5 Most Powerful Muslim Countries

[Bond]

This same attitude of giving religion highest importance will keep on hampering progress of muslim countries...

Maybe you and those countries are not religious . . Religion is not important to you. . . But for some people it is the most important thing in life... A cow will never understand the taste of meat and a tiger will never understand the taste of grass..

 

[kobiraaz]

This same attitude of giving religion highest importance will keep on hampering progress of muslim countries...

one specific example please.

 

[prototype]

I think the list was only created to put Pakistan's name on the top,well it is utter bull$hit,on what basis the thread starter beleives Pakistan is the most powerful Muslim country just because they have weapon's.

Power is not just about WMD's,it includes many thing.

Economically the most powerful in the list is Turkey(though its not a Muslim country,a secular nation according to its constitution) which also fields one of the most advanced military in the Muslim world.

In terms of resources,their is Saudi Arabia,the biggest spender on defense among the Islamic world and biggest producer of oil.

Trade,again were does Pakistan stands in front of Saudi,Turkey and Iran.

And finally about Ingenuity,Iran leads the list her.

And finally about stability,I think I dont need to provide an explanation.

So such list's are basically vague,in your Iran is the only nation which dares to stand against US,the rest being it's allies,puppets whatever,so in that respect Iran is the most powerful.

 

[500]

If you up from your sleep, care to explain, how Saudis have better Airforce

154 F-15, 24 Eurofighter, 110 Tornado.

and Egypt have better Army than Pakistan?

1000 M1A1, 1000 M60A3..

Not to mention you have listed Even UAE better than Pakistan.

80 F-16 block 60 AESA radar, 68 Mirage 2000.

Pakistan: 18 F-16 block 52, 30 JF-17

 

[wmdisinfo]

154 F-15, 24 Eurofighter, 110 Tornado.


1000 M1A1, 1000 M60A3..



80 F-16 block 60 AESA radar, 68 Mirage 2000.

Pakistan: 18 F-16 block 52, 30 JF-17

well give accurate numbers and type of weapons eing domestically made?1000 m1ai????? lol we make tanks by our selves we dont buy.

 

[Rao Sahab]

in the terms of defense
these are the fact which make pakistan no1
1 pakistan had world 7 most powerfull airforce
2 pakistan had world 6 most power full army
3 pakistan had world 11 most power full navy
4 pakistan is 7th nucleur power of the world
5 pakistan has world most strongest commando
6 pakistan has no 1 intelligence agency

there are lot much but these are the.... highlights

 

[VelocuR]

154 F-15, 24 Eurofighter, 110 Tornado.


1000 M1A1, 1000 M60A3..


80 F-16 block 60 AESA radar, 68 Mirage 2000.

Pakistan: 18 F-16 block 52, 30 JF-17

Why Arabs Need Their Foreign Mercenaries
by James Dunnigan
March 24, 2011

Saudi Arabia recently bought 72 Typhoon jet fighters from Britain. The manufacturer, BAE Systems, is energetically recruiting qualified maintenance personnel to keep these aircraft flying. Few Saudis will be recruited, most of these technicians will come from the West. Why is that?

The unemployment rate in Saudi Arabia is 12 percent, but many of those men are unemployed by choice. Arabs tend to have a very high opinion of themselves, and most jobs available, even to poorly educated young men, do not satisfy. Thus most Saudis prefer a government job, where the work is easy, the pay is good, the title is flattering, and life is boring. In the non-government sector of the economy, 90 percent of the Saudi jobs are taken by foreigners. These foreigners comprise 27 percent of the Saudi population, mostly to staff all the non-government jobs. This means most young Saudi men have few challenges. One might say that many of them are desperate for some test of their worth, and a job in the competitive civilian economy does not do it, nor does the military.

The Saudi employment situation is not unique. The UAE (United Arab Emirates) has foreigners occupying 99 percent of the non-government jobs. The unemployment rate is 23 percent, but only a tenth of those are actually looking for a job. A survey indicated that most of the unemployed are idle by choice. Kuwait is more entrepreneurial, with only 80 percent of the non-government jobs taken by foreigners. The other Gulf Arab states (which have less oil) have a similar situation.

While the thousands of aircraft, helicopters, armored vehicles and other high-tech systems Saudi Arabia has bought in the last decade look impressive, the actual impact of all this lethal hardware depends a lot on the skill of those using it. In this department, the Saudis have some serious problems. And it is generally very difficult to get Saudis to even discuss the situation.

Examples are widely available, and seen daily by the thousands of Western technicians, specialists and trainers hired by Saudi Arabia to keep their high-tech gear operational. For example, Saudis, and Arabs in general, don't care for the Western custom of establishing minimum standards for, say, fighter pilots. It's long been known that it is very difficult to wash out a Saudi pilot who is well connected (especially a member of the huge royal family). There are some very good Saudi pilots, but they are a minority. The rest get by. As long as they can take off and land, they can stay in a squadron. During combat exercises, especially with American squadrons, it's understood that the low overall performance of Saudi pilots is not to be discussed with the Saudis, or anyone else. Junior American officers get irked by this, but it's career suicide to disobey orders on this point. The Saudis do spend a lot of money on training and letting the pilots fly. For this reason, they are considered marginally better than other Arab air forces. But against the Iranians, who more enthusiastically accepted Western training methods, they would have problems. Iranian aircraft are older and less well equipped, but pilot quality would make up for a lot of that.

The problem extends to ground crews, who don't take responsibility seriously and have to be constantly hounded by their foreign advisors and specialists hired to make sure the aircraft are flyable. And when something goes wrong, the foreign experts are expected to take the blame. That's what the foreigners are there for.

Many Saudis are aware of the problem, especially those who have studied in the West, or spent some time there. As a result, there are some very competent Saudi doctors, scientists and bankers. But this minority knows they are up against an ancient and well entrenched culture that does not seek out innovation and excellence as it is done in the West. The more insightful Saudis seek ways to work around these problems. For example, the royal family established the National Guard in the 1930s, as a private, tribal army, that is now almost as large as the regular army and considered more dependable and effective than the regulars. That's because the National Guard troops follow traditional rules of military leadership, and have a personal relationship with the king. Only men from tribes that are known to be loyal to the Saud family may join, and they are expected to make their family and tribe proud. Saddam Hussein, and other Arab leaders, form similar forces. Saddam had his Republican Guard. Despots the world over tend to have a guard force recruited more for blood ties and loyalty, than for anything else.

The regular forces (army, navy and air force) are just government jobs, run by another government bureaucracy. There are lower standards because there are none of the family or tribal ties that demand better. Only in the West do most people give the same devotion and respect to non-family/tribal institutions.

It comes down to a different cultural attitude towards taking responsibility for your actions. It's human nature to avoid failure, or taking responsibility for a mistake. Thus we have the concept of "saving face." One reason the West has made such economic, cultural, military and social progress in the last five hundred years is because they developed a habit of holding people responsible for their actions and giving out the rewards based on achievement. In the West, this sort of thing is taken for granted, even if it is not always practiced.

But in much of the rest of the world, especially the Arab world, things are different. Most Arab countries are a patchwork of different tribes and groups, and Arab leaders survive by playing one group off against another. Loyalty is to one's group, not the nation. Most countries are dominated by a single group that is usually a minority, as in Bedouins in Jordan, Alawites in Syria, Sunnis in Iraq (formerly) and Nejdis in Saudi Arabia. All of which means that officers are assigned not by merit but by loyalty and tribal affiliation.

Arab military leaders consider it acceptable to lie to subordinates and allies in order to further their personal agenda. This had catastrophic consequences during all of the Arab-Israeli wars and continues to make peace difficult between Israelis and Palestinians. When called out on this behavior, Arabs will assert that they were "misunderstood."

American officers and NCOs are only too happy to impart their wisdom and skill to others (teaching is the ultimate expression of prestige), but Arab officers try to keep any technical information and manuals secret. To Arabs, the value and prestige of an individual is based not on what he can teach, but on what he knows that no one else knows.

While Western officers thrive on competition among themselves, Arab officers avoid this as the loser would be humiliated. Better for everyone to fail together than for competition to be allowed, even if it eventually benefits everyone.

Western troops are taught leadership and technology; Arabs are taught only technology. Leadership is given little attention as officers are assumed to know this by virtue of their social status as officers.

In Arab bureaucracies, initiative is considered a dangerous trait. So subordinates prefer to fail rather than make an independent decision. Battles are micromanaged by senior generals, who prefer to suffer defeat rather than lose control of their subordinates. Even worse, an Arab officer will not tell an ally why he cannot make the decision (or even that he cannot make it), leaving Western officers angry and frustrated because the Arabs won't make a decision. The Arab officers simply will not admit that they do not have that authority.

This lack of initiative makes it difficult for Arab armies to maintain modern weapons. Complex modern weapons require on the spot maintenance, and that means delegating authority, information, and tools. Arab armies avoid doing this and prefer to use easier to control central repair shops (which makes the timely maintenance of weapons difficult). If you can afford it, as the Saudis can, you hire lots of foreign maintenance experts to keep equipment operational. All this is taken for granted inside Saudi Arabia, but looks quite strange to Westerners who encounter it for the first time.

 

[VelocuR]

Arabs are good fighters, dont know why so many underestimate them.

Why Arabs Lose Wars

* Most Arab countries are a patchwork of different tribes and groups, and Arab leaders survive by playing one group off against another. Loyalty is to one's group, not the nation. Most countries are dominated by a single group that is usually a minority (Bedouins in Jordan, Alawites in Syria, Sunnis in Iraq, Nejdis in Saudi Arabia). All of which means that officers are assigned not by merit but by loyalty and tribal affiliation.

* Islamic schools favor rote memorization, especially of scripture. Most Islamic scholars are hostile to the concept of interpreting the Koran (considered the word of God as given to His prophet Mohammed). This has resulted in looking down on Western troops that will look something up that they don't know. Arabs prefer to fake it, and pretend it's all in their head. Improvisation and innovation is generally discouraged. Arab armies go by the book, Western armies rewrite the book and thus usually win.

* There is no real NCO corps. Officers and enlisted troops are treated like two different social castes and there is no effort to bridge the gap using career NCOs. Enlisted personnel are treated harshly. Training accidents that would end the careers of US officers are commonplace in Arab armies, and nobody cares.

* Officers are despised by their troops, and this does not bother the officers much it all. Many Arab officers simply cannot understand how treating the troops decently will make them better soldiers.

* Paranoia prevents adequate training. Arab tyrants insist that their military units have little contact with each other, thus insuring that no general can became powerful enough to overthrow them. Units are purposely kept from working together or training on a large scale. Arab generals don't have as broad a knowledge of their armed forces as do their Western counterparts. Promotions are based more on political reliability than combat proficiency. Arab leaders prefer to be feared, rather than respected, by their soldiers. This approach leads to poorly trained armies and low morale. A few rousing speeches about "Moslem brotherhood" before a war starts does little to repair the damage.

* Arab officers often do not trust each other. While an American infantry officer can be reasonably confident that the artillery officers will conduct their bombardment on time and on target, Arab infantry officers seriously doubt that their artillery will do its job on time or on target. This is a fatal attitude in combat.

* Arab military leaders consider it acceptable to lie to subordinates and allies in order to further their personal agenda. This had catastrophic consequences during all of the Arab-Israeli wars and continues to make peace difficult between Israelis and Palestinians. When called out on this behavior, Arabs will assert that they were "misunderstood."

* While American officers and NCOs are only too happy to impart their wisdom and skill to others (teaching is the ultimate expression of prestige), Arab officers try to keep any technical information and manuals secret. To Arabs, the value and prestige of an individual is based not on what he can teach, but on what he knows that no one else knows.

* While American officers thrive on competition among themselves, Arab officers avoid this as the loser would be humiliated. Better for everyone to fail together than for competition to be allowed, even if it eventually benefits everyone.

* Americans are taught leadership and technology; Arab officers are taught only technology. Leadership is given little attention as officers are assumed to know this by virtue of their social status as officers.

* Initiative is considered a dangerous trait. So subordinates prefer to fail rather than make an independent decision. Battles are micromanaged by senior generals, who prefer to suffer defeat rather than lose control of their subordinates. Even worse, an Arab officer will not tell a US ally why he cannot make the decision (or even that he cannot make it), leaving US officers angry and frustrated because the Arabs won't make a decision. The Arab officers simply will not admit that they do not have that authority.

* Lack of initiative makes it difficult for Arab armies to maintain modern weapons. Complex modern weapons require on the spot maintenance, and that means delegating authority, information, and tools. Arab armies avoid doing this and prefer to use easier to control central repair shops. This makes the timely maintenance of weapons difficult.

* Security is maniacal. Everything even vaguely military is top secret. While US Army promotion lists are routinely published, this rarely happens in Arab armies. Officers are suddenly transferred without warning to keep them from forging alliances or networks. Any team spirit among officers is discouraged.

* All these traits were reinforced, from the 1950s to the 1990s, by Soviet advisors. To the Russians, anything military was secret, enlisted personnel were scum, there was no functional NCO system, and everyone was paranoid about everyone else. These were not "communist" traits, but Russian customs that had existed for centuries and were adopted by the communists to make their dictatorship more secure from rebellion. Arab dictators avidly accepted this kind of advice, but are still concerned about how rapidly the communist dictatorships all came tumbling down between 1989-91.

The Arab armies are paper tigers compared to Iran

 

[Xestan]

As I said earlier, We don't need to compare ourselves with other Muslim Nations, any logical reason? Grow up people!

 

[jeypore]

Pakistan's GDP (PPP) was $464.9 billion in 2010:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

You still do not get it, in economic world GDP and PPP do not matter, a countries per capita income is more important......

Based on your link, this is what CIA is saying about your country:

Textiles account for most of Pakistan's export earnings, but Pakistan's failure to expand a viable export base for other manufactures has left the country vulnerable to shifts in world demand. Other long term challenges include expanding investment in education, healthcare, and electricity production, and reducing dependence on foreign donors.

You need to fix these basic things in your country before touting Pakistan, Pakistan, Pakistan!!!!!! Mind you I am also Indian, so India does apply also, but there are major sectors that India has overtaken compare to the first world countries, for example Education.....

 

[jeypore]

in the terms of defense
these are the fact which make pakistan no1

6 pakistan has no 1 intelligence agency

there are lot much but these are the.... highlights

Yes ofcourse, they have perfected the Blackmail Senario compare to any intelligent agencies in the world, but interms of real intelligence, how many spy satellites they have???????????

Get off your High horse of ISI.............

 

[53fd]

You still do not get it, in economic world GDP and PPP do not matter, a countries per capita income is more important......

Of course per capita income is important, but it doesn't show the size of the economy. GDP (PPP) does.

 

[Juice]

But India is'nt a Muslim country, & numerous Muslims have been killed in India, Turkey is a Muslim country with 85-97%(different sources) Muslims & both President & Prime Minister Muslims too.

BTW dude, changing of flags does'nt make you Pakistani.

A lot of muslims have been killed in Pakistan, what is your point?

 

[Juice]

Pakistan Army wins Gold Medal in Cambrian Patrols from 16 countries competition.

Yet come in dead last in the "control your territory and keep it free of militants" competition.

 

[53fd]

Now you have become an offical dumbass!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you educated or what?

The size of the economy is related to the population of the country as well, not just the GDP per capita.

GDP per capita * population = GDP

And anyways, the GDP per capita also does not demonstrate how equally (or unequally) the wealth is spread. The income inequality is determined by the GINI index. Even though Pakistan's GDP per capita is almost equal to India, Pakistan does much better than India on the GINI index.