Can you summarize the Balochistan conflcit in one sentence? Because I can and it will make all these comment’s irrelevant.
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And let’s be honest, there is injustices in Balochistan. I have personally spoke to Baloch from Balochistan and they do face injustices. However, these aren’t always the states fault it’s sardars too but the sardars doing most of the oppression while blaming Pakistan to make the people more angry at us. But the state also has its injustices in Balochistan. In any western country, Sui would have became a major city due to the gas located there. As someone from interior sindh (Sanghar district) where there is the largest gas fields in sindh, I see many oil and gas drilling sites but I know many who aren’t provided gas. And this is sindh where I personally seen with my own eyes villages that don’t have gas yet gas being drilled from their area. Pakistani state has its far share of injustices in Balochistan we can’t deny. Just look at Gwadar now, any sane person would agree the locals demand is legitimate that illegal trawlers shouldn’t be allowed to fish there. Trawlers in general destroy marine life and especially if you don’t have a proper policy in place it will destroy the coast. Yet today I seen on news it was all out attacking the protesters in Gwadar for their legitimate demands. We create the conditions for militancy to take place and india exploits that and keeps it alive and active through its funding and aid.
Absolutely - injustice is the hallmark of an insurgency. Most separatist movements are based upon some injustice that wasn’t justly acknowledged or quelled smartly otherwise a lot of states would still be facing issues.
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The US SOCOM respects the SSG - lets leave it at that before we go all usual emotional without any knowledge of the subject matter. You sound just ignorant and disrespectful - you are working professional who is looking to improve himself, don’t go down the typical ignorant Pakistani rabbithole of either angel or devil and rather understand the subject before commenting.
I would love to read some Article or need some sort of evidence about the bold part, Trust me bro Source won't cut in here. I don't sounds Ignorant and disrespectful I am actually Ignorant and disrespectful for many people here, but trust me anyone who thinks that feeling is mutual. But as Ben shapiro once said FACTS doesn't care about your/my feelings. So lets talk on FACTS rather than calling names. It will take less than 30 mins for me to just search for SSG combat operations for just past couple of years and the numbers of death will be in 20's.
Now I am hearing this from many posters here, budged/money is what causing our SSG to die in combat, really ? What about Strategy and Planning ? Of course I am ignorant of SF procedures but even someone like me have common sense that if I lose 2 men in a operation, I will surely make sure I will study the mistakes and my strategy to make sure this doesn't happen to again, we have seen SSG is literally same combat situations and yet they lose men. Now of course real life fighting is difficult and one bullet to the head or various parts of your body and you are dead, but question if SSG will lose men than why don't we just send regular Army ? these SSG go through hard training sessions, state spend thousands of dollars on their overseas trainings so they can perform, you can defeat 7-10 exhausted Terrorists even with Sindh Police, of course Sindh police will also lose men, we call the SSG so we minimize not just civilian deaths or maximize the Terrorists deaths but to save lives of our regular soldiers.
Americans and ISAF forces faced much worse terrain in Afghanistan, and other countries have faced far worse situations in Syria/Libya/Somalia/Iraq, Have you read about Falujjah ? Countless examples can be brought in from Iraq and Afghanistan, where SF came out on top against the Terrorists without losing a single men.
SSG has a history of losing its men, I read some where here that SSG has the most men compared to any SF of any country, so does that means that Army is just increasing the numbers of Commando's in SSG, are we really filling up Quantity over Quality ? This fight and hostage situations are nothing new for Pakistan or its army/SSG if they are still losing men over operations which they have trained on, or experienced off than I think its time to start questioning the top leadership of SSG.
How many SSG operations are you aware of?I would love to read some Article or need some sort of evidence about the bold part, Trust me bro Source won't cut in here. I don't sounds Ignorant and disrespectful I am actually Ignorant and disrespectful for many people here, but trust me anyone who thinks that feeling is mutual. But as Ben shapiro once said FACTS doesn't care about your/my feelings. So lets talk on FACTS rather than calling names. It will take less than 30 mins for me to just search for SSG combat operations for just past couple of years and the numbers of death will be in 20's.
Now the link you give, it talks about SF trainers deaths plus inside Attacks, I am talking about combat deaths. Plus the link is talking about the figures from 2019, how many operations US forces conducted successfully without losing a single men ?
ISIS Leader Killed in U.S. Raid in Syria
www.wilsoncenter.org
This is how SF operates, deep within enemy territory, killed the target, saved the civilians and without a single loss. How many SSG operations ended like this ?
Now I am hearing this from many posters here, budged/money is what causing our SSG to die in combat, really ? What about Strategy and Planning ? Of course I am ignorant of SF procedures but even someone like me have common sense that if I lose 2 men in a operation, I will surely make sure I will study the mistakes and my strategy to make sure this doesn't happen to again, we have seen SSG is literally same combat situations and yet they lose men. Now of course real life fighting is difficult and one bullet to the head or various parts of your body and you are dead, but question if SSG will lose men than why don't we just send regular Army ? these SSG go through hard training sessions, state spend thousands of dollars on their overseas trainings so they can perform, you can defeat 7-10 exhausted Terrorists even with Sindh Police, of course Sindh police will also lose men, we call the SSG so we minimize not just civilian deaths or maximize the Terrorists deaths but to save lives of our regular soldiers.
I said this before, Its not about the money or budget but its about the utilization of that money is what matters.
Americans and ISAF forces faced much worse terrain in Afghanistan, and other countries have faced far worse situations in Syria/Libya/Somalia/Iraq, Have you read about Falujjah ? Countless examples can be brought in from Iraq and Afghanistan, where SF came out on top against the Terrorists without losing a single men.
SSG has a history of losing its men, I read some where here that SSG has the most men compared to any SF of any country, so does that means that Army is just increasing the numbers of Commando's in SSG, are we really filling up Quantity over Quality ? This fight and hostage situations are nothing new for Pakistan or its army/SSG if they are still losing men over operations which they have trained on, or experienced off than I think its time to start questioning the top leadership of SSG.
Bhai time for morale boosting is gone, right now we have to hit terrorists hard with minimum loss on our side, we have to kill 3 Terrorists for 1 of our regular soldier than and only than we might have chance. As for Sacrifice is concerned I have no issue with Soldiers fighting for their country and achieving Shahdat but they should be taught to kill the enemy and live to fight for more rather than becoming Jazbati or emotional and just make reckless decisions in combat operations, American/NATO soldier step foot in combat to kill the enemy so he/she can protect his/her country and go back to their families, our soldiers think themselves as sunny deol and jump in battles without proper gear or strategy (I guess) and ended up dying.
My conclusion to this is that SSG has been a failure or failed to perform against the TTP/BLA, Its bitter but it is truth. Pakistan's SSG might be in top 5 who's SF lost most men in combat operations, I think that SSG needs to pay more attention to their training, gear and equipment and more on achieving Martyrdom, there should be a inquiry that needs to be done. And if SSG unable to keep their losses to minimum than I think we should just not call them in every operation and let the regulars take lead cause they will the job just fine. And all that raise a serious question on their ability to perform any operations behind enemy lines (Indian Territory) God forbid if war happens we will have no SF unit that is capable enough to do operations behind the enemy lines of sabotage etc.
