5 Turkish companies take part in consortium for domestically-made car production

[SouI]

£20.000

That is more than 100.000tl BEFORE TAXES! Yeah "dirt cheap" indeed!

And Model3 would cost more than 150.000tl..

Telling you again, they are not cheap enough for mass adoption in countries like Turkey!

 

[OguzSenturk]

100.000 tl is pretty cheap for a new generation car, actually.

1$ is no longer 2.2₺, it is getting close to 4. 100k-150k prices are normal for diesel cars, and very cheap for electric cars.

 

[SouI]

100.000 tl is pretty cheap for a new generation car, actually.

1$ is no longer 2.2₺, it is getting close to 4. 100k-150k prices are normal for diesel cars, and very cheap for electric cars.

Telling you again, they are not cheap enough for mass adoption in countries like Turkey!

mass adoption

You need a car priced 40.000-60.000 for big adoption, even less for mass adoption.

 

[OguzSenturk]

You need a car priced 40.000-60.000 for big adoption, even less for mass adoption.

That will never happen. Watch what will happens when 1$ reaches 5₺

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

Good luck brothers, Pakistan did it a decade and half ago (ADAM), western mafia is controlling it all.

 

[SouI]

Good luck brothers, Pakistan did it a decade and half ago (ADAM), western mafia is controlling it all.

What matters is not the brand being 100% Turkish owned (which cannot happen anyway as those 5 companies are not 100% Turkish owned.), but as much of the production of the car as possible being done in the country.

Russia for example imposed a law mandating 30% of the cars sold in Russia be equipped with engines produced in Russia, and then VW rushed to build a state of the art engine factory in the country!

 

[Kiryu]

What matters is not the brand being 100% Turkish owned (which cannot happen anyway as those 5 companies are not 100% Turkish owned.), but as much of the production of the car as possible being done in the country.

Depends what the goal is here. If it's to make a Turkish based car manufacturer then you would expect factories to be opened up around the world to meet customer demand. If a Turkish produced car takes off but only manufactured in Turkey, it would be less competitive in the N. American, East Asian markets. So opening factories in that part of the world would make sense.

If it's to provide jobs in the industry and boost the number of cars built in Turkey then there are other ways of going about it. Turkey is the 7th largest auto producing country in Europe. Countries with a more expensive workforce, UK, Germany, Spain, France, are still producing more cars. Having domestic car makers helps with that but surely Turkey can improve on it's position considering its cheaper workforce and location which can service Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa.
The government would then better serve by providing incentives to build efficient factories, provide workforce training, education to provide high end skills and smarter factories.

Probably it's a bit of both. A domestic car to compete with other countries that have their own auto companies, and the increased production will help with job creation and boost exports.

The UK, which is above Turkey in the number of cars produced doesn't really have a UK owned company anymore. Jaguar which is still headquartered in the UK is owned by Tata. Most cars built in Britain are foreign owned companies like Nissan, Toyota and Honda. Nor are British built cars for the domestic market. 8 out of 10 cars built in the UK are exported.
This isn't to boast. Britain isn't as strategically located as Turkey. British workers require higher pay and generous rights. Britain got this higher production level because it persuaded companies to invest in British factories. For example, the land for the Nissan plant in Sunderland was sold cheaper than the land value. After Brexit May offered Nissan a deal to stay which we still don't know the details off.
Diplomacy, facilities and a skilled workforce is the key.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2017/01/17-y...nufacturing-global-demand-hits-record-levels/

 

[Timur]

The fear !!!!
Currently German car makers are facing problem with the eu because all german car producers like a syndicate keep the price of their cars high.
Not much info in the news.......
€€€€€flowing around to keep these news low!

german industry is milking their own folk.. you can buy a new passat muchcheaper in USA than where it comes from.. or take just aspirin as an excample in turkey I could buy it (made by bayer) for just 1 Euro and you know we have to pay in germany about 5 or 10 depends on how much you want.. thats very disappointing

Turks are too poor to afford electric cars. Not many would be sold.

we have to force the industry and give them opportunities like lower taxes, to buy it with special loans

but also we should make it in good quality like: dont put always the low quality stuff in the car so because of that something brakes ... and make it galvanized so it does not rust.. I dont want it to be like an Opel the motor will run for 500.000 km but everything else will fall apart even the mirrors

we should focus on cars like VW for industry and everyone..

but first we have to elimintate the bad character of turkish ppl.. they are very worse.. they would not buy a better product if it does not have a prestigious name..

also we need to make the taxes low on our products if you look at what the ppl in turkey drive you will cry.. in germany its easy to drive a 1.9 tdi but in turkey the taxes will kill you and if you want to drive an audi a8 4.2L than you can forget it you will have to pay more than here in germany..

so our products should have high HP and should not come with these shit..

maybe we would not earn much from it in the first 10 years or more but we should boost it with many stuff like a big screen good services, long warranty the first impression is good it should not be something that is a worn out car in 5 years..

also our media should help to convince the ppl and our president and government employees should drive one too if they dont than forget it

 

[SouI]

we have to force the industry and give them opportunities like lower taxes, to buy it with special loans

There is already a tax cut. The new car will be without OTV which would make the car about 33% cheaper from the start.

But again, the age of "national this", "national that" is over, has been for a long time. There is no 100% national car producer in any nation right now. What matters the most is how many % of those cars are produced in your country. Because that means heavy industrial capabilities.

That means higher value exports. That means a lot.

 

[Timur]

There is already a tax cut. The new car will be without OTV which would make the car about 33% cheaper from the start.

But again, the age of "national this", "national that" is over, has been for a long time. There is no 100% national car producer in any nation right now. What matters the most is how many % of those cars are produced in your country. Because that means heavy industrial capabilities.

That means higher value exports. That means a lot.

I never assumed that this car will be 100 % turkish if it is 50 % and will bring work into my country than it is good

 

[what]

https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/article170296654/Ein-tuerkisches-Auto-Das-ist-verbranntes-Geld.html
and
http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/...-tuerkisches-auto-bauen-lassen-a-1176191.html

Same topic, very different opinion. Why?

The Welt article is stupid and has a grave mistake. They say there are no companies with experience in automotive in the consortium.

If you ask me why they have different opinions, well they are free to write what they want. Also Welt belongs to Axel Springer so I would not expect them to write anything positive about the country.

What Spiegel says is interesting and reminds me of Turkish smartphones, where all the components are sourced from other companies and in the end you have a design and a brand and call it domestic. But that would be disappointing.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Well one sentence "It was DAMN time to do it!!".

 

[UkroTurk]

You need a car priced 40.000-60.000 for big adoption, even less for mass adoption.

Rahmi Koç said that In order to meet productivity you have to sell 2 or 3 millions automobile per year.
How many people could effort buying car for 30.000$ every year?

 

[SouI]

Rahmi Koç said that In order to meet productivity you have to sell 2 or 3 millions automobile per year.

I didnt understand this part. And source?

 

[UkroTurk]

Electric cars getting cheaper to produce and they will get more cheaper in the future , you have also to consider fuel prices which are very high in turkey ... electric cars the better and cheaper option , electric cars are the future

What about lifespan of expensive batteries?
The e-cars batteries and all batteries rapidly die. Thé highest percentage of high prices of electric cars is battey costs.
Also in the hard winter conditions and very cold climates charge will empty rapidly .
When zero or minus degrees your range will reduce.