3 Reasons the Philippines Will Suffer Because of Its South China Sea Case Against China

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And what if the Russia team up with US and put kick its VODKA Bottle in China A** you know what I mean



A simple and plain question why China has disputes with all the neighboring countries and claim whether its a Land, Water, or Sea ? Are they the biggest victims in the whole world.

Russia team up with US, China will team up with aliens. lol

 

[Beast]

I don't agree with the article at all.

Any nation has the right to go to The Hague on an issue it feels aggrieved about.

China is showing signs of nervousness.

I think PHL is doing well by challenging a local Goliath , this will set the tone for others too.

Be realistic. End of days, feeding your growing hunger young population and giving them good education is better than drumming up some useless nationalistic sentiment which helps nothing in economic growth.

 

[70U63]

Sorry to disappoint you.
We don't hate you, but we just laugh when your country did something we considered failed/funny although my country is far from good.

Most probably Malaysia, to end the Sabah dispute.

 

[TaiShang]

Nobody said Indonesia and China is not cool, but China have underestimate the Indonesian concern over SCS. Do you even know Indoesnia have sign an understanding for strategic partnership with the US and have the framework done by 2020?

You are late.

Indonesia now a strategic partner

and you should not discount what Vietnam and Philippine can do, China is not that big to pass over any regional relationship. Especially the one with a land border with China

They can do lots of things. Just as folks in Fellujah did when the US almost leveled the city. Desperate people do amazing things. The US finally signed an agreement with Muqtada al Sadr and saved its back.

But this did not finish the US off. Signing agreement with Taleban and leaving Afghanistan was embarrassing but did little dent to US power.

Vietnam and Philippines can do zilch to China. If they fire first, they are finished off. Unless they do not fire, China will just expand through construction.

There are no BIG power, only naïve people think that. US is big enough, what can they do beside stepping over other people land and kill a bunch of them? At the end of the day, they still have to go back home. You think China will be any different?

Do not have to be different except that China will not be stepping over other people's land.

What did signing FTA means politically? Nothing, Korea have sign FTA to many other country, including United States. The only thing it does is, it let you buy Samsung Galaxy cheaper. that's it.

That's more than it. Greater economic cooperation means they will not easily side with this or that country against another country. This particularly so if the countries border each other and business potential is immense.

Investment and Politic is completely different thing You can have FTA with South Korea, does that mean you can push US troop out of Republic of Korea

It is Koreans to decide. But, it does not also mean that US can use Korea as a launching pod to attack or harm China.

As I said many time here, Chinese product is not as cheap as used to be. and quickly losing appeal.

Also, production cost in China have risen significantly, the west and most part of the world are now moving manufacturing base from China anyway.

That's a good thing, actually. The aim is to ensure that Chinese product would not be cheap anymore.

Just remember this, what happened in China can happen with ANYBODY, you just need the right investment in the right time. try to think otherwise is just fooling themselves. and if you pass over the cooperation between Japan and "some sad Country" then one day you will be the one who cried over this. This had happened many, many time with the US, now you think China is immune. lol

Indeed, it may happen. That's the reason one need to balance geostrategic and economic policy. Hence China has New Development Bank and all other schemes on the one hand. And island genesis program on the other. Military can never be the only diplomacy. In fact, it should be the last tool for diplomacy, always looming large as a stick but almost never used.

Last time I check the history books, it was the Republic of China (or Taiwan if you prefer) that is one of the main founders, not the People's Republic of China.

The two are one and the same, as recognized by the UN. If you want to challenge it, tell your government to file a request with UNSC.

How do you know? There are Basis of law about it, and in the legal definition, there are both argument supporting US war are within guideline of resolution 1441. You can argue if the case fulfilled the requirement of resolution 1441 but you cannot simply say it is illegal. As the top legal mind of the world have problem justifying and condemning the war. How do you know it is illegal? Are you a lawyer?

Kofi Annan worked for the UN, it does not Speak "On behalf" of the UN. What he said is his own Opinion, does not represent UN view on the decision. He could have ordered an investigation to whether the war is legal from the basis of UN Charter via UN General Assembly. But he did not do it, one have to wonder why.

That's the beauty of international law. It is like a net. Strong countries can pierce through. Small ones are caught.

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Great Indian discovery.

Do remember China is not the US and Philippine is not Iraq. US can get away with it because there are several other country don't want Iraq to continue exist in their then current form, but who else hated Philippine beside China?

In fact Iraq was a stronger country with a more developed society and social system. If you expose Pinoys to the same type of sanctions, they will start to rot in no time. China can get away with anything, the question is, would China really do that. It is a matter of priorities.

And what if the Russia team up with US and put kick its VODKA Bottle in China A** you know what I mean

Modi-fy your brain. If you know what I mean.

A simple and plain question why China has disputes with all the neighboring countries and claim whether its a Land, Water, or Sea ? Are they the biggest victims in the whole world.

Because water and sea are two different things. China wants these to become one and the same while other countries insist water and sea should remain separate.

 

[Jlaw]

The theme of the article seems to be to deter PHL because Big Brother China's path is being crossed.

Does China realise the huge negative effect of losing a case at the International Court ? I do not recall the the last time a permanent member of UN lost one .

The fact the China choses not to participate indicates the weak ground China knows its on.

VN will follow next.

China treated Taiwan as a renegade province - it does not seem to be any worse for it for all these decades.

Vietnam will not follow next. Fact: Vietnam was the one who originally wanted to launch this case, but somehow tricked the Pinoys into launching it.

 

[jhungary]

You are late.

Indonesia now a strategic partner

Dude, that was in 2005, do you know US and Indonesia are Strategic Partner during the 1970?

Things change, and if Indonesia did not invade East Timor back in the 90s, Indonesia would have continue to be US partner since their inception. Don't forget Indonesia have had it share of Anti-Chinese movement.

They can do lots of things. Just as folks in Fellujah did when the US almost leveled the city. Desperate people do amazing things. The US finally signed an agreement with Muqtada al Sadr and saved its back.

But this did not finish the US off. Signing agreement with Taleban and leaving Afghanistan was embarrassing but did little dent to US power.

LOL, that is a good way to rewrite history.

I was there in Fallujah in 2004, there were NO AGREEMENT between US force and al-Sadr. They attack our convoy in and out of BIAP, but we held on the perimeter and the tank of 1st Cav Division (My parental Unit) crush the Al-Sadr troop. Basically left him useless nor able to serve in any capacity for the insurgent.

Sadr was not in the capture and kill list because he voluntarily left the Iraqi Parliament and not to elect himself into any sort of power brokage position. Basically the Iraqi Government betrayed him by removing him and his trusted minister to Sadr party in 2007. Leaving him no leverage at all during US occupation.

US did not leave Afghanistan, nor did it sign any agreement with Taliban, the ISAF occupation have change to Operation Resolute Support upon the NATO deadline of ISAF decommission began Dec 2014.

I don't know where you get the news in the middle east.

Vietnam and Philippines can do zilch to China. If they fire first, they are finished off. Unless they do not fire, China will just expand through construction.

lol you also do realise China can do zilch to Philippine and Vietnam, right? And right now Vietnam and Philippine have more island in SCS than China.

In the end, you will only see Vietnam and Philippine both reclaim their island with help from Japan and US.

Do not have to be different except that China will not be stepping over other people's land.

lol, that's the point of "using force to settle dispute" that's the same as stepping over other people's land

That's more than it. Greater economic cooperation means they will not easily side with this or that country against another country. This particularly so if the countries border each other and business potential is immense.

Umm, wrong again.

I will have to admire your naivety, if you actually think money change political environment, lol

You think when you pump enough money, those country will just do what you say? Do you realise in real world, the world we live in, those country will just take your money and say thank you and move on?

Again and again, we see US, Japan dump money on some other nation only to be betrayed by them, and you think China can be any different??

It is Koreans to decide. But, it does not also mean that US can use Korea as a launching pod to attack or harm China.

First of all, the reason for US troop stationed in Republic of Korea is not because of China, but North Korea.

And second of all, those are US BASES, the US can do what they want as they are not leasing those base like in the UK or in Philippine before 1992. Those base in Korea belong to the US, as part of United State Force in Korea. So, no one, not even South Korean, can tell the US what to do with their bases. If the US choose to attack China via or in support with those base in South Korea, Republic of Korean government cannot do anything about it.

That's a good thing, actually. The aim is to ensure that Chinese product would not be cheap anymore.

Then Chinese product will not have a large customer base overseas, which is a bad

Indeed, it may happen. That's the reason one need to balance geostrategic and economic policy. Hence China has New Development Bank and all other schemes on the one hand. And island genesis program on the other. Military can never be the only diplomacy. In fact, it should be the last tool for diplomacy, always looming large as a stick but almost never used.

Good point, but this is a point where it almost entirely lost with your compadre

That's the beauty of international law. It is like a net. Strong countries can pierce through. Small ones are caught.

Actually no, and this is dangerous to think strong can get away with everything. US uses a loophole within the law, not "bending" the law like your fellow member suggested

If you can find a loophole and support your clause, then good on you, but if you think no one can challenge you only because you are strong, then you are wrong.

In fact Iraq was a stronger country with a more developed society and social system. If you expose Pinoys to the same type of sanctions, they will start to rot in no time. China can get away with anything, the question is, would China really do that. It is a matter of priorities.

lol, first of all, Iraq is shit compare to Philippine in 2003. I would have agree if you are talking about Iraq in 1990s but in 2003, Iraq is a broken country. Again, I was there, I know.

It take the US exactly 43 days to conquer Iraq during the offensive in 2003. And no if you think China can get away with anything like the US then you should probably think again. Even US need a coalition to mess around, who do you have in China to support you and follow China to war, no question asked?

If you want a war with Philippine, you better prepare for it, not just sweet talk in here, and I know for a fact that War are not as easy as you say. You may think you can do probably anything, but in war, and you go in alone, that is a good way to get beat up.

 

[Zero_wing]

How will Philippine killed their chance of getting any better without China? They are currently doing it without China and get 6.7 to 7.4 % growth predicted in 2015. So what if China keep on stop importing Philippine? Does that mean they will go back to stone age?

Problem is, you, along with many Chinese member here think Chinese Market is too big to pass, it may be the case for established and developed country such as US, Australia or Canada, as they need to squeeze every bit of profit, the problem is, for country like Philippine, which solely rely on investment and export primary product, Chinese investment is just as good as from any country, on the other hand, I actually see Chinese losing the ability to lose money by refusing to invest in Philippine, and hence you can see country like South Korea and Japan pick up what Chinese left off, gladly.

Every country is interchangeable. As long as the right amount of money and right amount of time is invested, you will have the same result as doing business with ANYONE else. In this case, either China depend on Philippine to survive nor Philippine depend on China to survive. So what would they lose? Do tell



How do I know??

Just look at the situation now, the pretence have push Vietnam, Japan and Indonesia more into US camp and expanding their military capability greatly, all in the name of "Chinese Aggression" card played by the US.

So, you tell me are China naive enough to play further into the "Chinese Aggression" card and fuel the fire further and expect nothing change in return?

Noted that it is not US pull them further into their camp, it was Chinese who drive them into the US camp.

Because majority of the chinese imperial d bags here think they the best thing that happen in this planet so the opposite arrogant simply arrogance

 

[prima99]

Dude, that was in 2005, do you know US and Indonesia are Strategic Partner during the 1970?

Things change, and if Indonesia did not invade East Timor back in the 90s, Indonesia would have continue to be US partner since their inception. Don't forget Indonesia have had it share of Anti-Chinese movement.

seconded. also something i'd like to add as well

Indonesia Is Building New Military Base in South China Sea | The National Interest Blog

 

[Rechoice]

Vietnam will not follow next. Fact: Vietnam was the one who originally wanted to launch this case, but somehow tricked the Pinoys into launching it.

NO.

Vietnam will bring China to court for Paracel case to the next. China robbed Paracel with force 1974 from South Vietnam is illegal.

 

[xesy]

China always wants to see itself a superpower rival to US. In some aspects, China event surpassed US. However, China has to learn a lot from the US. US always keeps the fight far from home, China picks fight with its neighbor. US gangs up on its enemies with allies, China wants to take on the world by itself. US makes laws and plays by them, sometimes around the law; China makes laws then says: "Screw the law, law is for the weak. I am the law". That's why nobody wants to follow the world order China seeks to establish, except China.

 

[70U63]

It seems like someone has been living in their own world for too long.

US makes laws and plays by them, sometimes around the law;

 

[xesy]

It seems like someone has been living in their own world for too long.

What's wrong about my sentence? American love laws, they have tons of them, and tons of ways to play around it.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

China always wants to see itself a superpower rival to US. In some aspects, China event surpassed US. However, China has to learn a lot from the US. US always keeps the fight far from home, China picks fight with its neighbor. US gangs up on its enemies with allies, China wants to take on the world by itself. US makes laws and plays by them, sometimes around the law; China makes laws then says: "Screw the law, law is for the weak. I am the law". That's why nobody wants to follow the world order China seeks to establish, except China.

not much you can do when surrounded. do you remember how bad it was in Vietnam in early 1990s when Vietnam was totally isolated? you have to break the siege.

 

[xesy]

not much you can do when surrounded. do you remember how bad it was in Vietnam in early 1990s when Vietnam was totally isolated? you have to break the siege.

We had it worse than that. but I get your point. Yet, as part of the "siege", I prefere using "natural obstacle", to China power and influence expansion, VN has to hold it ground. It's just a matter of perspective, nothing personal.

 

[NiceGuy]

Vietnam will not follow next. Fact: Vietnam was the one who originally wanted to launch this case, but somehow tricked the Pinoys into launching it.

Bingo ! seem like CNese r not so stupid, finally they realise the Truth that we (VN) r behind the Pinoys in this case.

I told u guys already, VN has lots of perfect spies hiding in many nations , and they will ruin the enemies when the right time come