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9 Indian soldiers killed on LOC - 1 Pakistani Soldier & 5 civilians martyred

then this is REALLY GOOD cuz 9 indian soldiers have been sent to hell...
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uhm yyyyyeah...you sure about that? india is infamous for painting its own casualties as the enemy's casualties like this 71 trophy (notice, it's a mig 21 tail, an aircraft that Pakistan never operated in 71):
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no wonder no one in the world takes anything coming from the indian government or media seriously...

I am showing you the error in your claim so that you can avoid further embarrassment. More importantly, whether they are Indian and Pakistani soldiers, they deserve respect so kindly desist calling them names.
 
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I am showing you the error in your claim so that you can avoid further embarrassment. More importantly, whether they are Indian and Pakistani soldiers, they deserve respect so kindly desist calling them names.
oh speaking of embarrassment, how do you know your media isn't touting the video of their own troops as Pakistani troops? After all, they tout their own mig21 wreckage as a PAF aircraft, dress the dead bodies of their own soldiers as Pakistani soldiers & just gave the highest military award to someone who got shot down without firing a single shot...so it's not like indians aren't adept to creating embarrassing situations for themselves...why would it be any different this time?
 
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oh speaking of embarrassment, how do you know your media isn't touting the video of their own troops as Pakistani troops? After all, they tout their own mig21 wreckage as a PAF aircraft, dress the dead bodies of their own soldiers as Pakistani soldiers & just gave the highest military award to someone who got shot down without firing a single shot...so it's not like indians aren't adept to creating embarrassing situations for themselves...why would it be any different this time?

I trust Indian govt a lot more than Pakistani govt since the the latter is under the Pak military control in most if not all aspects. More to the point, you're the one that tried to pass of that video as Indian soldiers thus proving the point. no interest in protracted arguments, you're welcome.
 
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I trust Indian govt a lot more than Pakistani govt since the the latter is under the Pak military control in most if not all aspects. More to the point, you're the one that tried to pass of that video as Indian soldiers thus proving the point. no interest in protracted arguments, you're welcome.
if you still trust the indian government after stunts like:
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^^^ this along with many MANY more then good for you, I wish you the best of luck in finding that beach front property in arizona. but don't waste our time & bandwidth with your shenanigans.
 
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Bullets do not guide.
Their probability of kill increases with usage and velocity.
Men who are exposed or in weak shelter will get hit and die. If 15 Pakistanis expose themselves to an Indian gun, they will die.
Indians have better positions and do not differentiate between civilians and military targets; it is their training and modus operandi to kill indiscriminate hence our troops are likely to get killed more than theirs as we wont target their soldiers sitting near civilians on their side.

Then Pakistan simply must escalate and introduce precise weapons that target Indian advantages along the LOC. The status quo is unsustainable. Bring in air power if it comes to it. Anything but the status quo. Unacceptable for unarmed civilians to be targeted in such indiscriminate manner.
 
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IT was a bloody Sunday in the vicinity of the Line of Control as at least six civilians and an army jawan embraced martyrdom in AJK due to “indiscriminate shelling” by Indian forces.

The Pakistan Army replied in kind to the provocation, with the ISPR saying that around nine Indian soldiers were killed in the Pakistani counterattack.

The Indians have claimed that “terror launch pads” were targeted on the Pakistani side, but this claim is hardly credible as all evidence shows that innocent civilians were murdered in cold blood by New Delhi’s forces.

According to the Foreign Office, since 2017, the Indians have committed nearly 2,000 ceasefire violations. Such reckless behaviour on the part of New Delhi is totally unacceptable, and in the highly charged atmosphere currently prevailing in South Asia it is akin to playing with fire. Emotions are running high, mainly due to India’s brutal lockdown of India-held Kashmir, and such flagrant violations are sure to draw a response from Pakistan. It would be fair to ask if ultra-hawkish elements within the Indian establishment are purposely seeking to escalate matters with Pakistan.

If India claims it has smashed what it calls terrorist infrastructure in this country, where is the evidence?

The FO has rightly called upon the five permanent UNSC member states “to ask India to provide information about the alleged launch pads”.

The fact is that the state has cracked down on militant groups, and there is no evidence that infiltration into India or across the LoC is occurring from this country. Rather, it seems that the Indians are attempting to promote a psychological warfare campaign against Pakistan.

This is also being done to take the world’s focus away from the atrocious human rights situation in occupied Kashmir.

It seems that the Indian establishment is using a mixture of lies, brinkmanship and violence to cook up another crisis. However, beating the drums of war is one thing; managing a fight between two nuclear-armed states is quite another.

It is hoped that the Hindu extremist clique that rules India realises that should tensions increase to the point of conflict, it will wreak massive devastation in this region.

India needs to immediately cease its hostile behaviour along the LoC and end the siege of IHK. A new conflict in South Asia will be in no one’s interest — and will only worsen matters for the toiling masses.

Published in Dawn, October 22nd, 2019
 
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India pounds AJK villages, loses nine troops in reprisal
Tariq NaqashUpdated October 21, 2019
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A WOMAN stands in front of her damaged house in Jura, a village in Azad Kashmir’s Neelum valley.—AFP
MUZAFFARABAD: Six civilians and a soldier of the Pakistan Army embraced martyrdom while two soldiers and at least nine civilians were wounded in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) after Indian troops resorted to “indiscriminate and ruthless” shelling from across the Line of Control (LoC) past midnight “without any provocation”, civil and military officials said on Sunday.

In a befitting response, Pakistan Army effectively targeted Indian positions across the dividing line, destroying two Indian bunkers, killing nine Indian soldiers and injuring several other troops, according to Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor, director general of the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR), the media affairs wing of Pakistan army.

The ISPR chief identified the martyred soldier as Lance Naik Zahid.

The civilian and military officials said the Nauseri sector, in Muzaffarabad district, and its adjoining Jura and Shahkot sectors, in Neelum valley, were attacked by Indian troops without pause from midnight onwards, using field artillery, mortars and tracer munition to brazenly target civilians.

Prime Minister Imran Khan strongly condemned the unprovoked firing by the Indian occupation forces. He prayed for eternal peace of those martyred and early recovery of the injured, a PM Office statement said.

Mr Khan also saluted the valour of the Pakistan Army for giving a befitting response to the Indian forces.

Six civilians and a soldier embrace martyrdom; PM condemns unprovoked firing

Giving details of the casualties, Deputy Commissioner Badar Munir told Dawn that three persons lost their lives and two were injured after a shell hit their house in Nauseri sector’s Nosadda village. He identified the deceased as Haji Azam, 60, his son Mohammad Rafaqat, 28, and Haji Sarfraz, 47, son of Ghulam Rabbani. Elsewhere in the Nauseri sector, two labourers — Liaquat Ali, 35, from Mardan and Yasir, 30, from Attock — were killed when a shell hit a link road where they were working, he said. In Kanoor village of Nauseri sector, two women and a man were injured, he added.

In Neelum valley, a shopkeeper, Zafar Khan, 45, was killed, said Akhtar Ayub, a disaster management officer based in district headquarters Athmuqam. He added that four women were injured in Jura village.

According to him, Indian shelling destroyed 39 houses and 28 shops and partially damaged 93 houses and 60 shops. Besides, 16 vehicles, including four motorcycles, were also damaged, he said.

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Relatives mourn beside the bodies of those who lost their lives in Indian shelling in Jura village.—AFP


Indian claims rejected

Pakistan rejected India’s claim that they had “smashed four terror launch pads” in Neelum valley in the artillery fire by the Indian Army as a “pack of lies”.

In a statement, Foreign Office rejected Indian media reports about targeting “launch-pads” along the LoC. Calling upon P5 countries “to ask India to provide information about the alleged launch-pads”, the FO expressed willingness to arrange a visit of the P5 diplomats to those locations to expose Indian falsehood. “Heinous targeting of civilians is a typical attempt by India to divert international attention from the humanitarian nightmare in India-occupied Jammu and Kashmir,” the FO added.



In response to a similar claim by the Indian army chief, the ISPR DG tweeted: “Indian COAS’ statement claiming destruction of 3 alleged camps in AJK is disappointing as he holds a very responsible appointment. There are no camps let alone targeting those. Indian Embassy in Pakistan is welcome to take any foreign diplomat / media to ‘prove’ it on ground. The propensity of false claims by senior Indian military leadership, especially since Pulwama incident, is detrimental to peace in the region. Such false claims by Indian Army are being made to suit vested domestic interests. This is against professional military ethos.”



The DG ISPR said the Indian army was struggling to pick bodies and evacuate its injured soldiers. “Indian army [is] raising white flags. This, they should think before initiating unprovoked ceasefire violations and respect military norms by avoiding to target innocent civilians. Indian army shall always get a befitting response to ceasefire violations. Pakistan army shall protect innocent civilians along LoC and inflict unbearable cost to Indian army. Indian lies to justify their false claims and preparations for a false flag operation will continue to be exposed with full truth,” he said.



The AJK premier in a similar tweet said: “Indian claim that it has destroyed any training camps in Azad Kashmir in overnight shelling is as rubbish as their claim regarding [the] Balakot attack. We have repeatedly offered [that] AJK is open to everyone unlike IOK which has always been a no go area for foreign media and observers.”

Mr Haider also posted photos of the victims of the Indian shelling as well as those of the destroyed shops along the main road in Jura, and asked Indian army chief to behave like a soldier and not like a Bollywood film writer. “Whenever savage Indian troops target and kill non-combatant civilian population along the LoC, they lie through their teeth to justify serious breach of all international laws, conventions and military norms,” the AJK premier said.

Indian charge d’ affaires summoned

Meanwhile, in Islamabad India’s Charge d’ Affaires Gaurav Ahluwalia was summoned to the Foreign Office by Director General (SA&SAARC) Dr Mohammad Faisal, who condemned the “unprovoked ceasefire violations by the Indian occupation forces” along the LoC in Jura, Shahkot and Nauseri sectors.

Civilian populated areas along the LoC and Working Boundary have been constantly targeted by the Indian forces with artillery fire, heavy calibre mortars, and automatic weapons. This escalation in ceasefire violations by India had been going on since 2017 when the Indian forces had committed more than 1,970 ceasefire violations, said the FO statement.

“The deliberate targeting of civilian populated areas is indeed deplorable and contrary to human dignity, international human rights and humanitarian laws,” it added.

Dr Faisal also stressed that the UN Military Observers Group must be permitted to play their mandated role, as the secretary of civil defence and disaster management said the latest casualties increased this year’s civilian death toll in AJK to 53 and the number of injured to 246.

Published in Dawn, October 21st, 2019
 
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These incidents will soon escalate to use of nuclear weapons by any side leading to full scale nuclear war in near future
 
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endian sent civilian aircraft with over 100 passengers in Pakistani airspace with military code ……. fuk man this is complete act of war ,,,,,,,, Imagine if Pakistani air defence (now I want to Thanks Allah we don't have any decent range SAM) had shoot it down what might be the headlines around the world ….. And guess what airspace for endian airplane still open … this show you the mentality of Pakistani elite and the future of Kashmir , we like it or not …. I don't want to say more .. @Indus Pakistan
It's only upto PM DM COAS bajwa sb. He will decide what to do. Maybe kashmiri twist in Ehd E wafa?
 
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India used medium artillery and bofors guns on loc. Seems India wants war in Kashmir. More to come. Using these weapon is crossing the red line. After this, next stage is guided missile.
 
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give them another 27 feb they are begging for it :lol:
They really want deep strike this time. May be Indian desperately wants to fail the Kartar pura corridor. Because Indian sikh are not backing from this deal and India govt is very scared.
 
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