8 out of 10 Filipinos are afraid of armed Conflict with China

[Indos]

Heavy naval skirmish can turn quickly into full fledged war to the neighboring countries that share land border with CN, In this case Vietnam. PLA can roll in quickly blitzkrieg style and inflict heavy casualties there for few months before pull back after securing naval victory in most of SCS islands.

If Philippines want to hold back longer while preparing the worst case scenario, PH, My, Vn must have unified voice by fixing all the maritime border issue between themselves in SCS before taking further step to face CN claim as unified voice.

Yup, Vietnam case is different, but I believe that those countries (China and Vietnam) will hold the conflict mainly on SCS, thus avoiding damage on each other economy and civilian casualties during the SCS war. By holding the conflict mainly in SCS, China and Vietnam can also secure more moral support from their people, thus eliminating any chance to get any political punch to those countries leaderships because of conducting the war.

Another reasons that China will not do any attack on Vietnam's land is because Vietnamese is good at protecting their land during recent war, maybe there is still some trauma hanging on their military leadership mind. Beside that, China is also afraid to face any economic sanction if they escalate the war into China-Vietnam border.

In my opinion, if there is any economic sanction imposed into China because of SCS war, it will be possibly initiated by European first, USA (and maybe Japan) will use European countries to do it for them since USA and Japan also depend on China economy greatly, both countries in my opinion fear any retaliation from China economically if they initiated it first.

Yes, correct, fixing the dispute between them first is really a good idea for them.

 

[Zero_wing]

I don't think China will be in the position to 'rolling' through the Philippines, my friend. The Philippines is probably the most important country in ASEAN , in the Japanese view, as the country has over 150,000 Japanese nationals living there, with over 1,400 Japanese businesses and facilities dotting the entire country.

On a realistic view, i must say, the recent evolution of relations between Manila and Tokyo is natural. Both countries have had historical relations , and the upgrading of relations to strategic partners from merely just cultural and economic partners -- is ideal for us.

The Philippines , eventually, will fall under Japanese Collective Self Defense and as how things are progressing, a defense-economic-political union between Tokyo and Manila would help secure East Asia. Stabilize it. The alignment between Japan and Philippines will, in my opinion, reduce the possibility of clash between Manila and Beijing.

It's good for us, good for the Filipinos and good for the Chinese.




My friend, that was a very insulting post, please be more objective and rational in your analysis. The possibility of re-engagmenet between China and Philippines is there. One should be not so quick to demean others, in this case, the Filipinos.

Let's please remain calm headed and respectful.



Japan's invasion of Korea and Ming's intervention was so costly that it led to the collapse of the Ming Dynasty, and the rise of the Qing. Don't blame us for the actions of some Hanjian who opened the proverbial 'gates' to the Qing forces, as well.

No need to tell him his typical chinese imperial prick no brain just patriotic education

Many ASEAN countries get huge benefit by trading with China, on the other hand Indonesia doesnt have that benefit and we just get so many China product penetrating our market with cheaper price, thus making some of our industry collapse. So that is the difference. In Indonesia side, we are not dependent to China economically, which is different with Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand since these countries are running export driven economy to boost their GDP and they really get much benefit from trading with China.

Of course Indonesia is very important to Philippine if there is a war with China at SCS, it is because China has huge naval power, so they can blockade you easily. Only Indonesia that can give you another sea route alternative. By seeing the relationship between Philipine and Indonesia, China can see whether blockading you is effective or not. So without helping you in direct military way, we have already made them think twice in this war scenario.

If there is a war at SCS, it will be like Falkland war, it means the war will be mainly conducted at sea and SCS island. In this case, there will be no total war going on that can result in many civilian casualties. The casualties will be mainly happened on each other military force.

Not so much of the falklands one china is not UK many nations are already at odds with china

By your logic, most countries in the region have good/stable relationship (mostly trade) are chinese puppet?
Most of the countries in the region also have good/stable relationship with rising sun, so are we Japanese puppet? (of course not, we just enjoy watching JAV)

No i said no one is going to come in anyone aid over West Philippine sea Because ASEAN is fragmented

Heavy naval skirmish can turn quickly into full fledged war to the neighboring countries that share land border with CN, In this case Vietnam. PLA can roll in quickly blitzkrieg style and inflict heavy casualties there for few months before pull back after securing naval victory in most of SCS islands.

If Philippines want to hold back longer while preparing the worst case scenario, PH, MY, VN must have unified voice by fixing all the maritime border issue between themselves in SCS before taking further step to face CN claim as unified voice.

True but count Malaysia out not gonna happen

 

[pr1v4t33r]

True but count Malaysia out not gonna happen

Maybe, but as long as maritime border dispute between PH, VN & MY remain regarding SCS, you can't really hope other ASEAN member to give more concrete support to face CN claim other than pushing the implementation of COC to prevent any violent move by any claimant.

 

[70U63]

Who going to aid you when most of the countries in the region have their own bigger issue to deal with?
You just sit down, think calmly and ask yourself why the region is fxcked? No point to explain more. OK, better not to focus on the whole region, but just one country (PH).
For PH, i will just say wait for the next president as history already proved that your current president is incompetent (calm down, accept it, don't deny it, choose wisely next time ).

No i said no one is going to come in anyone aid over West Philippine sea Because ASEAN is fragmented

 

[Zero_wing]

Who going to aid you when most of the countries in the region have their own bigger issue to deal with?
You just sit down, think calmly and ask yourself why the region is fxcked? No point to explain more. OK, better not to focus on the whole region, but just one country (PH).
For PH, i will just say wait for the next president as history already proved that your current president is incompetent (calm down, accept it, don't deny it, choose wisely next time ).

Really kinda explain why are economy is doing so well then why are we building from from left to right more than we have ever since if that's true you anti filipino d bags will say any anything your kinda like again that malaysian ignorant chief who said crap about filipino cuisine who should go back to culinary school to learn some. Accept my @$$ go back and rethink your post dbag and if you tell me thats good criticism then obviously you need to good back to school and re lean some basic GMRC because criticism without some evidence is just hating.

Maybe, but as long as maritime border dispute between PH, VN & MY remain regarding SCS, you can't really hope other ASEAN member to give more concrete support to face CN claim other than pushing the implementation of COC to prevent any violent move by any claimant.

But remember china claims a whole sea even your ezz well everyone ezz alone so think about that but again as individual for me asean isis just a talk box nothing more and just good economy wise and allow us to travel paasport free but thats just it we are no EU or NATO thats for sure but in times like this we should be united on a common problem but again too much baggage

 

[JayMandan]

Well, it has been long time that I've gotten into a fight (real one) with a Pillipeeno midget!

Street fight? Who won?

 

[70U63]

Not that I'm anti-PH, it is just obvious that your gov is incompetent (you just try to deny it).
I will stop here to prevent intensify this troll fest

Really kinda explain why are economy is doing so well then why are we building from from left to right more than we have ever since if that's true you anti filipino d bags will say any anything your kinda like again that malaysian ignorant chief who said crap about filipino cuisine who should go back to culinary school to learn some. Accept my @$$ go back and rethink your post dbag and if you tell me thats good criticism then obviously you need to good back to school and re lean some basic GMRC because criticism without some evidence is just hating.

 

[Zero_wing]

Not that I'm anti-PH, it is just obvious that your gov is incompetent (you just try to deny it).
I will stop here to prevent intensify this troll fest

Evidence then? Again if that was true why are good so well in terms of economics after so many things happen like stroms etc if so incompetent? Sure we have lapses sure but we are not incompetent so before you post think for sec am just saying and please why hide the fact your just like dbag of malaysian chief your the real troll here you dont even have evidence or the balls to finish what you started hence the real troll here is you just other anti filipino basher.

 

[70U63]

Wow, so you felt insulted because some dumb Malaysian politician made an idiot comment regarding PH food?
In regard to the competency of PH leadership, i got no further comment

Evidence then? Again if that was true why are good so well in terms of economics after so many things happen like stroms etc if so incompetent? Sure we have lapses sure but we are not incompetent so before you post think for sec am just saying and please why hide the fact your just like dbag of malaysian chief your the real troll here you dont even have evidence or the balls to finish what you started hence the real troll here is you just other anti filipino basher.

 

[JayMandan]

Not that I'm anti-PH, it is just obvious that your gov is incompetent (you just try to deny it).
I will stop here to prevent intensify this troll fest

Aquino is way better than his predecessors but the next one will be a game changer. Our government needs total overhaul and by that we need someone as crazy as Duterte. Exciting times ahead!

 

[Aepsilons]

Wow, so you felt insulted because some dumb Malaysian politician made an idiot comment regarding PH food?
In regard to the competency of PH leadership, i got no further comment

In defense of the Philippines, at least the Philippine Government does not implement clearly racist state sponsored preferential policies such as NEP, which is currently implemented in Malaysia and creates a racial preferential paradigm -- and leads to social and cultural irritation for the Chinese Malaysian and Indian Malaysian communities.

In regards to politics and inter-state dynamic within Malaysia, it definitely leads one to analyze and identify various sectors in Malaysian politics that needs immediate improvement. Not that I'm saying the Philippines is devoid of political instability, as the country is in the process of anti-corruption drives , but both Malaysia and the Philippines are in the process of improving through increasing transparency. And quite frankly Malaysian Government is in no position to be lecturing the Philippines on efficiency and corruption. Period.

Bagaimanakah engkau dapat berkata kepada saudaramu: Saudara, biarlah aku mengeluarkan selumbar yang ada di dalam matamu, padahal balok yang di dalam matamu tidak engkau lihat? Hai orang munafik, keluarkanlah dahulu balok dari matamu, maka engkau akan melihat dengan jelas untuk mengeluarkan selumbar itu dari mata saudaramu!!!!!!!!!!!!

@powastick , your conjecture ?

Aquino is way better than his predecessors but the next one will be a game changer. Our government needs total overhaul and by that we need someone as crazy as Duterte. Exciting times ahead!

Korek gayod ka bai @JayMandan kini si Rodrigo Duterte ay isang pinakang ehemplong politiko diha sa Pilipinas. Angay gayod ako sa iya policy sa drug activity , kai iya ra gayod patyon ang mga bu ang drug adik diha sa Davao. Isug pod siya kai naka basa man ko sa una og naka dungog pod ako sa mga Japanese community diha sa Davao nga kini si Duterte..ning ingon siya sa mga Kristiyano og mga Muslim nga komunidad "Ayaw gayod mo duwa duwa diri kai patyon lang kamo og mo buhat kamo og bati diri sa Davao."

Kana, bai, kana ay isang pinakakang ehemplong politiko !

Angay gayod ko ni Duterte. Isog pa, idealistic pa gayod !

 

[70U63]

That's why i said in previous post that we just wait for the next president.

Aquino is way better than his predecessors but the next one will be a game changer. Our government needs total overhaul and by that we need someone as crazy as Duterte. Exciting times ahead!

We knew our country have various problems. This is not the issue here which we have discussed in other thread.
We (as normal citizen) don't lecture other country but simply comment for sake of trolling like others in the forum.
A country is in shxt state because there are some issue with the leadership and the people. A weak country usually have a lots of politician making lot of stupid comments that we can clearly see from news from Malaysia and PH.

In defense of the Philippines, at least the Philippine Government does not implement clearly racist state sponsored preferential policies such as NEP, which is currently implemented in Malaysia and creates a racial preferential paradigm -- and leads to social and cultural irritation for the Chinese Malaysian and Indian Malaysian communities.

In regards to politics and inter-state dynamic within Malaysia, it definitely leads one to analyze and identify various sectors in Malaysian politics that needs immediate improvement. Not that I'm saying the Philippines is devoid of political instability, as the country is in the process of anti-corruption drives , but both Malaysia and the Philippines are in the process of improving through increasing transparency. And quite frankly Malaysian Government is in no position to be lecturing the Philippines on efficiency and corruption. Period.

Bagaimanakah engkau dapat berkata kepada saudaramu: Saudara, biarlah aku mengeluarkan selumbar yang ada di dalam matamu, padahal balok yang di dalam matamu tidak engkau lihat? Hai orang munafik, keluarkanlah dahulu balok dari matamu, maka engkau akan melihat dengan jelas untuk mengeluarkan selumbar itu dari mata saudaramu!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Aepsilons]

That's why i said in previous post that we just wait for the next president.


We knew our country have various problems. This is not the issue here which we have discussed in other thread.
We (as normal citizen) don't lecture other country but simply comment for sake of trolling like others in the forum.
A country is in shxt state because there are some issue with the leadership and the people. A weak country usually have a lots of politician making lot of stupid comments that we can clearly see from news from Malaysia and PH.

I have been to Malaysia 2 times; both of which were in Kuala Lumpur. I have been to the Philippines plenty of times, far more than Malaysia. In the Philippines I have visited not just Manila, Makati City, Quezon, but have traversed through Cebu, Bohol, Leyte, in Mindanao I have been to Davao, Dipolog, Zamboanga. I can tell you that, to me that is, despite the political changes needed in the Philippines, i find the society in the Philippines to be much more liberated, and less racial tension as compared to Malaysia. And I can tell you that the Philippines of say 2001 (the first time i visited Philippines) has changed compared to the Philippines of say 2015. It is no longer backwards or "sick man of Asia" as it was in the 1990s. Remember, friend, Philippines has an economy that is larger than Vietnam + Cambodia + Laos combined. Their economy is growing at 7% per annum, and the country is transforming year after year for the better.

Clearly their government is doing something right. Is their government perfect? No, it is not, however, they are making changes and seeing the returns in the Leaps and bounds.

Seems to me that you need to enlighten (+ increase) your understanding of the Philippines.

 

[70U63]

OK, i admit it; usually we only focus/ look at/ learn from someone who is stronger

Clearly their government is doing something right. Is their government perfect? No, it is not, however, they are making changes and seeing the returns in the Leaps and bounds.

Seems to me that you need to enlighten (+ increase) your understanding of the Philippines.

 

[Aepsilons]

OK, i admit it; usually we only focus/ look at/ learn from someone who is stronger

Kekuatan dan kuasa saha ja? Come on buddy, to see the larger picture, you need to go and taste the root of the plant, not just the leaves. When you eat 'Asam jawa', you don't just lick the fruit, but you bite into it, and with your tongue and teeth, remove the flesh from the seed.

Same as national political science and analysis thereof.



Regards,
@Nihonjin1051