26/11-like attack in Kenya, Indians among 39 killed

[BloodyPak96]

Maybe kali ma will finally give them shakti lol.

Lol maybe there kalki will come and conquer a world full of guns and tanks with a horse and sword

 

[American Pakistani]

I think he was more criticizing Pakistani Muslim members and their mentality than he was criticizing Islam per se..

You really need to read his posts again. I cannot spoon feed anyone.

 

[ghilzai]

I am so sick of Pakistanis trying to twist the words to make others look like devil that for a moment I thought of completely ignoring your post. However, I will let you have the opportunity to ponder for a bit.

Yes, I have greater respect for the terrorists because they go out and do what they believe in, than for people like you who sit in their homes, watch their kith and kins massacred day in day out, and yet hope that this is happening for a greater cause of Islam.

When the American soldiers do something disgusting in Afghanistan, they are hated by the general Americans. When a Hindu does something disgusting like this, he would be hated by all Hindus - and that voice of criticism and hatred comes out denouncing these people.

However, when the Islamic terrorists do something on the same line, entire Muslim population, almost 2 billion, stays completely quiet on it. Barely any columns, or loud voices of any leaders, political or spiritual, come out to denounce these acts and these people or their supporter.

Heck, when OBL was killed, there were rallies in Pakistan in support of his cause. On this very forum, I was online then - when the news first came in, I saw much greater hatred and condemnation for the US and NATO, than for the same terrorists that are pushing Pakistan down the drain.

It is your country, and if you say one thing, and do another while watching it go down the drain, then yes, I find greater respect for the terrorists than for you!

You are just a facist, today Muslims tomorrow Christians, your kind always has a new target.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Is the siege over or not ?

 

[Not Sure]

You can add me to the list as well.

You are right to lambast those who have just come on to have a go at other posters but to seriously envisage posters to keep their cool when there have been posts of "**** Islam", "treat all Muslims the same way", is seriously naive. People will react.

Wow man! I cannot believe you. Do you seriously mean that?

You mean to say that the death of unarmed civilians at the hands of those who commit this crime in the name your own God - Allah, is a trivial matter when compared to someone coming only and being reactionary and just calls name at Islam?

This is amazing! You are going even a step further.

Quite clearly, for you, someone calling names at Islam is a much grave a crime than for someone to make use of Islam and maligning its name all over the world.

Do you even know what conclusion any sane man would draw from your post?

This is what I am forced to conclude now: "It seems those terrorists did not malign the name of Islam, and are doing what Islam actually teaches, may be that is why Muslims would rather condemn someone calling names at Islam, and not someone taking lives indiscriminately in the name of Allah"

And I am not the only one who is going to arrive at that conclusion. Remember that.

Humans are an emotional creature. The 2 guys condemned it before all the anti islam comments came in. After that people started defending there faith. That's how it changed from victims to faith. Plus it is scientificaly proven that you feel more for your own people than others. Humans still have that tribe mentality and will always have it.

You do not need those crutches to defend those who you think may be your brothers.

If you are a human, then at this moment, a Hindu or a Christian or a Jew who is condemning this act would be a greater brother to you than those Muslims who quietly avoid condemning this act.

For the sake of Islam, you should be in fact lashing out at those Muslims who are sitting quiet here and getting into petty internet fights, than condemn the dirty acts done in the name of Islam.

But I know you won't, and I know the reason too.

 

[Roybot]

Is the siege over or not ?

No not yet, hostage situation still on.

 

[Mercenary]

Time for Drone Strikes to expand into Somalia

 

[ghilzai]

Wow man! I cannot believe you. Do you seriously mean that?

You mean to say that the death of unarmed civilians at the hands of those who commit this crime in the name your own God - Allah, is a trivial matter when compared to someone coming only and being reactionary and just calls name at Islam?

This is amazing! You are going even a step further.

Quite clearly, for you, someone calling names at Islam is a much grave a crime than for someone to make use of Islam and maligning its name all over the world.

Do you even know what conclusion any sane man would draw from your post?

This is what I am forced to conclude now: "It seems those terrorists did not malign the name of Islam, and are doing what Islam actually teaches, may be that is why Muslims would rather condemn someone calling names at Islam, and not someone taking lives indiscriminately in the name of Allah"

And I am not the only one who is going to arrive at that conclusion. Remember that.

Islam is very tolerant, Islam tells us to not even call others religion false even if it is false, Islam is very tolerant.

As humans and Muslim we cannot be that tolerate when or way if life, dignity is repeatedly threatened and attacked.

I would smash up an Indian purely because he is an Indian even if he is Muslim , Islam didn't tell me to do that, thats my personal belief, so how is Islam at fault?.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Even though I understand the anger and am not happy with the contribution of Pakistani members in this thread, I would suggest some Indian members to tone down on the anti-Islam xenophobic comments.

 

[Not Sure]

Our rage is against false and fabricated titles, our rage is against those who have used the name of our nation without any proof, the operation is going but Indians have come to conclusion that it was a Pakistani.

We condemn such acts wether they are against Muslim or none Muslims, but with out any evidence we will not tolerate the name of our nation being maligned.

So what exactly matters to you is not what happened, rather what the Indians are saying.

And how often Pakistanis here have waited till the proofs are out before condemning the acts committed by non-Muslim perpetrators, is witnessed by all of us on everyday basis.

Thank you for the thought, but if it took a big shout out by me for you to even begin to condemn it, then well, what can I say.

Your country, your religion. None else is responsible for all that is happening in the Islamic world today.

You may blame Americans/Indians/Israelis/Franks etc., but at the end of the day, it is you and your own society.

 

[Roybot]

5.58pm Final assault commenced, attackers hiding in a room with bullet proof window

Hopefully it will end soon, and I hope they catch some of these scum jihadis alive.

 

[BloodyPak96]

Wow man! I cannot believe you. Do you seriously mean that?

You mean to say that the death of unarmed civilians at the hands of those who commit this crime in the name your own God - Allah, is a trivial matter when compared to someone coming only and being reactionary and just calls name at Islam?

This is amazing! You are going even a step further.

Quite clearly, for you, someone calling names at Islam is a much grave a crime than for someone to make use of Islam and maligning its name all over the world.

Do you even know what conclusion any sane man would draw from your post?

This is what I am forced to conclude now: "It seems those terrorists did not malign the name of Islam, and are doing what Islam actually teaches, may be that is why Muslims would rather condemn someone calling names at Islam, and not someone taking lives indiscriminately in the name of Allah"

And I am not the only one who is going to arrive at that conclusion. Remember that.



You do not need those crutches to defend those who you think may be your brothers.

If you are a human, then at this moment, a Hindu or a Christian or a Jew who is condemning this act would be a greater brother to you than those Muslims who quietly avoid condemning this act.

For the sake of Islam, you should be in fact lashing out at those Muslims who are sitting quiet here and getting into petty internet fights, than condemn the dirty acts done in the name of Islam.

But I know you won't, and I know the reason too.

Who the hell do you think you are. You know nothing about islam. I have memorized every word of the quran and nothing says to do this kind of thing. Of course I condemn this attack just like most muslims would. Alot of islamic orginizations condemn this attack yet you think no one does. I was ignoring your posts but that last line really pissed me off. Go look for the islamic organizations which condemened 911 to boston. Your just spewing that bs most islamohaters do. Before you go spewing bs atleast confirm what you are saying.

Islam is very tolerant, Islam tells us to not even call others religion false even if it is false, Islam is very tolerant.

As humans and Muslim we cannot be that tolerate when or way if life, dignity is repeatedly threatened and attacked.

I would smash up an Indian purely because he is an Indian even if he is Muslim , Islam didn't tell me to do that, thats my personal belief, so how is Islam at fault?.

Leave this guy bro. He doesn't know anythin yet is acting like he is some expert of islam on the highest degree. Just because he doesn't see the mainstream media reporting muslims condemning these acts, he thinks no muslim does.

 

[waz]

I am so sick of Pakistanis trying to twist the words to make others look like devil that for a moment I thought of completely ignoring your post. However, I will let you have the opportunity to ponder for a bit.

Yes, I have greater respect for the terrorists because they go out and do what they believe in, than for people like you who sit in their homes, watch their kith and kins massacred day in day out, and yet hope that this is happening for a greater cause of Islam.

When the American soldiers do something disgusting in Afghanistan, they are hated by the general Americans. When a Hindu does something disgusting like this, he would be hated by all Hindus - and that voice of criticism and hatred comes out denouncing these people.

However, when the Islamic terrorists do something on the same line, entire Muslim population, almost 2 billion, stays completely quiet on it. Barely any columns, or loud voices of any leaders, political or spiritual, come out to denounce these acts and these people or their supporter.

Heck, when OBL was killed, there were rallies in Pakistan in support of his cause. On this very forum, I was online then - when the news first came in, I saw much greater hatred and condemnation for the US and NATO, than for the same terrorists that are pushing Pakistan down the drain.

It is your country, and if you say one thing, and do another while watching it go down the drain, then yes, I find greater respect for the terrorists than for you!

Firstly no one twisted your words, I just quoted what you wrote and asked for an explanation.

Your next assumption that I “sit at home” is even more ridiculous. What would you possibly know about me? Do you know I am actively part of an organization that actively works against such extremists and this is from the smallest level such as distributing printed literature against them to even brawls? The fact you even put me, a Sufi, in the bracket of people wanting their actions to succeed, as some sort of greater goal is vile.

You then talk of how when a Hindu does something the entire population comes out, or in your own words “all Hindus”. Now I can show you posts on here celebrating communal attacks on Muslims and Christians in India from Hindu posters. They usually come in the guise of “they started it we will end it”. So your claims fall flat on their face, and I’m only looking through the small spectrum of this website. You also seem to confuse nationality with faith with your American soldiers example. They are not proponents of Christianity or claim to represent it. If their people do come out to condemn them it is because they soil the name of their nation. Again I have seen many who refuse to condemn the actions of the infamous kill squad team, either saying they were traumatized because of stress, the government was to blame and some even cheering them on. However I will say that many Muslims do have a greater tendency to stick their head in the sands.

Many Muslims condemn the actions of these terrorists and they come from every walk of life, political allegiance, job and so forth. If you choose to close your eyes or willfully ignore such folks that doesn’t mean it does not happen, as you quite clearly stated in your post.

As for OBL to hell with him and all his ilk.

I most certainly follow up what I say online with what I do in reality.

 

[[Bregs]]

This is barbaric act of targeted bloodshed of specific communities

 

[Not Sure]

Islam is very tolerant, Islam tells us to not even call others religion false even if it is false, Islam is very tolerant.

As humans and Muslim we cannot be that tolerate when or way if life, dignity is repeatedly threatened and attacked.

I would smash up an Indian purely because he is an Indian even if he is Muslim , Islam didn't tell me to do that, thats my personal belief, so how is Islam at fault?.

Tell me something, what is more important to you - Islam or Pakistan?

If it is Pakistan, which is more important to you than is Islam, then I have nothing to say, you are well justified in your statements, and I say my statements are not directed at you.

However, if Islam is more important to you, then should you not be more angry at the terrorists are portraying your tolerant religion as so intolerant.

This name calling is nothing compared to using your religion to spread something such violence that you say is against the tenets of your religion. Yet, your anger is quickly diverted at Indians.