25 More F-35s for Israel

[scythian500]

There's no such thing. It's bullshit. Please provide a source for it

1- Considerable criticism followed in the wake of U.S. Ambassador Tom Schieffer's confirmation to the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs (JSCFADT) on 21 June 2004: "With regard to the stealth technology, the airplane that Australia will get will be the stealthiest airplane that anybody outside the United States can acquire. We have given assurances to Australia that we will give you the absolute maximum that we can with regard to that technology. Having said that, the airplane will not be exactly the same airplane as the United States will have. But it will be a stealth fighter; it will have stealth capabilities; and it will be at the highest level that anyone in the world has outside the United States."[142][143] Lockheed Martin's Tom Burbage stated in a 2006 article that export of key technologies such as stealth would be limited by U.S. national disclosure policy.[144] A Jane's article in 2004 gave a hint that US$1B, spent on several contracts, may provide for a less stealthy F-35 export configuration.[145]

2- Reality Check: JSF’s Phantom Export Variant
3- How Stealthy Is Your F-35? | Defense Tech
4- http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Publications/SpecialistPapers/F-35LightningIIPotentialMarket.pdf
First, Don,t expect USA to admit it loud that all export versions are degraded or to their saying "is sealed from exposure" or " to be fit into National Disclosure Act.
There are many speculations about the NATIONAL DISCLOSURE POLICY effect on export versions specially for those partners that are not considered as close as Isreal to US. I hope it is all BULLSHIT as you said and Turkish brother get exactly what American get... But let,s be rational for a second.. for a plane that is going to be the air superiority in next 50 years or so.. is it wise to give exact capable plans for countries that there is no guarantee they stay allied?? US learned a valuable lesson with Iranian Shah that they sold Tomcat F-14 with full capability even before their own air force get them.. This is used against their will later after revolution.. Isreal already pressed USA to let them have their own avionics and electronics in order to avoid being in lesser position. Brother..how much close Turkey is to USA.. to their eyes Turkey is still a Muslim country that can turn faces with a revolution. Although,, if you read Patriotic rule of National Closure, you get that Americans can,t even sell the SAME strategic weapons to UK.. let aside Turkey... are n,t you agreed my brother?

 

[F-15I]

why the F-35s US is going to export to Turkey is of degraded Export versions? I have read somewhere it will be down graded in a way to not being able to surpass Israeli ones.. how come? Is n,t it Turkey a NATO founder and close ally of USA? why they always discriminate?

i dont know who told you that but all the export versions are the same
Israel and Turkey will get the same version.

 

[scythian500]

i dont know who told you that but all the export versions are the same
Israel and Turkey will get the same version.

I hope so as Turkey is one of my favorites armies... They are one of pillars of European culture in front of savage Muslims ( I guess you like this correction more!!) Turk Nation!!! (what a joke an stone age claim with no scientific or rational proof to support that you are even TURK in original!!)... This power might come handy someday... although I hope not...

 

[F-15I]

I hope so as Turkey is one of my favorites armies... They are the pillar of Islam in front of Europe... This power might come handy someday... although I hope not...

Their army not pillar of Islam in Europe and nowhere else, their army is pillar of Turkey Nation,
they are not plannig to fight in the name of pillar of Islam in somewhere, maybe Iran is pillar of Islam in this case.

 

[lavenge lavenge]

i dont know who told you that but all the export versions are the same
Israel and Turkey will get the same version.

AFAIK Israel is installing it's own AESA radar and EW suite on it's F-35. This means that Israeli F-35 would be different from Factory model that Turkey would be getting, even if not better.

 

[Neptune]

Their army not pillar of Islam in Europe and nowhere else, their army is pillar of Turkey Nation,
they are not plannig to fight in the name of pillar of Islam in somewhere, maybe Iran is pillar of Islam in this case.

Well said.

 

[Natan]

AFAIK Israel is installing it's own AESA radar and EW suite on it's F-35. This means that Israeli F-35 would be different from Factory model that Turkey would be getting, even if not better.

EW - yes, AESA - no.

 

[scythian500]

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Their army not pillar of Islam in Europe and nowhere else, their army is pillar of Turkey Nation,
they are not planning to fight in the name of pillar of Islam in somewhere, maybe Iran is pillar of Islam in this case.

Erdugan and his fellow followers repeat this every day ... It is known they want to rerise Otomons so they be the speakers of Islam in front of world again... and you Turkish brothers don,t act like you,re are in ANY WAY affiliated with Europeans... I have been to turkey for months and I know Turkish people are Just TURKS and no less and no more... They are more like simple, honest, Muslim devoted individuals that many of them are smart enough to confess and regret, being fooled by Islamic talks and promises of their beloved Erdugan party... and Yes, Iran is a pillar of Islam in face of all WESTERN ENEMIES... and we are pretty PROUD of being Muslim, shia and defending Islam. We are classy,, Classy persons have their own HUVEYYET... I don,t understand what this european culture has that many blind people are so in love with it... If I was Turkey when I applied many times to BE ACCEPTED as Europe and every time FRANCE (the symbol of Europe) and Germany (the master of Europe) rejected us being a part of Turkey, saying very himulating stuff about Turkey never can be a part of Turkey ...and it is as european as Moroco... I would instead back off and get so strong so I remind them of my power and then impose my will to uncivilized Euroepans. And did you know, Nationalism is welll beyond stone age mindset? Don,t you agreed with your prophet? Muhammad said in first speeches "From now on, there is no black, white, yellow, Turk, Arab, Persian categories... It is all about being human been that God created us all equal... The only factor that makes someone or a group of people BETTER in Gods eyes, is to be of more morally perfect... Even in Europe heaven wish place, nationalism is well put behind and they talk about UNITED european nations... but you still are stuck in Turk nation... furthermore, you used to talk of REAL original turks but every simple student knows now that you are not original Turks in turkey and originall ones are somewhere in between Mongolia and Caspian sea!!

 

[scythian500]

Well said.

no doubt that Iran is ONE of the pillars of Islam and the credit of all Muslims in face of their common enemies and you know what, I think what you said about "MAYBE IRAN IS THE PILLAR OF ISLAM"..is actually a complement as I am very very proud of myself and my religion... whatever it is...bad or perfect... I enjoy it... love it and proud of me whatever I am.. you guys think of some permanent stand so others don,t make fun of your desires to be part of european culture while they won,t allow u!!! and at the same time Erdugan claiming he is and will be the one that rises its otomon flags again... at least in my culture... some one is considered CLASSY and RELIABLE that has one fixed and known STAND... someone that doesn,t scape his own culture and try to be someone else's ... and put himself in very himulating position of being rejected by that other culture (if we can even call it a culture as it is a bunch of GLHB promoters with more than half of their members being bastards!! families with no marriage... kidds with no father... I know you get what I mean)

PS: I myself ADMIT that Iran and its culture is the WORST culture and country on earth..so whatever you try to say in order to make me look bad so you look good!!! what a naive technic... whatever you say, I ALREADY confessed I,m the worst, uncivilized, savage person and nation of all times... so , spare your precious time and breath

 

[scythian500]

i dont know who told you that but all the export versions are the same
Israel and Turkey will get the same version.

already replied

 

[F-15I]

Dear @scythian500 you must be very proud of beeing pillar of Islam, but dont troll the theme, stay on subject!

 

[scythian500]

I agree F-15... I agree... But I had a question and listed a few of doubts about being Turkish or other tiers of JSF program partners, benefiting only from a different if not degraded export version. and per known news, Israeil as always don,t want even US to know or have any superior ability when it comes to fighters, radars and their electronic ability. and Regardless of the doubts about the stealthy capability of export versions comparing to american ones, does Turkey have any similar program to make their F-35s unique to their advantage?
PS: I promise to stay on TOPIC and TOPIC ONLY if only others don,t start the trolling... I don,t know why it is always like this that when somebody ASKS about some doubts, let,s say about Turkish planes...they Turk friends start to bring up non-related issues to prove Iran is weaker!!? I asked a question... do u have the answer? if you don,t ...just leave it to somebody that has it... and I always said... PROVING THAT I AM BAD, IN NO WAY, MAKES YOU BETTER...

other than this... I always wished to stay on topic... if you search all my posts you see I never started to say any bad thing about anyone, untill some blind person started it... then I have the right to defend...although, it is only a virtual forum and not a battle field so let,s keep it professional buddies

 

[Neptune]

no doubt that Iran is ONE of the pillars of Islam and the credit of all Muslims in face of their common enemies and you know what, I think what you said about "MAYBE IRAN IS THE PILLAR OF ISLAM"..is actually a complement as I am very very proud of myself and my religion... whatever it is...bad or perfect... I enjoy it... love it and proud of me whatever I am.. you guys think of some permanent stand so others don,t make fun of your desires to be part of european culture while they won,t allow u!!! and at the same time Erdugan claiming he is and will be the one that rises its otomon flags again... at least in my culture... some one is considered CLASSY and RELIABLE that has one fixed and known STAND... someone that doesn,t scape his own culture and try to be someone else's ... and put himself in very himulating position of being rejected by that other culture (if we can even call it a culture as it is a bunch of GLHB promoters with more than half of their members being bastards!! families with no marriage... kidds with no father... I know you get what I mean)

PS: I myself ADMIT that Iran and its culture is the WORST culture and country on earth..so whatever you try to say in order to make me look bad so you look good!!! what a naive technic... whatever you say, I ALREADY confessed I,m the worst, uncivilized, savage person and nation of all times... so , spare your precious time and breath

Drinks from me son.

 

[scythian500]

Drinks from me son.

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yeahhhh baby laugh is a good therapy
for god sake what kind of laugh it is!!! just look it it again!! omg... It scared the shit out of me
looks more like that Jinn I imagine it in front of me...when I,m alone in adarkness... seriously, it is much more scary than he being angry or mad!!

 

[F-15I]

PROVING THAT I AM BAD, IN NO WAY, MAKES YOU BETTER...

ok, once you proved that you are a good guy i will try to answer your question
1. All the export versions are the same
2. Israeli version will use The Israeli avionics and electronics = F-35I
3. As much i know there is no permission to install the Israeli radar on F-35
4. The only different between Israeli and Turkish version is the Israeli one will use their own avionics and electronics

@Neptune correct me if im wrong

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