qarmatians stole the Hajr-al-aswad and pillaged Mecca.

2. Many generals at the time of fall of Baghdad to the Mongols were Shias who has secretly connived with them to not put up a fight in return for gaining power after the downfall of Sunni rule. The Mongols on the other hand just killed them all.

3. According to some scholars, the Shias are actually the continuation of the Jews who were turned out of Arabia.

4. The Fatimids have a long history of brutality and force against the Sunnis.

5. Recently, Iran had the temerity to call in question the authenticity of the services of Khadim-al-haramain Al-Sharifain.

6. In 1400 Hijra, Irani shias again attacked the Ka'aba.

And the list goes on and on. Too many to recount.

I would trust a rabbied dog on the street more than I trust a Shia.

Ouch!
 
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Let's be cognizant of the fact that the help was provided by a man who has now passed away. We have new people at the helm, and hence new policies. I am not against UAE, but the people who are calling the shots, and the political faction they represent.
:-) that is what I believe
 
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I am also disqppointed by UAE's recent closeness to India, but we should strengthen our relationship with KSA... We must remember Iran is no friend of Pak... What abt kulbhushan yadevs, baba ladla, and uzair baloch, all of whom were given protection in Iran? Also mullah akhtar mansoor who was droned by US in Pak, had come through iran and had iranian visa..

Iran betrayed Pakistan on AQ khan issue, while KSA helped us with oil, after sanctions on Pak for going nuclear... KSA has helped us many times, in times of our need..so even if they were disappointed with us on yemen issue..we should keep composure.... Aleast KSA hasnt publicly threatened Pak or ridiculed Pak, after yemen issue, (like UAE) even if it encouraged, a bit UAE to pressurise Pak initially... But yes, UAE has gone too far in appeasing India... KSA hasnt done tht..

Why doesnt anyone see treachery of Iran on multiple occasions? Iran is closer to India, what abt chabahar port tht iran is developing with India? Why should we distance ourselves with KSA, for Iran which has ditched Pak, many times, and is closer to India? Should we forget all the help tht KSA has provided us?
Most people on the thread do not know about or aren't aware of these facts, they are venting their anger caused by the UAE's foreign affairs minister and linking that to the investments in India, like if the latter was something new..
Pakistan would have gained much by playing it smarter, since it is already dedicated to defend Saudi Arabia, it could have sent a military contingent to guard KSA borders from Houthi attacks, and that would have been enough and would have played in favour of Pakistan not only throughout the GCC, the Arab world and the Muslim world in General but in the eyes of the US and the EU too, all this gain without offending Iran, if that was the cause, and keeping the neutrality paradox as far as it concerns the Yemeni territory..
One should also remember that Pakistan was very busy with CPEC and the war against terrorism, but the move I have explained above would have helped Pakistan in both projects, first by getting its anti-terror operations financed and politically supported by the GCC and many others, and second by insuring a lot more investments in CPEC either now or/and in the future..
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Now a bit off topic but, since I have to vent out some anger too on those Muslims who won't miss a chance to bash and try to degrade the Arabs by calling them names and saying that they are cowards, in doing so they should remember that those Arabs are the ones who shed their blood and sacrificed their souls in beating the biggest and most powerful empires of their time _against all odds, be it in numbers or in material_ namely the Roman and the Persian empires among others, to spread Islam, defend the oppressed and disseminate the true word of justice and democracy.. they were the only ones who made slaves become kings based on their true value, no other civilisation have spread so much good will, science, education, literature, justice, democracy(the real one), and well being of society but them through their culture and humble way of life to all the corners of earth known at their time.. most other civilizations were mainly destructive, and the Arabs have changed that through their courage and faith..
 
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Post#95 and its cheerleading by someone insisting that we involve ourselves just proves that we should stay out of the sectarian cesspool that is the MiddleEast.

Shias are jews??

Trust Shias less than rabid dogs??

These are not the type of sentiments we would want to encourage in Pakistan. We have a choice....
Get together with China with an aim to achieve progress or make our motherland a battleground in a sectarian war just to please some royal rich pu$$ies.
 
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Free oil? Don't BS. Even Saudi are cutting down subsidized for its citizen. China has massive leverage by investing in one country which create jobs and increase per capital income by generating economy. China invest USD 46 billions into Pakistan? How much those small little gulf state invest in Pakistan?
lol, you should look back from 2000-2015 , Investment and bailout / free giving is different. Be ready to give free money like US / SA used to give.....read the PAK and then talk...

$15 billion Saudi bailout likely
http://www.dawn.com/news/1013070
 
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Actually UAE is shooting itself in the foot by banking on India. Pakistan's interests with Iran are much more important than our relationship with the UAE. They are giving us the reason we need to build a formal alliance with Tehran and consequently secure two of our borders and bring Iran into the CPEC regime.

Here here! Someone is seeing it!
 
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Kuwaiti ambassador has rejected those media reports and UAE needs those people to run their economy.

Exactly, they are not doing it out of good will, and ala it makes economical sense, they will keep doing it.

This is geopolitics, not AoE.
 
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There are no friends or enemies, only alignment of interests.


@Horus

Baba Ladla, - Iranian Citizen
Uzair Baloch - Iranian Citizen
Kulbhushan Yadav - came multiple times from Iran
TTP commander killed in drone strike - Came from Iran

Iran is your friend?

Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, next Pakistan? Well if you want to commit suicide, I can't stop you. You will find a way.
 
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@Horus

Baba Ladla, - Iranian Citizen
Uzair Baloch - Iranian Citizen
Kulbhushan Yadav - came multiple times from Iran
TTP commander killed in drone strike - Came from Iran

Iran is your friend?

Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, next Pakistan? Well if you want to commit suicide, I can't stop you. You will find a way.

Bro we too had lots of problems with Iran, probably more than you guys ever had.

But diplomacy solved all the direct problems.. They were feeding terrorist attacks in our country and now we are collaborating with each other against terrorists together.

This is how it works. Time solves many problems and let me tell you this, hostility among "neighbors" is unsustainable as shit.
 
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We are very bad when it comes to diplomacy and time to take right action. Everybody is kicking us.
Pak alliance with Saudi Arabia and U.A.E was best opportunity to cash , & to prove that we are trusted ally in difficult time, but whole world laugh at this when we deceived our old Allys, and 24 hour barking against Saudi & others in parliament about sheikhs, U.A.E always supported Pakistan on Kashmir issue. It was easy war in Yemen with rich brother countries, but our politicians & generals proved that They are coward. Can't take right stance when need.
 
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UAE minister warns Pakistan of ‘heavy price for ambiguous stand’ on Yemen
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"Tehran seems to be more important to Islamabad and Ankara than the Gulf countries" Dr Anwar Mohammed Gargash.

KARACHI: Pakistani lawmakers’ call for the government to remain neutral on the escalating crisis in Yemen has evoked a strong response from the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

“The vague and contradictory stands of Pakistan and Turkey are an absolute proof that Arab security — from Libya to Yemen — is the responsibility of none but Arab countries,” UAE’s Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Dr Anwar Mohammed Gargash said.

As quoted by renowned Emirati newspaper Khaleej Times, Garhash warned Pakistan of having to pay a “heavy price” for taking on what he called an “ambiguous stand”. He added that Pakistan should take a clear position “in favour of its strategic relations with the six-nation Arab Gulf cooperation Council”.
“The Arabian Gulf is in a dangerous confrontation, its strategic security is on the edge, and the moment of truth distinguishes between the real ally and the ally of media and statements,” Gargash tweeted moments after the Pakistani parliament passed the resolution insisting on neutrality in the Yemen conflict.
Gargash went to symbolise Pakistan’s resolution as equivalent of siding up with Iran instead of the Gulf. “Tehran seems to be more important to Islamabad and Ankara than the Gulf countries,” Gargash said.
“Though our economic and investment assets are inevitable, political support is missing at critical moments,” he added.
The statement comes a day after the Parliament passed a unanimous resolution vowing to defend Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity and the holy places of Makkah and Madinah. None of these locations appear to have so far been threatened by the conflict.
“Pakistan should play a mediating role and not get involved in the fighting in Yemen,” the resolution stated, adding that “the Parliament of Pakistan ... underscores the need for continued efforts by the government of Pakistan to find a peaceful resolution of the crisis”.
“[Parliament] desires that Pakistan should maintain neutrality in the Yemen conflict so as to be able to play a proactive diplomatic role to end the crisis,” it stated.

Erdogan, Nawaz discuss Middle East situation
Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan telephoned Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to discuss the crisis situation in Middle East and agreed that both the countries would accelerate efforts to resolve the deteriorating situation through peaceful means, said a statement issued by PM House on Saturday.
During the conversation that lasted for about 45 minutes, both the leaders stressed that Houthis didn't have any right to overthrow a legitimate government in Yemen and affirmed that any violation of the territorial integrity of Saudi Arabia would evoke a strong reaction from both the countries.
The Saudi-led coalition launched air strikes against Houthi rebels on March 26 in support of Yemeni President Abedrabbo Mansour Hadi after they seized the capital and forced him to flee to Aden. The government of Pakistan has so far not announced a decision on Saudi Arabia’s request for Islamabad to join a coalition fighting Houthi rebels by contributing jets, navy ships and ground troops.

As a result of this threat UAE is delivering a clear message to both Pakistan and Turkey.
Turkey------Report
EXCLUSIVE: UAE 'funnelled money to Turkish coup plotters'

#TurkeyCoup
Palestinian exile and Emirati middleman Dahlan was in contact with cleric Gulen before coup attempt, Turkish sources claim
The United Arab Emirates' government collaborated with coup plotters in Turkey before the unsuccessful attempt was launched, using exiled Fatah leader Mohammed Dahlan as a go-between with the US-based cleric accused by Turkey of orchestrating the plot, sources close to one of Turkey’s intelligence services told Middle East Eye.

Dahlan is alleged to have transferred money to the plotters in Turkey in the weeks before the coup attempt and to have communicated with Fethullah Gulen, the cleric alleged by Turkey to have masterminded the plot, via a Palestinian businessman based in the US.

The identity of this man, who is close to Dahlan, is known to a Turkish intelligence service.

Throughout the night of the coup on 15 July, pan-Arab media based in Dubai including Sky News Arabic and Al Arabiya reported that the coup against Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and the ruling Justice and Development Party had been successful.

At one point, media outlets influenced by the Emirates claimed that Erdogan had fled the country. Still, there is no suggestion that the media outlets were involved in the coup.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/exclusive-uae-funnelled-money-turkish-coup-plotters-21441671

Pakistan------Report
How India's strategic partnership with UAE will hit Pakistan where it hurts



The India-UAE relationship is a ‘strategic partnership’. In case there were still any lingering doubts about the matter, the joint statement signed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan mentions this upgraded relationship status no less than six times. But what does it actually mean?
India has established over 20 strategic partnerships over the years with countries that include UAE, the US, France and Japan. The final name on that list should be proof enough that this sort of bilateral partnership is not a one-size-fits-all alliance that “bind(s) nations to support each other on all strategic issues in all situations”, rather a bespoke agreement to collaborate in areas of common interest. In terms of the actual content of these partnerships, they comprise a variety of areas ranging from defence and space research to bilateral trade and investment.
This sort of deal has a two-fold advantage: It allows India to maintain its sense of strategic autonomy in areas where interests may not necessarily converge, and simultaneously, keep open lines of communication for further diplomatic engagement on military and defence issues should the need arise.

While trade, investment and energy appear in the India-UAE joint statement, the dominant theme of the agreement by far, is security and counter-terrorism.

As has already been noted by numerous media outlets and publications already, the statement reads like it was drafted with India’s concerns about Pakistan in mind. Specifically, parts of sections II and III from point 11:

II. Coordinate efforts to counter radicalisation and misuse of religion by groups and countries for inciting hatred, perpetrating and justifying terrorism or pursuing political aims.

III. Denounce and oppose terrorism in all forms and manifestations, wherever committed and by whomever, calling on all states to reject and abandon the use of terrorism against other countries, dismantle terrorism infrastructures where they exist, and bring perpetrators of terrorism to justice.”

The growing threat and capacity of the Islamic State in West Asia, and the chaos engulfing Yemen and Libya means that jihadi terror is now in the UAE’s neighbourhood, if not yet at its doorstep. If properly implemented, the benefits of the agreement to counter terrorism and its infrastructure, financing networks and host nations will be massive for India — a frequent victim of terror attacks and perhaps the most vocal advocate of a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism at the UN. This is especially so because a crackdown on fund-raising activities, facilitated by intelligence-sharing and half-yearly meetings of national security advisers (NSA), could severely deplete the coffers of numerous groups and entities that target India.

But why would the UAE — Pakistan’s largest trade partner, and its biggest source of investment among Gulf countries — sign off an agreement that targets a country with which relations were said to be “emerging into trust-worthy strategic partnership”? As a matter of fact, Pakistan was the first country to formally acknowledge the UAE as an independent country in 1971. So what went wrong?

Look no further than April this year when Pakistan’s Parliament chose not to intervene militarily in the Yemen crisis and rejected Riyadh’s invitation to join the Saudi Arabia-led 10-nation military alliance. The decision, although well received in the Pakistani media, evoked a caustic response from the UAE’s Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash, who accused Islamabad of taking an “ambiguous stand”.

The vague and contradictory stand of Pakistan… (is) an absolute proof that Arab security — from Libya to Yemen — is the responsibility of none but Arab countries”, stated Dr Gargash, adding that Pakistan would have to pay a “heavy price” for taking this position.

Tweeting that “the moment of truth distinguishes between the real ally and the ally of media and statements”, he summed up Pakistan’s relations with the six-country Gulf Cooperation Council saying, “Though our economic and investment assets are inevitable, political support is missing at critical moments”. Clearly Abu Dhabi did not take Islamabad’s refusal to join the battle in Yemen well.

Sure enough, investment and trade continued through the 21st Century, but a trust deficit was palpable between the leadership of the two countries. According to a July 2009 cable made public by Wikileaks, the Crown Prince referred to then President Asif Zardari as “dirty but not dangerous", while Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was described as “dangerous but not dirty”, adding that he “cannot be trusted to honor his promises”.

But the UAE has apparently been wary of Pakistan for a while, judging by 2005 cable leaks that “US forces had made use of Sheikh (Crown Prince) Zayed's private airstrip in Balochistan” allegedly as a base for American drones. Considering the (arguably legitimate) outrage in Pakistan about drone strikes, it’s no surprise the UAE wanted a tight lid on the details. Support to US drones targeting terrorists (and unfortunately, many civilians) in Pakistan was an early indication of Abu Dhabi’s lack of faith in Islamabad’s ability to crack down on terrorism.

The joint statement reflects an amplification of this very lack of faith.

A decade ago, Sheikh Zayed was quoted in a leaked cable as saying that “a new personality (leader of Pakistan) may emerge but for the time being the UAE position was to play a helpful role by supporting the PM”. Whether the UAE continues to take this position, after Pakistan decided not to intervene in Yemen, remains to be seen.

But as it presently stands, India is assembling a dossier on Dawood Ibrahim ahead of NSA-level talks between India and Pakistan on 23-24 August. Intelligence shared by the UAE in this regard could be critical in building a solid case, and could very well be the “heavy price” alluded to by Dr Gargash.

It is not Yemen but Gwadar which hurt UAE most. They don't want competitor against Dubai. Gwadar have everything to devalue Dubai. Gwadar have, land, location and workforce which can damage Dubai greatly. It ok for us to understand this situation
 
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