40.000 civilians killed in Mosul

[Saif al-Arab]

Alls well now. Terrorism is defeated and Iraq is united again. Oh wait! Kurds hold a referendum in a couple of months. Lets see what Baghdad will do to convince them to stay in Iraq. The "carpet bombing" option does not exist here because US planes has more chance to bomb Baghdad than Erbil

Are you a Kurd? Since when do Arabs and Greeks hate each other? Arabs and Greeks have a long common history and are in fact neighbors to the South and South East. Not only that Arab presence in Cyprus, Crete etc. was significant.

Already answered. Kurds (KRG) are already de facto independent. They are only leeching on Baghdad. What matters here is the disputed territories (Kirkuk in particular but not only) and because of that I doubt that KRG will become an independent state. How will such a state survive if supposedly Turkey (although the foolish Erdogan is supporting Barzanistan and strengthening Kurds in Northern Syria due to his moronic policies) and also Iran is against because they have Kurdish regions of their own that want and have long fought for independence? Small in size, very few resources, small population, surrounded by hostile states/regimes and land-locked. Good luck with that project.

This fantasy of Kurds conquering Mosul (majority Arab city - by far in fact) as fantasized about by some a few years ago (after ISIS gained control) or now Raqqa is what it is. Absurd nonsense.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Are you a Kurd? Since when do Arabs and Greeks hate each other? Arabs and Greeks have a long common history and are in fact neighbors to the South and South East. Not only that Arab presence in Cyprus, Crete etc. was significant.

Already answered. Kurds (KRG) are already de facto independent. They are only leeching on Baghdad. What matters here is the disputed territories (Kirkuk in particular but not only) and because of that I doubt that KRG will become an independent state. How will such a state survive if supposedly Turkey (although the foolish Erdogan is supporting Barzanistan and strengthening Kurds in Northern Syria due to his moronic policies) and also Iran is against because they have Kurdish regions of their own that want and have long fought for independence? Small in size, very few resources, small population, surrounded by hostile states/regimes and land-locked. Good luck with that project.

This fantasy of Kurds conquering Mosul (majority Arab city - by far in fact) as fantasized about by some a few years ago (after ISIS gained control) or now Raqqa is what it is. Absurd nonsense.

You are just forgetting daddy America here. They are supporting their Kurdish allies in all of their independence endeavors. Daddy America has every stake in empowering and liberating Kurdistan all over the region. The Kurds would be nowhere without US help and the gains they have made thus far should be primarily thanked to daddy America.

 

[GiannKall]

Are you a Kurd? Since when do Arabs and Greeks hate each other? Arabs and Greeks have a long common history and are in fact neighbors to the South and East. Not only that Arab presence in Cyprus, Crete etc. was significant.

Already answered. Kurds (KRG) are already de facto independent. They are only leeching on Baghdad. What matters here is the disputed territories (Kirkuk in particular but not only) and because of that I doubt that KRG will become an independent state. How will such a state survive if supposedly Turkey (although the foolish Erdogan is supporting Barzanistan and strengthening Kurds in Northern Syria due to his moronic policies) and also Iran is against because they have Kurdish regions of their own that want and have long fought for independence? Small in size, very few resources, small population and land-locked. Good luck with that project.

I am not a Kurd. I do have problem with war crimes that permitted in the name of "freedom". Mark my words the same tactics will be applied to Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Mali all muslim countries under western occupation right now. Of course these war crimes will boost terrorism(you dont need sophisticated organizations a lunatic is enough)that will give the chance to western governments to carve muslim freedoms in the west (which is the ultimate goal. "Moderate" muslims will be hugely responsible for that turn of events by failing to highlight US crimes that breed terrorism and instead colluding with the western rhetoric that its all islam's fault.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You are just forgetting daddy America here. They are supporting their Kurdish allies in all of their independence endeavors. Daddy America has every stake in empowering and liberating Kurdistan all over.

I am not. However what can they supposedly due to change those facts that I mentioned such as geographic size, population, the fact that KRG is landlocked, the fact that all the neighbors are against an independent KRG etc.?

Did 1 billion times stronger support for Israel remove Palestinians from Palestine or even modern-day Israeli where they make up 21% of the population (so-called Israeli Arabs)?

The US is very influential in the region (in fact the by far most influential party) and there is no denying that (only an idiot would deny it) but there is only so much that even they can do.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

LOL who says the referendum matters? The Kurds already have what they seek. Sooner or later it will be official. Just wait and see.

As IS is being defeated, as time goes by Baghdad becomes more of a threat to the KRG. Them wanting to run away now and not later is for a good reason.

Of course you'll come with replies such as Baghdad can't do anything as the US won't allow it. Teaching people here never ends.

 

[SALMAN F]

@Saif al-Arab what do you want to know??

 

[maximuswarrior]

I am not. However what can they supposedly due to change those facts that I mentioned such as geographic size, population, the fact that KRG is landlocked, the fact that all the neighbors are against an independent KRG etc.?

Did 1 billion times stronger support for Israel remove Palestinians from Palestine or even modern-day Israeli where they make up 21% of the population (so-called Israeli Arabs)?

The US is very influential in the region (in fact the by far most influential party) and there is no denying that (only an idiot would deny it) but there is only so much that even they can do.

The Americans aren't crazy and they have thought it out. Despite the geographical and other limitations the Americans have made a concerted effort to help the Kurds in achieving their goals. How are the Israelis surviving despite being surrounded by Arab states? This is exactly what the Americans have envisaged for the Kurds I suppose. The Americans are looking to divide and conquer by fanning more division among the various ethnic groups within the region. I wouldn't count the American plan out. The Yanks have nothing to lose by having a full try. The Iraqis have absolutely everything to lose. The Americans have done a splendid job thus far by playing all sides against each other.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

You are just forgetting daddy America here. They are supporting their Kurdish allies in all of their independence endeavors. Daddy America has every stake in empowering and liberating Kurdistan all over the region. The Kurds would be nowhere without US help and the gains they have made thus far should be primarily thanked to daddy America.

Senate voted against a bill that would give the US executive branch powers to bypass Baghdad. Current US house of congress warned the KRG against the referendum threatening a halt of financial support to the KRG. Ruling US administration warned the KRG against the referendum.

What I wrote above are official stances, what you write is your opinion.

Former US chief of staff Dempsey was truly a pro Kurd barely helping Baghdad, then came Dunford who did more to destroy IS. They aren't going to choose a side in this inner dispute. KRG has a lot to lose in its current situation, you will know why in the coming months as IS is collapsing.

I believe that in the end we should Arabize the Kurds like in the good old days.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Saif al-Arab what do you want to know??

Nice avatar. Better than the "ape" ( ). Just joking.

Well, I am interested in your opinions about what I wrote at the beginning. Post 8 in particular. You are the senior here so I am curious.

BTW Lebanon should be included in that list that has Iraq, Syria and Yemen.

The Americans aren't crazy and they have thought it out. Despite the geographical and other limitations the Americans have made a concerted effort to help the Kurds in achieving their goals. How are the Israelis surviving despite being surrounded by Arab states? This is exactly what the Americans have envisaged for the Kurds I suppose. The Americans are looking to divide and conquer by fanning more division among the various ethnic groups within the region. I wouldn't count the American plan out. The Yanks have nothing to lose by having a full try. The Iraqis have absolutely everything to lose. The Americans have done a splendid job thus far by playing all sides against each other.

You can't compare Israel with Kurds. It's a joke comparison (no offense) for so many reasons.

Let us see. I doubt that they will be very successful. Might become independent but so what? As long as the disputed areas are returned to the rightful owner (Iraq) most will move on. It's a bigger problem for Turkey and Iran potentially due to many more Kurds and bigger Kurdish majority regions.

 

[maximuswarrior]

As IS is being defeated, as time goes by Baghdad becomes more of a threat to the KRG. Them wanting to run away now and not later is for a good reason.

Of course you'll come with replies such as Baghdad can't do anything as the US won't allow it. Teaching people here never ends.

That is my whole point. Them running away should be a cause of concern for Iraqis in general. I assume you wouldn't like the Kurds to have autonomy/independence from the Iraqi state?

 

[TheCamelGuy]

That is my whole point. Them running away should be a cause of concern for Iraqis in general. I assume you wouldn't like the Kurds to have autonomy/independence from the Iraqi state?

Wanting to run away

I don't want the Kurds to be part of Iraq, they're not loyal and they're foreigners. However they used the war of IS as an opportunity to grab land and dig trenches, that's not accepted. Once reversed they can have their useless state which I hope they get.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Senate voted against a bill that would give the US executive branch powers to bypass Baghdad. Current US house of congress warned the KRG against the referendum threatening a halt of financial support to the KRG. Ruling US administration warned the KRG against the referendum.

What I wrote above are official stances, what you write is your opinion.

Former US chief of staff Dempsey was truly a pro Kurd barely helping Baghdad, then came Dunford who did more to destroy IS. They aren't going to choose a side in this inner dispute. KRG has a lot to lose in its current situation, you will know why in the coming months as IS is collapsing.

I believe that in the end we should Arabize the Kurds like in the good old days.

LOL you take the American word for granted knowing fully that they are also the main architects and backers of the Kurdish independence struggle in Iraq? You do that on your own peril because I know better.

American assurances mean nothing at all and are privy to change overnight. Besides, saying one thing and doing differently doesn't bode well.

Wanting to run away

I don't want the Kurds to be part of Iraq, they're not loyal and they're foreigners. However they used the war of IS as an opportunity to grab land and dig trenches, that's not accepted. Once reversed they can have their useless state which I hope they get.

That is your opinion, but I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis don't share your ideas and would like to see the oil rich regions to remain part of their land. It makes perfect sense. Whether the Kurds are disloyal is beyond dispute, but that is a separate matter.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

That is your opinion, but I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis don't share your ideas and would like to see the oil rich regions to remain part of their land. It makes perfect sense. Whether the Kurds are disloyal is beyond dispute, but that is a separate matter.

No oil in KRG. Kirkuk will return to complete Iraqi control. The Iraqi army should storm and clean that city. They will receive support from local Iraqi Arabs and Iraqi Turkmen. Kurds don't belong to Northern Iraq in fact. They are recent migrants. It's an ancient Semitic area. Let them migrate back to Turkey or Iran or whereever they came from. Arabize them as done under Al-Assad Sr. and Saddam Hussein. If that won't work buy them a one-way ticket back to Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan or wherever they came from. They themselves don't know it, lol.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

That is your opinion, but I'm sure the vast majority of Iraqis don't share your ideas and would like to see the oil rich regions to remain part of their land. It makes perfect sense. Whether the Kurds are disloyal is beyond dispute, but that is a separate matter.

Thats your opinion

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We have to release this man and put him in charge of MoD, he knows how to deal with the Kurdish problem

 

[The SC]

The writer of the article did mix numbers and messed them up.. some official Iraqi sources and ISIS sources..talked about 25 000 ISIS killed and 12 to 15 000 Iraqi soldiers killed plus much more people were injured during the fight..A lot of civilians were allowed to leave before and during the fightings..