8 BJP workers resign in 24 hours after targeted killings in Jammu and Kashmir

[Clutch]

I kind of agree with you here. In present times, the munafiq term is thrown around like candy and generally applied to anyone who disagrees with your opinion.

That's not what I'm talking about...

Munafik (Gadaar) wrt to the so-called "Muslim" Kashmiris that are willing and official members of BJP to allow:
1. The military occupation of Kashmiri,
2. Support the annexation (article 370) of Kashmir into India,
3.Oppose the self determination of Muslim Kashmiris,
4. Defacto support the rape and murder of innocent Kashmiris women and children at the hands of Hindutva Indian Army,
5. Support the stated BJP manifesto of demographic change of Kashmir through Hindu migration from the south at the detriment of their kinsmen..

If that isn't Munaafiks and Gadaar ... I don't frickin know what is!...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Do you know the difference between a Munafik wrt to gadaar (traitor) in a war scenario and a Munafik based on Imaan (belief)????... There is a huge difference!

Even your idols America, West and every frickin nation thought history had the death penalty for Dadaars (traitors) to the enemy States during war.

If you don't think Hindutva India is at war with Kashmir then... I'm out ...

Few traitors have been killed and the rest have left BJP/RSS and hopefully made taubah.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That's not what I'm talking about...

Munafik (Gadaar) wrt to the so-called "Muslim" Kashmiris that are willing and official members of BJP to allow:
1. The military occupation of Kashmiri,
2. Support the annexation (article 370) of Kashmir into India,
3.Oppose the self determination of Muslim Kashmiris,
4. Defacto support the rape and murder of innocent Kashmiris women and children at the hands of Hindutva Indian Army,
5. Support the stated BJP manifesto of demographic change of Kashmir through Hindu migration from the south at the detriment of their kinsmen..

If that isn't Munaafiks and Gadaar ... I don't frickin know what is!...

Islamic fiqh is very clear about this. It is death penalty for traitors. Mujahideen are doing the correct thing.

May Allah swt bless them.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

but how do we know who is munafiq? killing, abusing and oppressing are crimes itself anyway.. even if a muslim does that.


traitor is traitor.. munafiq means hypocrite... the one who declare something else but don't believe in it. Like doing fake promises.

when bro..!! they were in small number in Madina.. nothing else.. During first Caliph time, wars were fought,, mainly against people refused to pay zakat (so rebellion and challenging govt writ) and against false apostles...
overall it is.. @Clutch

We should come out of this habit calling others Munafiq and Kafir.. we can say someone non-muslim if, he doesn't follow Islam.

Traitor and Munafiq is the same thing in this scenario.

I guess you are implying there is some ambiguity here.

There is not.

 

[xeuss]

That's not what I'm talking about...

Munafik (Gadaar) wrt to the so-called "Muslim" Kashmiris that are willing and official members of BJP to allow:
1. The military occupation of Kashmiri,
2. Support the annexation (article 370) of Kashmir into India,
3.Oppose the self determination of Muslim Kashmiris,
4. Defacto support the rape and murder of innocent Kashmiris women and children at the hands of Hindutva Indian Army,
5. Support the stated demographic change of Kashmir through Hindu migration from the south at the detriment of their kinsmen..

If that isn't Munaafiks and Gadaar ... I don't frickin know what is!...

Fair enough, and those are all valid points. But has it occurred to you that all this is from your point of view?

Don't take this the wrong way, but there are a section of Muslims in India (kashmiris included) who genuinely believe they are not doing anything wrong. Their line of thinking is that India is here to stay, and we are going to be living in India, so why don't we take the best deal we have out there and try to make the best of the situation.

It is difficult for a person who is living outside India (and in a Muslim country) to understand, but when you are stuck in a hopeless situation, sometimes it is easier to give in, thinking you are doing the best for the people around you.

In this present situation, a munafiq would be one who *knows* what he is doing is wrong, and still is joining with the BJP for monetary or political benefit.

All I ask is to keep an open mind, and try and understand that not everything is black and white.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Don't take this the wrong way, but there are a section of Muslims in India (kashmiris included) who genuinely believe they are not doing anything wrong.

With all due respect brother, this situation does not apply to Kashmiris. They have chosen to fight for merger with us against all odds.

 

[xeuss]

With all due respect brother, this situation does not apply to Kashmiris. They have chosen to fight for merger with us against all odds.

The topic of this thread is about Kashmiris, and those that joined the BJP, and the subsequent actions. So unfortunately, this situation very well applies.

All I am saying here is that not all those who join the BJP, especially at a village sarpanch level, did so out of personal benefit. These villages are poor, and sometimes the only source of employment is to enroll yourself in a government sponsored scheme where you are made sarpanch.

It is very easy to call people of munafiq. But sometimes, poverty is what forces you, and not personal or monetary benefit.

 

[Clutch]

Fair enough, and those are all valid points. But has it occurred to you that all this is from your point of view?

Don't take this the wrong way, but there are a section of Muslims in India (kashmiris included) who genuinely believe they are not doing anything wrong. Their line of thinking is that India is here to stay, and we are going to be living in India, so why don't we take the best deal we have out there and try to make the best of the situation.

It is difficult for a person who is living outside India (and in a Muslim country) to understand, but when you are stuck in a hopeless situation, sometimes it is easier to give in, thinking you are doing the best for the people around you.

In this present situation, a munafiq would be one who *knows* what he is doing is wrong, and still is joining with the BJP for monetary or political benefit.

All I ask is to keep an open mind, and try and understand that not everything is black and white.

Fair point... However, I suspect that their motivation is primarily financial. As is for most treasonous acts.

But in this case, I believe there are times where known facts are so overwhelming that naivety and/or indifference are not an excuse. There is undeniable evidence that BJP is pursuing a genocidal pogrom against the Kashmiri Muslims. It's is part of their official manifesto vis-a-vis changing the 'demographics' of the region.

During WWII there were Jews who supported the Nazis who were also pursuing demographic changes to Germany and it's occupied territories. The Jewish collaborators were questioned post WWII, "why did you collaborate with the Nazis against your own people?"... Their response was 1. They were in it to save their own skin. 2. They were not really aware of the extermination camps. Or 3. They really thought that by collaborating they would be somehow be saving the larger Jewish population by demonstrating Jews as loyal subjects of Nazi Germany.

You know what... End of the day, they were collaborator and traitors to the Jews. And they deserved death... Ignorance and belligerence is never an excuse.

BJP/RSS have publically stated their affection of Nazi Germany but instead it's geared towards Muslims (instead of Jews)

https://www.ushmm.org/information/p...aboration-and-complicity-during-the-holocaust

 

[xeuss]

Fair point... However, I suspect that their motivation is primarily financial. As is for most treasonous acts.

But in this case, I believe there are times where known facts are so overwhelming that naivety and/or indifference are not an excuse. There is undeniable evidence that BJP is pursuing a genocidal pogrom against the Kashmiri Muslims. It's is part of their official manifesto vis-a-vis changing the 'demographics' of the region.

During WWII there were Jews who supported the Nazis who were also pursuing demographic changes to Germany and it's occupied territories. The Jewish collaborators were questioned post WWII, "why did you collaborate with the Nazis against your own people?"... Their response was 1. They were in it to save their own skin. 2. They were not really aware of the extermination camps. Or 3. They really thought that by collaborating they would be somehow be saving the larger Jewish population by demonstrating Jews as loyal subjects of Nazi Germany.

You know what... End of the day, they were collaborator and traitors to the Jews. And they deserved death... Ignorance and belligerence is never an excuse.

BJP/RSS have publically stated their affection of Nazi Germany but instead it's geared towards Muslims (instead of Jews)

https://www.ushmm.org/information/p...aboration-and-complicity-during-the-holocaust

Mostly agree...however....please read this article. As I said, life is never black and white.

https://thekashmirwalla.com/2020/02/panchayati-raj-in-kashmir-we-are-on-a-path-to-nowhere/

 

[Goenitz]

In present times, the munafiq term is thrown around like candy

that is he whole point as what comes next is, people throwing Quran verdicts against these people..
like someone made a wedding video in mosque.. blame him kafir, and what is punishment of kafir in Quran, death. Then comes fatwa, whosoever kill him get paradise.

Even once a Muslim was caught giving sensitive information to Makkan Kuffar,

Hatim bin abi Balta. He was Badri sahabi.

However, these traitors in Kashmir

@xeuss you are right that out of desperation they have joined BJP.. but it is a narrative. For us and most Kashmiris, they are traitors (political one).. for Dehli, they are patriot.
else we don't hate those muslims BJP workers and BJP don't like them (i suppose).. but whosoever supports oppressor/commit crimes, must be dealt with own law. For us they are committing crimes.. for Dehli they aren't.. technically, they are in catch 22.
This all conjuncture is based on, Kashmir is Pakistan and India is occupying force.

 

[Goenitz]

You know what... End of the day, they were collaborator and traitors to the Jews. And they deserved death... Ignorance and belligerence is never an excuse.

1.Ignorance has no excuse. Like if someone drinks poison unknowingly, it will kill him. So knowledge saves one.
2. Some Sahabh (RA) unintentionally disobeyed Holy Prophet's command (SW) in Uhad. Still as a command was neglected by some, entire muslim army suffered heavy losses.

 

[Imran Khan]

its good kashmiris start killing these traitors .

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The topic of this thread is about Kashmiris, and those that joined the BJP, and the subsequent actions. So unfortunately, this situation very well applies.

All I am saying here is that not all those who join the BJP, especially at a village sarpanch level, did so out of personal benefit. These villages are poor, and sometimes the only source of employment is to enroll yourself in a government sponsored scheme where you are made sarpanch.

It is very easy to call people of munafiq. But sometimes, poverty is what forces you, and not personal or monetary benefit.

Ideally they should be given a chance to make taubah and pray two rakat if necessary. The choice is for Kashmiris whether to accept that or not.

We are not in the situation to judge the Kashmiri people for taking care of collaborators.

As for these particular people,, I am glad they are leaving BJP, they should join the resistance.

 

[Verve]

Ideally they should be given a chance to make taubah and pray two rakat if necessary. The choice is for Kashmiris whether to accept that or not.

We are not in the situation to judge the Kashmiri people for taking care of collaborators.

As for these particular people,, I am glad they are leaving BJP, they should join the resistance.

Those muslims siding with the oppressors who harm, rape and kill a majority are munafiqeen and traitors.

And those voicing support for these munafiqeen and traitors are what exactly themselves?

 

[Suriya]

its good kashmiris start killing these traitors .

We know, Pakistanis are only interested killings in Kashmir and also in India at large.

It doesn't matter to Pakistanis who get killed in India whether Hindus or muslims... security forces or terrorists. Fortunately, Indian and kashmiri muslims are aware of it.

India is beyond religion? What have you been smoking dude?

Muslims are targeted and lynched *because* of their religion. Elections are won because of religion.

you are talking as if india muslims are innocent herd of cattles who wouldn't hurt a fly. LOL