40.000 civilians killed in Mosul

[maximuswarrior]

Nice avatar. Better than the "ape" ( ). Just joking.

Well, I am interested in your opinions about what I wrote at the beginning. Post 8 in particular. You are the senior here so I am curious.

BTW Lebanon should be included in that list that has Iraq, Syria and Yemen.



You can't compare Israel with Kurds. It's a joke comparison (no offense) for so many reasons.

Let us see. I doubt that they will be very successful. Might become independent but so what? As long as the disputed areas are returned to the rightful owner (Iraq) most will move on. It's a bigger problem for Turkey and Iran potentially due to many more Kurds and bigger Kurdish majority regions.

I'm not comparing the Kurds to Israel. I'm just pointing out that the Americans can make certain arrangements which accommodate Kurdish independence and security among its supposed neighbors. That is no different than the Israeli situation.

It is a huge problem because the Iraqis would naturally not approve the annexation of oil rich regions from their land. Saying that Iraqis will move on from such a scenario is wishful thinking. Iran and Turkey have similar problems, but they are politically and economically stable. Comparing them to Iraq is like comparing apples and oranges.

Thats your opinion

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We have to release this man and put him in charge of MoD, he knows how to deal with the Kurdish problem

It is not my opinion, but the opinion of most Iraqis.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

No oil in KRG. Kirkuk will return to complete Iraqi control. The Iraqi army should storm and clean that city. They will receive support from local Iraqi Arabs and Iraqi Turkmen. Kurds don't belong to Northern Iraq in fact. They are recent migrants. It's an ancient Semitic area. Let them migrate back to Turkey or Iran or whereever they came from. Arabize them as done under Al-Assad Sr. and Saddam Hussein. If that won't work buy them a one-way ticket back to Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan or wherever they came from. They themselves don't know it, lol.

A military coup would be nice to remove this entire system as there is no hope in this system to start with, it is set up to serve enemies. I don't think it would be opposed as change is what everyone is waiting for.

It is not my opinion, but the opinion of most Iraqis.

You said: That is your opinion, but I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis don't share your ideas and would like to see the oil rich regions to remain part of their(Iraq's) land.

That is my opinion..

But that aside.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201707201055704171-russia-iraq-t-90-tanks/

An aide to the Russian president on military-technical cooperation has confirmed a contract with Iraq on the sale of a "large batch" of modernized T-90MS main battle tanks, Russian media reported Thursday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia’s Uralvagonzavod company said earlier the first shipment of 73 tanks was scheduled for this year.

Let's overrun some trenches!

 

[Ceylal]

The liberation of Mosul will be the end of Irak, as a unit, as we know it..The revenge killings taken place now will fragment Iraq for ever.

 

[raptor22]

The liberation of Mosul will be the end of Irak, as a unit, as we know it..The revenge killings taken place now will fragment Iraq for ever.

It was the main goal of crisis in Syria and Iraq .... balkanization of the region is what of American wanted from the first day, and it wouldn't finish in Iraq ..

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Ah yes. Now somehow complaining about mass casualties makes me an ISIS supporter. Which was ISIS worst crime? The camp Speicher massacre that killed 1700 people. Which was Saddams worst massacre? The Halabjah attack that killed 7000 people. Congratulations that Baghdad and their US allies managed to surpass in atrocities and terror both ISIS and Saddam. Beware though because next time it might be your city that could be carpet bombed by US planes. Since you accept this tactic in Iraq you must expect the same to happen to your city

Yes, Your biased version of the events makes You an ISIS supporter.

There has been multiple reports about ISIS killing civilians in Mosul,
Yet you put the blame on all civilians killed by ISIS on Iraq and the Coalition.

There has been reports of ISIS using civilians as human shields.
That You ignore.

You make no difference between war crimes and legal acts of war.
That makes You a Charlatan.

Now, I actually don't think You are supporting the ISIS agenda.
I think You hate anything related to the US succeeding.
Still makes You an ISIS supporter since You engage in the propaganda war
on the side of ISIS and Saddam Hussein.

I ignored You a long time ago, and I recommend others to do the same.

No oil in KRG. Kirkuk will return to complete Iraqi control. The Iraqi army should storm and clean that city. They will receive support from local Iraqi Arabs and Iraqi Turkmen. Kurds don't belong to Northern Iraq in fact. They are recent migrants. It's an ancient Semitic area. Let them migrate back to Turkey or Iran or whereever they came from. Arabize them as done under Al-Assad Sr. and Saddam Hussein. If that won't work buy them a one-way ticket back to Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan or wherever they came from. They themselves don't know it, lol.

You mean that Iraq should engage in Ethnic Cleansing?
Arabizing, is another term for Genocide - Destroying the culture.
Any more crimes You contemplate, while at it?

 

[GiannKall]

As IS is being defeated, as time goes by Baghdad becomes more of a threat to the KRG. Them wanting to run away now and not later is for a good reason.

Of course you'll come with replies such as Baghdad can't do anything as the US won't allow it. Teaching people here never ends.

Yes, Your biased version of the events makes You an ISIS supporter.

There has been multiple reports about ISIS killing civilians in Mosul,
Yet you put the blame on all civilians killed by ISIS on Iraq and the Coalition.

There has been reports of ISIS using civilians as human shields.
That You ignore.

You make no difference between war crimes and legal acts of war.
That makes You a Charlatan.

Now, I actually don't think You are supporting the ISIS agenda.
I think You hate anything related to the US succeeding.
Still makes You an ISIS supporter since You engage in the propaganda war
on the side of ISIS and Saddam Hussein.

I ignored You a long time ago, and I recommend others to do the same.

US succeeding after illegally invading a country, destroying and murdering millions of people would be a huge danger for mankind. You soon would see the same "succesfull" operations of genocide in other parts of the world. If the world was just then three US presidents should be hanged for war crimes in the same way Saddam was hanged and US carpet bombed like Nazi Germany as a form of collective punishment for electing again and again war criminals.

 

[mangekyo]

I'm not comparing the Kurds to Israel. I'm just pointing out that the Americans can make certain arrangements which accommodate Kurdish independence and security among its supposed neighbors. That is no different than the Israeli situation.

There is a huge difference. Muslim countries were very weak at that time, they could not help the Palestinians. But Iraq is not alone. Iran will never allow anyone to take land from Iraq. I am a bit concerned about Syria though. Turkey has its own agenda there.

 

[19887]

Did 1 billion times stronger support for Israel remove Palestinians from Palestine or even modern-day Israeli where they make up 21% of the population (so-called Israeli Arabs)?

No one wants to get rid of them
The stupid Zionist idea says that we have to live with them and bring them progress and development,
in short, colonialists.
Don't mislead other people

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You mean that Iraq should engage in Ethnic Cleansing?
Arabizing, is another term for Genocide - Destroying the culture.
Any more crimes You contemplate, while at it?

No, I mean that Iraq and Syria should case the foreigners away from Iraqi and Syrian land and disputed territories. If the foreign troublemakers refuse or make trouble up they should receive a one-way ticket to their ancestral lands. Wherever that land is. It's a very simple, sane and successful policy as proven before.

I would also contemplate giving a death sentence to traitors within the current failed Iraqi system if they are proven to have allegiances with hostile and foreign entities and proven to work against the interests of the Iraqi nation and people.

For instance I would contemplate deportations and death sentences for local traitors (in this case Iraqi Shia Arabs) who have religious allegiances to foreign (non-native clerics) and regimes/systems. Also Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Sect and ethnicity does not matter here. This is considered treason in every country. Even in the US, this can carry a death penalty and the US, unlike Iraq, is not at war.

I would also use the Chinese model in combating corruption, especially the most severe cases, by giving death sentences to such corrupt officials and businessmen. Preferably, just like in China, such sentences would be carried out within weeks or at most a few months.

This is a very sane policy.

No one wants to get rid of them
The stupid Zionist idea says that we have to live with them and bring them progress and development,
in short, colonialists.
Don't mislead other people

Sure, keep telling yourself that. Hence all the illegal settlements.

A military coup would be nice to remove this entire system as there is no hope in this system to start with, it is set up to serve enemies. I don't think it would be opposed as change is what everyone is waiting for.



You said: That is your opinion, but I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis don't share your ideas and would like to see the oil rich regions to remain part of their(Iraq's) land.

That is my opinion..

But that aside.

https://sputniknews.com/world/201707201055704171-russia-iraq-t-90-tanks/

An aide to the Russian president on military-technical cooperation has confirmed a contract with Iraq on the sale of a "large batch" of modernized T-90MS main battle tanks, Russian media reported Thursday.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Russia’s Uralvagonzavod company said earlier the first shipment of 73 tanks was scheduled for this year.

Let's overrun some trenches!

A military regime to clean up all the mess and gradually give power to capable people, would actually not be a too bad idea. There is so much that needs to be cleaned up. Even basics. It's really a messy job.

Al-Abadi has done well. He is not to be blamed. It's the entire illegitimate system since 2003 that is a mess. The entire Baghdad-Arbil dynamic and the absurdity of that in the past 14 years is a great example of this.

Thats your opinion

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We have to release this man and put him in charge of MoD, he knows how to deal with the Kurdish problem

Of course. All Iraqi patriots falsely and stupidly imprisoned after 2003 should be released immediately. This nonsense "de-Ba'athification" process was a total fiasco. Let the most capable people return again. They are nationalists who love their country and people. They won't tolerate the current mess. Excuse me but hopefully The Great Sultan Hashim Ahmad Muhammad al-Tai would crush the ugly tiny head of the likes of Hadi Al-Amiri, The Traitor and similar likes!





Other living heroes like Saber Abdel Aziz al-Douri should also play an active role again in the regaining of stolen Iraqi land and in the destruction of trenches!



Wafiq al-Samarrai etc. too and all the other heroes!



Great, great people.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

No, I mean that Iraq and Syria should case the foreigners away from Iraqi and Syrian land and disputed territories. If the foreign troublemakers refuse or make trouble up they should receive a one-way ticket to their ancestral lands. Wherever that land is. It's a very simple, sane and successful policy as proven before.

I would also contemplate giving a death sentence to traitors within the current failed Iraqi system if they are proven to have allegiances with hostile and foreign entities and proven to work against the interests of the Iraqi nation and people.

For instance I would contemplate deportations and death sentences for local traitors (in this case Iraqi Shia Arabs) who have religious allegiances to foreign (non-native clerics) and regimes/systems. Also Iraqi Sunni Arabs. Sect and ethnicity does not matter here. This is considered treason in every country. Even in the US, this can carry a death penalty and the US, unlike Iraq, is not at war.

I would also use the Chinese model in combating corruption, especially the most severe cases, by giving death sentences to such corrupt officials and businessmen. Preferably, just like in China, such sentences would be carried out within weeks or at most a few months.

This is a very sane policy.



Sure, keep telling yourself that. Hence all the illegal settlements.



A military regime to clean up all the mess and gradually give power to capable people, would actually not be a too bad idea. There is so much that needs to be cleaned up. Even basics. It's really a messy job.

Al-Abadi has done well. He is not to be blamed. It's the entire illegitimate system since 2003 that is a mess. The entire Baghdad-Arbil dynamic and the absurdity of that in the past 14 years is a great example of this.



Of course. All Iraqi patriots falsely and stupidly imprisoned after 2003 should be released immediately. This nonsense "de-Ba'athification" process was a total fiasco. Let the most capable people return again. They are nationalists who love their country and people. They won't tolerate the current mess. Excuse me but hopefully The Great Sultan Hashim Ahmad Muhammad al-Tai would crush the ugly tiny head of the likes of Hadi Al-Amiri, The Traitor and similar likes!





Other living heroes like Saber Abdel Aziz al-Douri should also play an active role again in the regaining of stolen Iraqi land and in the destruction of trenches!



Wafiq al-Samarrai etc. too and all the other heroes!



Great, great people.

OK, Medecins Sans Frontiers to be thrown out, when You throw out all the Kurds.
Any remaining Catholics beheaded.
History of repressing Shias during Saddams regime a merit to high position...
Baathists with recent experience commanding ISIS? Extra points?
Abandoning democracy, in favour of a military dictatorship.
You really are a piece of work, aren't You?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

OK, Medecins Sans Frontiers to be thrown out, when You throw out all the Kurds.
Any remaining Catholics beheaded.
History of repressing Shias during Saddams regime a merit to high position...
Baathists with recent experience commanding ISIS? Extra points?
Abandoning democracy, in favour of a military dictatorship.
You really are a piece of work, aren't You?

Go worry about your country turning into a refugee camp instead of writing nonsense about topics that you have no clue about. Nor do you understand the jargon that I and @TheCamelGuy talk in. Hint, we know each other here for years and from elsewhere.

With all due respect, some Swede commenting on internal Iraqi and Arab affairs, is not something that any native is going to take seriously.

PS. Indeed I consider Iraqi patriots and nationalists who fought and bled for their country and tried to make it great despite all odds, as heroes. Nor has any of those people mentioned anything remotely to do with ISIS let alone Islamist ideologies but how could a person that just learned about their names remotely know that? Of course not. Hence I am wasting my time.

 

[19887]

Sure, keep telling yourself that. Hence all the illegal settlements.

The settlers are not part of the Zionist elite, they are another group, and most of them say that we have to live together with the Arabs
You have no idea at all about Israel and Jews, but you speak as if you are the wisest of men

 

[Ceylal]

It was the main goal of crisis in Syria and Iraq .... balkanization of the region is what of American wanted from the first day, and it wouldn't finish in Iraq ..

The difference, the planned fragmentation didn't work..Now the Iraqi troupes themselves are taking part in it..I can see some civilians taking the law into their hands to extract revenge, but one the army, un institution of the state of Iraq, take the same path that is very troubling...

 

[TheCamelGuy]

OK, Medecins Sans Frontiers to be thrown out, when You throw out all the Kurds.
Any remaining Catholics beheaded.
History of repressing Shias during Saddams regime a merit to high position...
Baathists with recent experience commanding ISIS? Extra points?
Abandoning democracy, in favour of a military dictatorship.
You really are a piece of work, aren't You?

Because it's a deadlocked political system which is set up for failure. Abadi himself as prime minister does not have the amount of power to change it, it's too decentralized and will never succeed in its current state. A military takeover could result in far better, except when the military leaders are too extreme and don't plan reconstructing civil rule of the state.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Iraqis need to learn how to compromise.
That is the way you make a country work.