7hours & 310km/h, last sunday i(cnleio) just 'flying' half of China by CRH train

[Kai Liu]

you misunderstand that "we" don't represent for our country. "We" as you called are not the same, there're people can afford, some others not.

So the meaningful discussion is about how cheap, which cheap, how effective in personal aspect.

As answer for your question, the new T2 passenger terminal in Hanoi Airport just completed has the capacity of 15 million.

You know what I am talking about, but you are trying to play with words. OK, let me put this way: the fraction of people can afford regular train travel in Vietnam equals the fraction of people can afford high speed train travel in China. Fair enough? So you don't have to worry about our high speed railway project more than your own poor infrastructure.
Wrt what you have said about air travel in Vietnam, it seems every people should travel by air in Vietnam, assume you are not talking BS. But your capital's new terminal fails to impress because a design capacity of 15 million is just a 3rd tier city airport level here in China.

 

[kyle Chiang]

@Nihonjin1051 : could you explain this to us ?

Good question.Any vehicles will slow its speed when extreme weathers.And for different class conditions,there are different pre-arranged plans when high-speed trains run.

At least 7 laws and regulations involving train safety running.
Thus an official announcement which called Railway emergency plan for storm snow fog and other bad weather is published according them.


During 19 to 21,Feb,2014,that's the only one time emergency processing mechanism started .The high-speed train was keeping about 200 km/h and caused so much traffic delays.

 

[bolo]

Hanoi-HCMC 1,300km air travel, Only cost 250RMB in Vietnam ???
As far as i knew, ur airline cost is cheaper than in China ... generally i bought discount airline tickets still cost 400RMB, i didn't find any >1,000km air travel can cheaper than 300RMB in China airline yet.

250RMB can travel 1,300km, it's a amazing price.

Dude, i think you're the only Chinese member who reply to BoQ77 seriously. Don't waste your time. This dude is a troll. Most Vietnamese are poor so 250rmb is expensive to them.
To most of us, it's a really great price.

 

[cnleio]

Dude, i think you're the only Chinese member who reply to BoQ77 seriously. Don't waste your time. This dude is a troll. Most Vietnamese are poor so 250rmb is expensive to them.
To most of us, it's a really great price.

LOL ...

 

[sweetgrape]

Dude, i think you're the only Chinese member who reply to BoQ77 seriously. Don't waste your time. This dude is a troll. Most Vietnamese are poor so 250rmb is expensive to them.
To most of us, it's a really great price.

HCMC and Hanoi like Beijing and Shanghai of China, their distance also similar, the flights between the two cities all are the busiest at home, so you can buy some relatively cheaper ticket, so he make these as example(250RMB is very good price, do you now how much he should pay for it totally, how many can get such cheap ticket? and what's the normal price of ticket?)

if you search, the air ticket from Shanghai to Beijing, you can buy the cheaper tickets with about 500 RMB, of course, the flight is not at good time. the most important is, the HSR can work for all stations along the line, but Airplane just can work for people in terminals, two vehicles have their own advantage, that guy here just want to prove China developing HSR is wrong, he have done many times, hehe, don't know whether he is ignorant, or just, you know, but can sure that the guy is very hypocritical, in the forum, I think he is the most hypocritical, but I like reading his comments, his comments and threads are always "funny".

 

[cnleio]

Pics on ShenZhen subway to the airport

 

[cnleio]

ShenZhen (New) Airport, a fantasy building
(i think they has the Asia 1st longest Waiting Hall, coz i spent half of hour walking from airport entrance to the boarding gate ... i saw their staffs driving Golf Car inside the Waiting Hall. )

 

[cnleio]

Half of hour walking inside the Waiting Hall of ShenZhen (New) Airport

Finally the boarding gate ...

 

[BoQ77]

You know what I am talking about, but you are trying to play with words. OK, let me put this way: the fraction of people can afford regular train travel in Vietnam equals the fraction of people can afford high speed train travel in China. Fair enough? So you don't have to worry about our high speed railway project more than your own poor infrastructure.
Wrt what you have said about air travel in Vietnam, it seems every people should travel by air in Vietnam, assume you are not talking BS. But your capital's new terminal fails to impress because a design capacity of 15 million is just a 3rd tier city airport level here in China.

We have no reason to worry about China HSR, whileas to most CN members here, it's better than CN passenger airliners. So logically, learn from leio experience, I would choose HSR when travel in CN.
If you read my post, you'd seen that I shared the info that our railway take 1 day and a half to travel the same distance to cnleio's trip. That's so bad. While the airliners are more competitive and give us the chance to move fast with cheaper fare. That's why everybody should choose airway over railway in Vietnam.

You're going to wrong way to compare in macro figures, while we just want to share what belong to personal experience
LIKE our @cnleio's personal experience. I appreciate the shared thing from cnleio, helpful to everybody and himself to have a look at newly means of transport in China. When ppl travel to Vietnam, they would appreciate my shared thing as local guy experience. Don't be so serious to attack me.

I just gave the 15mil number as an raw material reply to yours, actually I don't mean anything with it. I welcome any comment like yours ( despite you look like offending all of my posts ) LOL.

Hmmm.. It is very cheap indeed. But I am wandering still how many people travel by air in Vietnam or can they afford it? If you check the world's busiest airports, Beijing capital airport ranked second with 83,650,000 passengers. I would like to know what is the figure for Vietnam.

To me, the big airport with expensive fare and often delay is not good as a medium airport with cheap fare and quick acts. As you know there're airport fee, security charge incl. in air ticket.
If you travel a lot, you know my meaning. as a passenger.

 

[TaiShang]

China's subway manufacturer inks landmark US deal

Xinhua, January 26, 2015

China CNR Corporation Limited, a leading manufacturer of locomotives in China, announced a subway export contract with the United States on Monday.

It is the country's first foray into the U.S. rail transit market.

China CNR will sell 284 subway trains worth 4.118 billion yuan (670 million U.S. dollars) to the transportation regulator in Massachusetts, to equip Boston's Red and Orange subway lines, according to the announcement.

The subway trains are designed to run 102 kilometers per hour and up to 129,000 kilometers a year on regular maintenance for at least 30 years.

The Chinese company also plans to tap markets in New York, Washington D.C. and other U.S. cities. They will set up a R&D base in the country to promote localized production by recruiting and training locals.

The United States contract means, throughout the value chain, China's rail companies now cover the world's six continents.

China has been accelerating attempts for overseas investment in its rail technology, with cooperative talks with 28 countries underway.

 

[BoQ77]

Most Vietnamese are poor so 250rmb is expensive to them.
To most of us, it's a really great price.

Everybody must admit that a good price.
Vietnam GDP PPP about 4,000 USD / year, I don't think 35-40 USD for a cross-country trip is too expensive to them,

Vietnamese ppl would grow the habit to travel by air soon.
Now, sometimes they still acts as they are on board a bus. Smoking, littering, some acts violate air security.

If Chinese ppl travel in Vietnam, they would feel it's very pleasant to get such a good price for their holiday trip, like the way Korean, Japanese... feel ..

 

[BoQ77]

that guy here just want to prove China developing HSR is wrong, he have done many times, hehe, don't know whether he is ignorant, or just, you know, but can sure that the guy is very hypocritical, in the forum, I think he is the most hypocritical, but I like reading his comments, his comments and threads are always "funny".

Yes. In macroeconomics, to me, that huge investment is not effective.
But herein we discussed on the personal aspect. Remember pls

Chinese can't use American airline system as daily basis ( because China airline system is bad), they must choose among means of transports in China.
No matter what's an ineffective investment. But the time and fare each offer.

So if airliner worse than HSR they should choose HSR, we choose HSR.

 

[hans]

How could you consider the huge investment is not effective?
With such investment, we bring up capacity for HSR manufacturing, construction.
Also the economy is much improved with HSR.
China developed so fast as we keep investing on such projects to improve transportation, logistic, etc..

Also as China is so big with so many people, airline, HSR, bus, cars will be all important transportation for China..
There will be different demand of different people.

Yes. In macroeconomics, to me, that huge investment is not effective.
But herein we discussed on the personal aspect. Remember pls

Chinese can't use American airline system as daily basis ( because China airline system is bad), they must choose among means of transports in China.
No matter what's an ineffective investment. But the time and fare each offer.

So if airliner worse than HSR they should choose HSR, we choose HSR.

The thing will change..
You don`t like the trains in Vietnam because it is too slow..
If you have HSR in Vietnam, probably you will love it.
HSR is a good option for Vietnam with long and narrow territory.
Also at first, Chinese blame HSR for too high price comparing with origin slower trains
After years of experience and airline delay impact, people start to love the HSR..

Also from experience in China, many small airport is not so effective as a big airport.
Here in east China with the best economy, there are many airport..
Yet most passenger go through few key airport. While other smaller airport lack of passenger..

We have no reason to worry about China HSR, whileas to most CN members here, it's better than CN passenger airliners. So logically, learn from leio experience, I would choose HSR when travel in CN.
If you read my post, you'd seen that I shared the info that our railway take 1 day and a half to travel the same distance to cnleio's trip. That's so bad. While the airliners are more competitive and give us the chance to move fast with cheaper fare. That's why everybody should choose airway over railway in Vietnam.

You're going to wrong way to compare in macro figures, while we just want to share what belong to personal experience
LIKE our @cnleio's personal experience. I appreciate the shared thing from cnleio, helpful to everybody and himself to have a look at newly means of transport in China. When ppl travel to Vietnam, they would appreciate my shared thing as local guy experience. Don't be so serious to attack me.

I just gave the 15mil number as an raw material reply to yours, actually I don't mean anything with it. I welcome any comment like yours ( despite you look like offending all of my posts ) LOL.


To me, the big airport with expensive fare and often delay is not good as a medium airport with cheap fare and quick acts. As you know there're airport fee, security charge incl. in air ticket.
If you travel a lot, you know my meaning. as a passenger.

 

[sweetgrape]

Yes. In macroeconomics, to me, that huge investment is not effective.
But herein we discussed on the personal aspect. Remember pls

Chinese can't use American airline system as daily basis ( because China airline system is bad), they must choose among means of transports in China.
No matter what's an ineffective investment. But the time and fare each offer.

So if airliner worse than HSR they should choose HSR, we choose HSR.

Hehe, some logic you show is very funny, from you comments, I can say your sight is very short, hehe.
And of course, to you, Chinese HSR is not effective, but, that's not important, whethe it is effective, not decided by you.

I support China HSR, hope can build more, if there are HSR to my destination, I will choose, it may some expensive, but it can save my time, and it is much more convenient, and in macroeconomics, it will bring China huge benefit, the benifit is long term, and strategic, normal Chinese can benefit from these directly or indirectly.

 

[BoQ77]

How could you consider the huge investment is not effective?
With such investment, we bring up capacity for HSR manufacturing, construction.
Also the economy is much improved with HSR.
China developed so fast as we keep investing on such projects to improve transportation, logistic, etc..

Also as China is so big with so many people, airline, HSR, bus, cars will be all important transportation for China..
There will be different demand of different people.

The thing will change..
You don`t like the trains in Vietnam because it is too slow..
If you have HSR in Vietnam, probably you will love it.
HSR is a good option for Vietnam with long and narrow territory.
Also at first, Chinese blame HSR for too high price comparing with origin slower trains
After years of experience and airline delay impact, people start to love the HSR..
.

1. You misunderstand, I don't consider huge investment as ineffective, but long-range HSR as ineffective, spend too much electricity for higher speed, huge cost of build, of operation...
That's why recently, as I monitored some HSR routes in China must reduce the speed for utilizing the cost and reduce fare rate.
That's why in many countries, the people protests the plan to build HSR, incl. Vietnam, USA
FYI, Vietnam plan to spend 56 bil for HSR from North to South, but the plan was rejected as majority protest.

Yeah, you saw the same reaction as in China.

2. My point is ( yours maybe different ) the HSR is good only for 2-3 hours distance trip. The airliners would be better for longer range, and to island.

Some extremists love HSR too much and they imagined the super long tunnel or bridge to offshore island or even to N. American continent.

Maybe with advanced technology in the future, we could reduce the electricity consuming, but with current technology, current quality, ... ineffective to build long range HSR.

Hehe, some logic you show is very funny, from you comments, I can say your sight is very short, hehe.
And of course, to you, Chinese HSR is not effective, but, that's not important, whethe it is effective, not decided by you.

I support China HSR, hope can build more, if there are HSR to my destination, I will choose, it may some expensive, but it can save my time, and it is much more convenient, and in macroeconomics, it will bring China huge benefit, the benifit is long term, and strategic, normal Chinese can benefit from these directly or indirectly.

sweet, our opinions not always the same, so your logic maybe funny to me. It's very normal.
Yes, CN HSR not decided by me, harmless to me. And it shouldn't be here, as I told you before.

This thread is only for personal taste.

I guess if China airliners system develop in near future, you would like it too. And I am not going to tell your sight is short or anything else, because that's offensive to you.