71% voting recorded in 2nd phase of Jammu & Kashmir poll

[Capt.Popeye]

Off course they would be. There is no longer an information lockdown imposed upon them. What makes you think a movement like those in Tunisia or otherwise would have happened had there been no social media or internet?

There is an awakening among the youth to get out of the stoning and protest phase and move towards education. After all, both India and Pakistan were not formed after guerilla wars but by actively participating in the Raj's political system...why cant the same be done here?

The long and short of it is that: they want to live normal peaceful and aspirational lives..... not like people who have to live with the thought of: where is the next explosion going to take place?

 

[HRK]

No I don't live there.....I live elsewhere.

ya i know the name of this la la land you live 'Akhand baharat' ...

 

[SQ8]

The long and short of it is that: they want to live normal peaceful and aspirational lives..... not like people who have to live with the thought of: where is the next explosion going to take place?

Nobody would want to. I dont want to live in a place where me and my family's safety is not guaranteed. If I cannot leave it with my entire family, then I need to ensure that safety. Even if it means making a deal with the devil.

 

[sathya]

What must be remembered is that this voting signals a change in perception by Kashmiris on how they control their future, and not essential an end to their idea of rights struggle. A basic recent clue to why even with generally much more than most South Asians( and definitely more than Kashmiris), even developed socities like the UK have had the Scotland independence referendum all because there was a perception of being handed straws instead of their due rights.

that is agreed..
whatever it is, still a step in right direction.

Nobody would want to. I dont want to live in a place where me and my family's safety is not guaranteed. If I cannot leave it with my entire family, then I need to ensure that safety. Even if it means making a deal with the devil.

actually a better devil..

 

[third eye]

Nobody would want to. I dont want to live in a place where me and my family's safety is not guaranteed. If I cannot leave it with my entire family, then I need to ensure that safety. Even if it means making a deal with the devil.

Is this the reason why your country of origin flag is Pakistan and location is USA ?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Nobody would want to. I dont want to live in a place where me and my family's safety is not guaranteed. If I cannot leave it with my entire family, then I need to ensure that safety. Even if it means making a deal with the devil.

I believe that you are missing the crux of the issue in your post above and your earlier post. The simple fact is that the separatists and those advocating annexation of the entire Kashmir to Pakistan have called for a poll boycott. The measure of support to both those groups can on a litmus test basis be determined by the numbers which heeded the call to boycott the polls by those groups. In the past, the numbers who boycotted the polls in Indian Kashmir were relatively high. Currently the numbers who abstained from voting or who boycotted the polls stands at more or less 30%. I believe that is simply the message which is being projected here

 

[The Great One]

I believe that you are missing the crux of the issue in your post above and your earlier post. The simple fact is that the separatists and those advocating annexation of the entire Kashmir to Pakistan have called for a poll boycott. The measure of support to both those groups can on a litmus test basis be determined by the numbers which heeded the call to boycott the polls by those groups. In the past, the numbers who boycotted the polls in Indian Kashmir were relatively high. Currently the numbers who abstained from voting or who boycotted the polls stands at more or less 30%. I believe that is simply the message which is being projected here

30% doesn't necessarily represent the people who are in boycott (I know you didn't mean that). Even Maharashtra has lower voter turnout than Kashmir. While still not fully representative, the number to look at is the difference between turnout in state assembly poll and LS election = 10%

 

[Krate M]

Whichever way you want to spin it, one thing cannot be denied is that the people of J&K have trusted the electoral process instead of boycotting it. They were not deterred by the attacks on the polling stations and sarpanchs.

What it represents and its effects on the future of Kashmir can be known only after the results are out.

We can debate what this choice means, why we think they have made this choice.
But it is certain that they respect the electoral process and the authority of election commission of India to convey their wishes.

 

[SQ8]

I believe that you are missing the crux of the issue in your post above and your earlier post. The simple fact is that the separatists and those advocating annexation of the entire Kashmir to Pakistan have called for a poll boycott. The measure of support to both those groups can on a litmus test basis be determined by the numbers which heeded the call to boycott the polls by those groups. In the past, the numbers who boycotted the polls in Indian Kashmir were relatively high. Currently the numbers who abstained from voting or who boycotted the polls stands at more or less 30%. I believe that is simply the message which is being projected here

Not at all, I am simply acknowledging the crux and adding onto a missed clause that at no point does this signify the burial of the Kashmir issue but rather a reaffirmation that no other entity other than Kashmiris have the right to decide their future.

 

[punit]

why the turnout is not 91% or 101% .....

because its not THAT country. where dictators get 99% approval votes during elections !

 

[HRK]

because its not THAT country. where dictators get 99% approval votes during elections !

Same argument same reply .......

Yes I know its Indian Occupied Kashmir ....

 

[punit]

Not at all, I am simply acknowledging the crux and adding onto a missed clause that at no point does this signify the burial of the Kashmir issue but rather a reaffirmation that no other entity other than Kashmiris have the right to decide their future.

you know what Pakistan is not strong enough to get full kashmir. also due to strategical importance India will ever going to grant independence to J&K. So its time for kashmiris to think in rationally and get the best bargain available.

Same argument same reply .......

jisme aapki khusi!

Nobody would want to. I dont want to live in a place where me and my family's safety is not guaranteed. If I cannot leave it with my entire family, then I need to ensure that safety. Even if it means making a deal with the devil.

in that case which place gives you a complete guarantee of safety! Delhi, mumbai,karachi , peshawar , NY where will you go?

These Kashmir people are so confused....On one hand they like Pakistan on the other hand they do not want to loose the benifit of democracy which is a rare thing in Islamic world.....

no one likes pakistan! they either want the Utopian azadi !

 

[SQ8]

you know what Pakistan is not stong enough to get fu


jisme aapki khusi!


in that case which place gives you a complete guarantee of safety! Delhi, mumbai,karachi , peshawar , NY where will you go?

What is the red part?

Pakistan already realizes the idea that J&K is no longer a matter for sstrengthor direct conflict. Where do you think the whole proxy conflict and LeT came up from? they were not born yesterday.


My flag should give you an idea of relative safety.

These Kashmir people are so confused....On one hand they like Pakistan on the other hand they do not want to loose the benifit of democracy which is a rare thing in Islamic world.....

Not really. I have a few friends there and their idea is quite correct. They DO like Pakistan but they want NOTHING more to do with militancy and having to live without basic facilities and education. They do NOT see the end to their struggle but only an evolution of it from an armed struggle to that of an intellectual one.

 

[punit]

What is the red part?

Pakistan already realizes the idea that J&K is no longer a matter for sstrengthor direct conflict. Where do you think the whole proxy conflict and LeT came up from? they were not born yesterday.


My flag should give you an idea of relative safety.



Not really. I have a few friends there and their idea is quite correct. They DO like Pakistan but they want NOTHING more to do with militancy and having to live without basic facilities and education. They do NOT see the end to their struggle but only an evolution of it from an armed struggle to that of an intellectual one.

read now. a part of my post dunno why got deleted.!!!

What is the red part?

Pakistan already realizes the idea that J&K is no longer a matter for sstrengthor direct conflict. Where do you think the whole proxy conflict and LeT came up from? they were not born yesterday.


My flag should give you an idea of relative safety.



Not really. I have a few friends there and their idea is quite correct. They DO like Pakistan but they want NOTHING more to do with militancy and having to live without basic facilities and education. They do NOT see the end to their struggle but only an evolution of it from an armed struggle to that of an intellectual one.

and that proxy thing made Kashmir hell and Pakistan is also consequence now. so was
this game really worthy the price ?

 

[Bang Galore]

Not at all, I am simply acknowledging the crux and adding onto a missed clause that at no point does this signify the burial of the Kashmir issue but rather a reaffirmation that no other entity other than Kashmiris have the right to decide their future.

Not really. I have a few friends there and their idea is quite correct. They DO like Pakistan but they want NOTHING more to do with militancy and having to live without basic facilities and education. They do NOT see the end to their struggle but only an evolution of it from an armed struggle to that of an intellectual one.

Even accepting your argument, it has to be acknowledged that it has made life much harder for the Pakistani Foreign service and has hugely dimished the "separatists" to a point where they might really struggle to be heard as a voice of Kashmir. Not with 70+% voting. Will be difficult to now argue that those elected do not represent the people.

While the emotions of the people will not change overnight, this does constitute proof that people yearn for more and as you alluded to, there is a tiring of the old ways. whether this goes into economic integration or an intellectual evolution of the armed struggle - only time will tell but the odds favour India. As of now. Unless there is a major goof-up ( and there is no guarantee that there won't be), people are likely to stick with this path, especially if Delhi wisely opens up the purse strings and makes for visible development. Many Kashmiris want to work outside of J&K and they must be encouraged to and there must a noticable attempt at their integration (meaning less police harrasment, suspicion etc). Can be done; not easy but doable.

This might also open up the best chance to resolve Kashmir. That will depend on what the Pakistani establishment makes of this. We will know soon enough.