37 million minority disappeared from BD due to Muslim fundamentalist: Priya Saha to Trump

[KhanBaba2]

India is a great friend of Pakistan. It stops our water but allows water freely through the five tributaries of the river Sindh.

That is because of the Indus water treaty. It was done when you were still East Pakistan. Why didn't you get yourself a similar treaty as West Pakistan got.

 

[Nilgiri]

It’s true that it was started in 60s, however, the then president General Ayub khan declared that if India build the dam, Pakistan will be happy to bomb it to the ground. India never dared to complete the project until the fall of East Pak.

We got played by the sworn enemy, thus we are paying the price today.

Nope, he could say whatever rhetoric he wanted to (wherever you have selectively quoted or remembered from or made up, it doesnt matter)....but in reality they already knew it was done deal (construction started in full flow in the 60s) and were already playing ball on the issue by talks to negotiate water sharing. The barrage itself was more or less finished permanent construction in 1970, 1975 only concerned feeder canal construction to hoogly:

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._and_its_effects_on_environment_in_Bangladesh

Preliminary planning for Farakka Barrage in India had commenced way back in 1950–51, when Bangladesh was still a part of Pakistan. At that juncture Pakistan had expressed concerns on the possible effects of the Farakka Barrage on East Pakistan. In the initial stage India did not take Pakistan’s objections seriously pointing out that the project was only under primary investigation and termed Pakistan’s concern over the probable effects as purely hypothetical (Abbas 1982). At the same time India carried on her project planning. Pakistan requested India to consult her prior to operation of any scheme which would have adverse effect on East Pakistan. In 1953, India proposed that the two countries should collaborate in the development of Ganges water resources. In the following year, Pakistan threw an outline of Ganga-Kobadak (GK) project in East Pakistan including a proposal for irrigating two million acres of land requiring a maximum of 2000 cusecs of water and joint survey of upper reaches of Ganges and Brahmaputra but India refused this outline. The two governments, however, agreed to exchange available data in respect of projects of mutual interest and to conduct meeting of experts on both
sides. Accordingly, there were five meetings of experts in 1960–62 and again in 1968–69 as there was an interlude due to India Pakistan war 1965. Pakistan proposed that they should avail of technical and advisory services of the United Nations but India turned it down. At the secretary level talks in 1969, Pakistan raised her voice for a package deal guaranteeing fixed amount of water to East Pakistan and prescribed a mechanism for the
implementation and supervision of the agreement (Hossain 1981: 1120).

India, however, refused to arrive at any decision until exchange of data and agreement on basic technical facts. The last meeting between India and Pakistan at secretary level was held in 16–17 July 1970 in New Delhi. It was agreed that the point of delivery of water into East Pakistan would be at Farakka and that a body consisting of one representative of each country would be constituted to ensure delivery of water, the amount of which was to be decided on later. The decision reached at this meeting could not be implemented as domestic turmoil engulfed Pakistan resulting in the birth of Bangladesh. Thus, in spite of exchange of data and meetings between India and Pakistan, no agreement was reached regarding water sharing of the river Ganges. Pakistan was pre-occupied with the Kashmir question and was not serious enough to push through an agreement on sharing of Ganges waters similar to Indus Basin Treaty between India and Pakistan. India was also reluctant and she was “following a strategy of procrastination during this period, which denied Pakistan any influence in the design or construction
of Farakka Barrage” (Crow 1980).

The Farakka barrage that India started constructing in 1962, was completed in 1970 at a cost of $208 million. With a 75 feet high and 7000 feet long barrage, a 26.5-mile-long feeder canal into the Bhagirathi River was added that took another 4years to complete (Hossain 1981: 1119).

 

[bluesky]

Preliminary planning for Farakka Barrage in India had commenced way back in 1950–51, when Bangladesh was still a part of Pakistan. At that juncture Pakistan had expressed concerns on the possible effects of the Farakka Barrage on East Pakistan.

Notwithstanding the Indian mean intention of building Farakka BD has successfully overcome that intention. In reality, BD would not have the urge of switching the main crop season to winter had India not built Farakka. Regardless of what India did it finally did not hurt BD. We produce three times more food than before Farakka was built. So, Thanks to India.

But, all the news on Farakka says that the Indian state of Bihar is having floods because of the silts now accumulating due to the presence of Farakka. What are you going to do? Destroy it? Please do not do it because it will hurt our agriculture.

 

[Nilgiri]

Notwithstanding the Indian mean intention of building Farakka BD has successfully overcome that intention. In reality, BD would not have the urge of switching the main crop season to winter had India not built Farakka. Regardless of what India did it finally did not hurt BD. We produce three times more food than before Farakka was built. So, Thanks to India.

But, all the news on Farakka says that the Indian state of Bihar is having floods because of the silts now accumulating due to the presence of Farakka. What are you going to do? Destroy it? Please do not do it because it will hurt our agriculture.

But you lot keep crying about it:

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...a-barrage-key-factor-bangladeshs-water-crisis

The Chief Whip of Bangladesh Parliament, A S M Feroz, said: “We want to save rivers. We want to remove structures near water bodies that are negatively impacting them.” “But due to obstacles like the Farakka barrage, the rivers in Bangladesh are going to die soon,”

https://www.thethirdpole.net/en/2015/06/02/farakka-barrage-leads-to-water-crisis-in-bangladesh/

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ntal_Impacts_of_Farakka_Barrage_on_Bangladesh

Looks like you lot will never change, same 1971 3 million attitude, endlessly complaining and crying over nothing....because of your inferiority complex.

Now go focus on doing something productive like investing your Japanese earnings into a needle factory in your LDC.

 

[Mirzah]

But you lot keep crying about it:

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...a-barrage-key-factor-bangladeshs-water-crisis

The Chief Whip of Bangladesh Parliament, A S M Feroz, said: “We want to save rivers. We want to remove structures near water bodies that are negatively impacting them.” “But due to obstacles like the Farakka barrage, the rivers in Bangladesh are going to die soon,”

https://www.thethirdpole.net/en/2015/06/02/farakka-barrage-leads-to-water-crisis-in-bangladesh/

https://www.researchgate.net/public...ntal_Impacts_of_Farakka_Barrage_on_Bangladesh

Looks like you lot will never change, same 1971 3 million attitude, endlessly complaining and crying over nothing....because of your inferiority complex.

Now go focus on doing something productive like investing your Japanese earnings into a needle factory in your LDC.

your biharis are crying for the dam 3 million? try 37 million and cry some more

Bihar wants Farakka barrage to be decomissioned

The Nitish Kumar government has held the Farakka barrage in West Bengal responsible for heavy floods in Bihar and asked the Centre to decommission it to desilt the heavily loaded upstream of the Ganga river.

The state has made the recommendation, observing that the dam is the “genesis of severe floods” and responsible for “alarming” silt increase upstream.

‘Severe harm’

The Nitish Kumar dispensation has made the demand before an experts’ committee formed by the Centre to work out guidelines for desilting the Ganga following last year’s devastating floods, sources told PTI.

The Farakka barrage was constructed in the early 60s with the main purpose of helping flush out sediment deposition from Kolkata Port, besides addressing drinking water requirement in West Bengal.

“The barrage is the genesis of severe flood consequences and responsible for progressive silt increase in the upstream of the Ganga between Patna and Bhagalpur (in Bihar),” the state government has told the committee, according to sources.

“Decommissioning the barrage will help automatically desilt the heavily loaded upstream, allowing silt to move to deltas before the sea,” it said.

Such a move, the state has said, will further help in restoration of deltas and its ecosystem, which is also getting adversely affected by this barrage.

To buttress its point, the state government has referred to Kolkata Port Trust’s data, which suggests that silt dredging at the port has increased from 6.40 million cubic metres annually from pre-Farakka days to four times, i.e. at 21.88 MCM annually, during 2003. The dam became operational in 1975.

“So the barrage is of no help... Functioning of the barrage is itself giving rise to flooding,” the state has said in its submission.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...arrage-to-be-decomissioned/article9550627.ece

 

[Nilgiri]

your biharis are crying for the dam 3 million? try 37 million and cry some more

Bihar wants Farakka barrage to be decomissioned

The Nitish Kumar government has held the Farakka barrage in West Bengal responsible for heavy floods in Bihar and asked the Centre to decommission it to desilt the heavily loaded upstream of the Ganga river.

The state has made the recommendation, observing that the dam is the “genesis of severe floods” and responsible for “alarming” silt increase upstream.

‘Severe harm’

The Nitish Kumar dispensation has made the demand before an experts’ committee formed by the Centre to work out guidelines for desilting the Ganga following last year’s devastating floods, sources told PTI.

The Farakka barrage was constructed in the early 60s with the main purpose of helping flush out sediment deposition from Kolkata Port, besides addressing drinking water requirement in West Bengal.

“The barrage is the genesis of severe flood consequences and responsible for progressive silt increase in the upstream of the Ganga between Patna and Bhagalpur (in Bihar),” the state government has told the committee, according to sources.

“Decommissioning the barrage will help automatically desilt the heavily loaded upstream, allowing silt to move to deltas before the sea,” it said.

Such a move, the state has said, will further help in restoration of deltas and its ecosystem, which is also getting adversely affected by this barrage.

To buttress its point, the state government has referred to Kolkata Port Trust’s data, which suggests that silt dredging at the port has increased from 6.40 million cubic metres annually from pre-Farakka days to four times, i.e. at 21.88 MCM annually, during 2003. The dam became operational in 1975.

“So the barrage is of no help... Functioning of the barrage is itself giving rise to flooding,” the state has said in its submission.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.co...arrage-to-be-decomissioned/article9550627.ece

Stopped talking about once he joined NDA again.....I wonder why lol.

 

[xyxmt]

Shameless ingrate this women is.
BD is the most tolerant country in S Asia, all rights of Hindus are fully respected and the community thrives in BD and she makes these ridiculous allegations!

they did not help you in 71 just to give Hindus "enough rights"

 

[prashantazazel]

She maybe correct.
The percentage of non Muslims declined from 20 to 10 percent since 1951.
The decline has been significant even post 1971.
This is, a page on demographics in Bangladesh.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bangladesh


I'm looking for a response from the Bangladeshi posters. It indeed doesn't look good.

 

[Black_cats]

She maybe correct.
The percentage of non Muslims declined from 20 to 10 percent since 1951.
The decline has been significant even post 1971.
This is, a page on demographics in Bangladesh.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Bangladesh


I'm looking for a response from the Bangladeshis. It indeed doesn't look good.

Hindus decreased from 13.5% to 10.7%. How it is significant considering lower population growth? It is also true many Hindus migrated to India for economic reason. Many converted as well.

Even in India hindu population decreased by 3% does it mean they have been persecuted?

PM Hasina disapproves legal step against Priya in haste
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DHAKA, July 21, 2019 (BSS) – Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has disapproved a planned government initiative to expose Priya Saha to sedition charges ahead of obtaining her explanation about her comments during an interaction with US president Donald Trump, road transport minister Obaidul Quader said here today.

“The Prime Minister last night sent me a message (from UK) saying no legal action was required to be initiated hastily,” Quader, also ruling Awami League’s general secretary, told newsmen at Bangabandhu International Conference Center (BICC).

But he said Saha must make a public statement explaining what actually she wanted to tell Trump.

Quader said Liberation War Affairs Minister AKM Mozammel Haque was set to lodge a sedition case against Saha but he already conveyed him the premier’s message and talked to law minister Anisul Huq and home minister Asaduzzaman Khan Kamal as well in this regard.

Quader’s comments came a day after he said a process was underway to try Priya Saha on sedition charges as her allegation was “absolutely false”.

The government, however, responded immediately with a foreign ministry statement calling Saha’s comments “blatant lies” as she made a complain to Trump claiming minority communities in Bangladesh were being persecuted.

The foreign ministry suspected that she was led by an “ulterior motive” while the home minister said “we will certainly ask her (about the remarks) when she returns” from the United States.

Quader yesterday also said that as a Bangladeshi national, she made “false, purposeful and treasonous remarks”.

Hours ahead of Quader’s comments, two lawyers filed in their private capacities separate cases against Priya Saha, at Dhaka’s Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Court on sedition charges for maligning Bangladesh by making false allegations, only to be dismissed later in the day.

The court held primary hearing on the pleas of plaintiffs and later dismissed both the petition to initiate sedition trial against Saha.

Asked for comments about the cases filed by the two lawyers, Quader said the law of the country debarred anyone from filing of any sedition case without government permission and the law minister was expected to take required steps in that regard.

The law minister, meanwhile, said Saha made utterly false allegation to gratify her personal desires and she should be ignored but “I think we should not give so much importance to this Priya Saha”.

“We should highlight the truth and ignore her. I think it is not right to term such small matters as ‘seditious offence’, but it is up to judiciary and judges to decide,” he told newsmen on the sidelines of the opening ceremony of a judges training programme.

He said it was not the Hindu community members alone, “all the people say that we all live amid communal harmony in Bangladesh”.

“If you go through history, you would find that least number of communal riots took place in Bangladesh,” he said.

When asked about chances of any group’s backing behind such blatant lies against the country, the law minister said it was not an impossible proposition but it was matter of investigation.

Information Minister Hasan Mahmud, meanwhile, told newsmen investigations were required if Saha’s comments were part of any plot to hurt the interfaith harmony and why she was selected as a delegation member to meet Trump.

“I think it would be investigated as there may be any conspiracy against the country’s communal harmony . . . how she became a member of the delegation to the USA needs to be investigated as well,” Hasan said.

An organising secretary of the Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council (HBCUC), Saha attended a meeting at the White House in Washington DC recently and a video of the meeting with Trump subsequently went viral on social media and sparked widespread controversy back home.

She was among five Bangladeshis and two Rohingya refugees the US Embassy in Dhaka sent to the White House while she also attended a ministerial meeting on advancing religious freedom hosted by the US Department of State in the US capital.

In the video, Saha was seen identifying herself as a Bangladeshi and telling Trump that 37 million people of minority groups disappeared from Bangladesh.

HBCUC, meanwhile, tended to disown Saha’s comments with one of its senior leaders saying the comments she made were of her own and she did not represent the Council in the meeting with the US President.

“We are embarrassed . . . the comments she made were her own and not ours,” HBCUC spokesman Kajal Debnath told BSS.

Debnath added that he believed the remarks she made in her interactions “With the president of a foreign country in a foreign land is unethical and unexpected”.

But he said compared to previous governments of Bangladesh, the incumbent one of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina was “much more minority-friendly, and we (minorities) want to live here amid harmony”.

http://www.bssnews.net/?p=245571

 

[prashantazazel]

Hindus decreased from 13.5% to 10.7%. How it is significant considering lower population growth? It is also true many Hindus migrated to India for economic reason. Many converted as well.

Even in India hindu population decreased by 3% does it mean they have been persecuted?

Personally, I don't think Bangladesh persecutes non Muslims. Anyhow, the trend is mostly downwards, likely due to migration and lower fertility of these groups.

 

[Nilgiri]

Personally, I don't think Bangladesh persecutes non Muslims. Anyhow, the trend is mostly downwards, likely due to migration and lower fertility of these groups.

Huge deal of them (Bangal Hindus) moved to India...both during and after partition, and then during 1971 phase too...many simply stayed in India basically.

Any BD social tensions/violence past this simply isnt enough to produce this scale of demographic change.

 

[namefield_empty]

Huge deal of them (Bangal Hindus) moved to India...both during and after partition, and then during 1971 phase too...many simply stayed in India basically.

Any BD social tensions/violence past this simply isnt enough to produce this scale of demographic change.

The religious hardliners in Sylhet basically cleansed the Hindu population there, and the Sylheti members on PDF are a true testament to that virulent mindset.

both during and after partition, and then during 1971 phase too

After the creation of Bangladesh too during the repressive years of Zia, Ershad all the way through to the BNP era.

 

[Black_cats]

Priya Saha defends her controversial White House remarks in YouTube video
Tribune Desk

• Published at 08:14 pm July 21st, 2019

Screenshot of Priya Saha speaking in a YouTube video


She said minority people are disappearing everyday despite secular government

Priya Saha, in a YouTube video, has explained her controversial White House remarks about minority oppression in Bangladesh.

Priya, in the video posted by her human rights organization Sharee, said she came to know about the disappearance of 632 people per day in Bangladesh during her research with Professor Abul Barkat of Dhaka University.

Referring to the unrest after the Liberation War of Bangladesh, she said: "The government of Bangladesh has been trying its level best to create a secular Bangladesh under the leadership of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina."

Despite all the efforts, the minority are disappearing every day, she added.

"Fundamentalists torched my village home on March 2, which injured Muslims and Hindus alike," she said on the YouTube video.

Priya said her family and relatives are being targeted by miscreants ever since her White House remarks went viral on the social media.

Priya Saha's White House controversy

Priya Saha, participated in the Second Ministerial to Advance Religious Freedom held at the US Department of State in Washington, DC on July 16-18.

Foreign Minister AK Abdul Momen also attended the meeting.

Delegates from 106 countries, including about 40 foreign ministers, took part in the meeting at the invitation of Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state.

A video clip, that later went viral on social media, showed Priya, one of the organizing secretaries of Bangladesh Hindu-Bouddha-Christian Oikya Parishad, pleading to Trump to save 18 million people of minority groups in Bangladesh from persecution.

She alleged that 37 million Hindus, Buddhists and Christians had disappeared from the country, persecuted at the hands of fundamentalist Muslims groups, who enjoyed political support.

PM disapproves immediate legal step against Priya

Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has disapproved a planned government initiative to expose Priya Saha to sedition charges ahead of obtaining her explanation about her comments during an interaction with US president Donald Trump, road transport minister Obaidul Quader said yesterday.

“The prime minister last night sent me a message saying no legal action needs to be taken hastily,” Quader, also the general secretary of ruling Awami League, told a media briefing at the party’s Dhanmondi office, reports BSS. He also said Saha must make a public statement explaining what she actually wanted to tell Trump.

Quader said Liberation War Affairs Minister AKM Mozammel Haque was set to lodge a sedition case against Saha but he already conveyed the premier’s message and talked to law minister Anisul Huq and home minister Asaduzzaman Khan Kamal in this regard.

Quader had previously said that Saha should be given a chance to explain herself. He also termed Saha's remarks as "absolutely false."

The foreign ministry suspected that she was led by an “ulterior motive” while the home minister said “we will certainly ask her (about the remarks) when she returns” from the United States.

The law minister, meanwhile, said Saha made utterly false allegation to gratify her personal desires and she should be ignored but “I think we should not give so much importance to this Priya Saha”.

“We should highlight the truth and ignore her. I think it is not right to term such small matters as ‘seditious offence’, but it is up to judiciary and judges to decide,” he told newsmen on the sidelines of the opening ceremony of a judges training programme.

When asked about chances of any group’s backing behind such blatant lies against the country, the law minister said it was not an impossible proposition but it was matter of investigation.

HBCUC, meanwhile, tended to disown Saha’s comments with one of its senior leaders saying the comments she made were of her own and she did not represent the Council in the meeting with the US President.

Joy slams US embassy over Priya Saha comment

Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina's ICT Affairs Adviser and son Sajeeb Wazed Joy has come down hard on the US Embassy over the issue of Priya Biswas Saha.

Sajeeb Wazed wrote on his Facebook page yesterday afternoon alleging that "the US Embassy is the one that had an ulterior motive here."

"They picked Priya Saha because they knew she would make this outrageous statement," he said.

When contacted the US Embassy in Dhaka declined to make any comment on the statement made by Joy, who resides in the US.

“We do not have any comment on this,” a US Embassy official said Sunday.

Joy said: "Fortunately for us, President Trump and his administration have a very different policy of non intervention in foreign affairs. They are also not so stupid to believe such a ridiculous claim."

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...oversial-white-house-remarks-in-youtube-video

 

[bête noire]

Welp, I just received an amazing notification. You know, I very rarely post anything, like once in many days but I am here everyday all the time following the posts. Now, what I have seen is many Pakistani members constantly taking shots and demeaning Bangladesh for absolutely no reason most of the time. No one mentions them or takes shot at them but they start it anyway. Such is the post like this one at the start of this thread.

This ticked me off a little more than this type of comment usually does since it is done so often. So after many a days, I made a post in this forum and replied to his post.

My reply is the quote of this guy. The reason I am posting the screenshot of his post is because mine got deleted and I received this notification

So I have apparently insulted his nationality. Now funny thing is, the one I replied to, doesn't seem to violate the same rule according to whichever mod that deleted my post. So his comment is still there and then followed by 1pakistani quoting mine.

Now contrary to what it might seem by my comment I quite like Pakistanis. I have been in Malaysia for a couple of years and few times I needed help of strangers and one time it was with my car. One Pakistani went out of his way to manage whatever it was that needed to jumpstart a car and did it with his car using his valuable time.

While I am in Bangladeshi section most of the time, I also spend considerable time in Pakistan economy section. And like whenever I see good news of their economy and feel quite bad for any bad news.

But this sort of behaviour from a few Pakistani and a mod no less is very disheartening to say the least. Guess I won't be posting again for a long time again since it is rewarded with these type of clear discrimination.

 

[Saiful Islam]

The religious hardliners in Sylhet basically cleansed the Hindu population there, and the Sylheti members on PDF are a true testament to that virulent mindset.

You talk utter garbage. Which religious hardliner in Sylhet cleansed the Hindu population, if you go to places like Adya or any locality surrounding Mirpur bazaar you will see hundreds of Hindus living prosperous lives and have been living side by side with *Less muslim families for decades.

You don't know nothing, stop making baseless claims. Far as I'm concerned all the hardliners come from Dhaka, all hail from surrounding areas in Dhaka.

Personally, I don't think Bangladesh persecutes non Muslims. Anyhow, the trend is mostly downwards, likely due to migration and lower fertility of these groups.

It's not in the Bangali psyche to persecute someone on their beliefs and mindset. Live and let be.