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4 contenders left in fray for India's mega submarine project after Japan, Spain opt out
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A Navy submarine surfaces crossing the port breakwater in Visakhapatnam

HIGHLIGHTS
  • Naval Group-DCNS (France), ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (Germany), Rosoboronexport Rubin Design Bureau (Russia) and Saab Kockums (Sweden) now in fray
  • Project to build six advanced diesel-electric stealth submarines
  • At least 7 years for first submarine to roll out after final deal is inked
NEW DELHI: Japan and Spain have opted out of India's long-pending proposed project to build six advanced stealth submarines for an estimated Rs 70,000 crore ($10.9 billion) through a collaboration between a foreign ship-builder and an Indian shipyard.

Sources said four ship-builders, Naval Group-DCNS (France), ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (Germany), Rosoboronexport Rubin Design Bureau (Russia) and Saab Kockums (Sweden) had responded to the initial RFI (request for information) issued by the Indian Navy for the conventional submarine programme called Project-75 (India). Mitsubishi-Kawasaki Heavy Industries combine (Japan) and Navantia (Spain), however, failed to do before the deadline ended on Monday.

Under Project-75 (I), which has been languishing in files for over a decade after it was granted "acceptance of necessity" in November 2007, the Navy wants the six new diesel-electric submarines to have land-attack cruise missiles, air-independent propulsion for greater underwater endurance and the capability to integrate indigenous weapons and sensors as and when they are developed.

While Russia, Germany and France already have submarine-building experience in India, Japan with its Soryu-class submarines was included as a contender for Project-75 (I) after it ended its self-imposed arms export embargo, as was first reported by TOI in January 2015. But Japan, which has little experience selling its military products in the global arms market, apparently wanted a direct government-to-government deal with India for the project.

It is, of course, going to be a tough competition for the four submarines - Scorpene (Naval Group-DCNS), A26 (Saab Kockums), Amur (Rubin) and Type 214 (TKMS) - left in the fray. Based on their responses to the RFI, the Navy will now formulate the technical parameters (naval staff qualitative requirements) for the kind of submarine it requires.

The formal tender or RFP (request for proposal) will then be issued for the four to submit their technical and commercial bids. The Indian shipyard for the collaboration with the selected foreign vendor will be chosen in a parallel process under the defence ministry's new "strategic partnership" policy.

As earlier reported by TOI, it will take around two years for the original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-Indian shipyard combine to be down-selected. Once the contract is finally inked, it will take another seven to eight years for the first new submarine to roll out.




As per approved plans, the Navy should have 18 diesel-electric submarines as well as six nuclear-powered attack submarines (called SSNs) and four nuclear-powered submarines with long-range nuclear-tipped missiles (SSBNs) for effective deterrence against China and Pakistan, as was earlier reported by TOI.

But the force is grappling with just 13 old conventional submarines, only half of them operational at any given time because at least 10 of them are over 25 years old, apart from two nuclear-powered submarines, INS Arihant (SSBN) and INS Chakra (SSN). The second indigenous SSBN, INS Aridhaman, is slated for the delivery within the next few months.




INS Kalvari, the first of the six French Scorpene diesel-electric submarines being built in Mazagon Docks under Project-75 at a cost of Rs 23,652 crore, in turn, was recently delivered to the Navy but is yet to be formally commissioned into service. The other five will progressively follow till 2020-2021.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/4-contenders-left-in-fray-for-indias-mega-submarine-project-after-japan-spain-opt-out/articleshow/61147852.cms
 
the Spanish are knee deep in their own problems with the s80 so Its no surprise that they did not bother responding.
the Japanese are still not in the position to sell weapons, heck the u-2 planes they tried to sell india were civilian variants and were not open to modifications for military use.

as for the French-scorpene
germans-t214-
Russian-amur
swedes-a26
they will all need to be modified(enlarged) and that will create problems in it self let alone India's longwinded and complex selection and technical requirements.
 
the Spanish are knee deep in their own problems with the s80 so Its no surprise that they did not bother responding.
the Japanese are still not in the position to sell weapons, heck the u-2 planes they tried to sell india were civilian variants and were not open to modifications for military use.

as for the French-scorpene
germans-t214-
Russian-amur
swedes-a26
they will all need to be modified(enlarged) and that will create problems in it self let alone India's longwinded and complex selection and technical requirements.

I don't know why don't they just procure a few more scorpene submarine with AIP? Why all this drama all over again?
 
I don't know why don't they just procure a few more scorpene submarine with AIP? Why all this drama all over again?
Seriously Repeat order of 6 more Scorpene's It will saved lot time and money
 
I don't know why don't they just procure a few more scorpene submarine with AIP? Why all this drama all over again?
the the ideas is for a large sub which is bigger than the scorpene. india wants to host a similar tender like the Aussies but its not working out as expected, they germans have offered the t214 and the French the scorpene.
it is preferred to build more scorpenes.
as for the aap, india is developing their own aip which is unlikely to see service in any of the 6 subs ordered. they can however use the dcns mesa aip which interestingly Pakistan has. but this is expensive and will add a lot of time to install and validate.
 
Damn, these are just conventional subs, India can't even make such simple subs? I always thought Indians were supa powa.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
I an wonderisame, if we can make nuke ssbn and ssn why cant we make these simple sticks ?
 
WTF nearly $11 billion for just 6 subs :o: have you guys gone mad!? You bought 6 Scorpene subs for a little more than a quarter that price just a few years ago. Why pay so much more now!?

And this is coming from a Pakistani. I usually don't mind India wasting money but damn even I have to question you guys on this proposal.
 
Indians are rich bro....they spend 1 billion to rent a sub while their population starves, I have not seen any other country rent a boat in recent times. Unique breed of people. These are conventional subs btw, not even nuclear.


India made a SSBN/SSN hybrid, it's called BS.
I have to agree, Because you are already mster of that technology.
 
Indians are rich bro....they spend 1 billion to rent a sub while their population starves, I have not seen any other country rent a boat in recent times. Unique breed of people. These are conventional subs btw, not even nuclear.


India made a SSBN/SSN hybrid, it's called BS.

There is undoubtedly some corruption involved. Someone somewhere in India will make a lot of money off this deal.
 
Australian submarines: France wins $50bn contract - The Australian
www.theaustralian.com.au/.../australian-submarines.../986ee35387c768a0c401f3edc9...
Apr 26, 2016 - Malcolm Turnbull has admitted the premium to be paid for building a new fleet ofsubmarines in Australia rather than overseas but has declared ...

Link is not working. But I looked this up:

A$50 billion is roughly around US$39 billion. Its for 12 subs to be built from 2030 to 2050, equating to $2.25 billion each :o: which makes no sense as the Aussis have picked a diesel version of a French nuke sub where the larger more capable nuke sub itself is cheaper o_O

Seems that both Indians and the Aussies have gone mad! For this kind of money they can buy the latest nuke attack subs, or buy a whole carrier group :hitwall:
 
Seriously Repeat order of 6 more Scorpene's It will saved lot time and money
I don't know why don't they just procure a few more scorpene submarine with AIP? Why all this drama all over again?

Maybe it's more related to the Scorpene data leak that forced IN to re-consider this proposal as there is also a follow on order option to order more Scorpenes. Moreover, IN should ask DCNS to field the diesel version of their Shortfin Barracuda that Australia opted for in the next tender or Thyssenkrupp's HDW type-216
WTF nearly $11 billion for just 6 subs :o: have you guys gone mad!? You bought 6 Scorpene subs for a little more than a quarter that price just a few years ago. Why pay so much more now!?

And this is coming from a Pakistani. I usually don't mind India wasting money but damn even I have to question you guys on this proposal.
There is undoubtedly some corruption involved. Someone somewhere in India will make a lot of money off this deal
Someone somewhere will always make money in any defense acquisition project but why do you think Australia is spending Aus$50 billion for 12 Shortfin Barracudas!! But I seriously doubt why we're not building our own subs when we are designing and building nuclear subs, destroyers, frigates, ACs, ASW corvettes and a range of surface vessels
 
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