25 More F-35s for Israel

[F-15I]

@scythian500 by the way try to make shorter your comments
seems like you write stories

 

[Neptune]

ok, once you proved that you are a good guy i will try to answer your question
1. All the export versions are the same
2. Israeli version will use The Israeli avionics and electronics = F-35I
3. As much i know there is no permission to install the Israeli radar on F-35
4. The only different between Israeli and Turkish version is the Israeli one will use their own avionics and electronics

@Neptune correct me if im wrong

@500 @Natan @rmi5 @lavenge lavenge

Yeah that's true..(Number 4l

 

[haviZsultan]

And they would never provide these same f35's to us Pakistanis despite us being their allies. Its differential treatment we get from them.

 

[VCheng]

And they would never provide these same f35's to us Pakistanis despite us being their allies. Its differential treatment we get from them.

The addition of such aircraft would upset the balance of power in the region.

 

[scythian500]

Yeah that's true..(Number 4l

@F-15I and @pluton ... any sources? what are those announcements from Americans that I brought up in my first post? I even heard that due to some doubts a few partners started to IDLE their big orders and only orders a few to make sure it is what they need and not what US claims...There is especially one announcement made by a responsible authority asking about degradation of F-35s sold to Australian... The answer is quite suspicious...

 

[rockstar08]

The addition of such aircraft would upset the balance of power in the region.

addition of 1-2 Sqs in Paf , will not upset the balance of power ... our neighbors are looking for Rafale , kindly tell us wont it upset the region ??

 

[scythian500]

And they would never provide these same f35's to us Pakistanis despite us being their allies. Its differential treatment we get from them.

This is very simple... Never expect your enemy to give you what you might use against him later.. US is not your enemy? Well... USA is against every capable Muslim country and despite the disguised real policies, they show it from time to time... The solution is to rely on yourself and a few other capable Independent Muslim nations... The problem is all countries act based on their national interests and they can easily turn their back at you when necessary...

 

[scythian500]

The addition of such aircraft would upset the balance of power in the region.

There is no balance brother.. They want to make sure the weight is always heavier on their Israeli side.. so, they is no balance.. Israeil is equipped with latest anti-human WMDs like nukes and west gladly supply them with subs to carry those missiles and other techs to make sure they always are the winning sword in face of Middle east Muslim and Pak

 

[Penguin]

1- Considerable criticism followed in the wake of U.S. Ambassador Tom Schieffer's confirmation to the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs (JSCFADT) on 21 June 2004: "With regard to the stealth technology, the airplane that Australia will get will be the stealthiest airplane that anybody outside the United States can acquire. We have given assurances to Australia that we will give you the absolute maximum that we can with regard to that technology. Having said that, the airplane will not be exactly the same airplane as the United States will have. But it will be a stealth fighter; it will have stealth capabilities; and it will be at the highest level that anyone in the world has outside the United States."[142][143] Lockheed Martin's Tom Burbage stated in a 2006 article that export of key technologies such as stealth would be limited by U.S. national disclosure policy.[144] A Jane's article in 2004 gave a hint that US$1B, spent on several contracts, may provide for a less stealthy F-35 export configuration.[145]

2- Reality Check: JSF’s Phantom Export Variant
3- How Stealthy Is Your F-35? | Defense Tech
4- http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/Publications/SpecialistPapers/F-35LightningIIPotentialMarket.pdf
First, Don,t expect USA to admit it loud that all export versions are degraded or to their saying "is sealed from exposure" or " to be fit into National Disclosure Act.
There are many speculations about the NATIONAL DISCLOSURE POLICY effect on export versions specially for those partners that are not considered as close as Isreal to US. I hope it is all BULLSHIT as you said and Turkish brother get exactly what American get... But let,s be rational for a second.. for a plane that is going to be the air superiority in next 50 years or so.. is it wise to give exact capable plans for countries that there is no guarantee they stay allied?? US learned a valuable lesson with Iranian Shah that they sold Tomcat F-14 with full capability even before their own air force get them.. This is used against their will later after revolution.. Isreal already pressed USA to let them have their own avionics and electronics in order to avoid being in lesser position. Brother..how much close Turkey is to USA.. to their eyes Turkey is still a Muslim country that can turn faces with a revolution. Although,, if you read Patriotic rule of National Closure, you get that Americans can,t even sell the SAME strategic weapons to UK.. let aside Turkey... are n,t you agreed my brother?

So, how would that work, exactly, given that the F-35 has been designed to have a low radar cross section primarily due to the shape of the aircraft and the use of stealthy materials in its construction, including fiber-mat.

 

[scythian500]

The addition of such aircraft would upset the balance of power in the region.

And one more important thing my haidar brother (what a beautiful name u got in there) is that, MILITARY POWER BALANCE is not only about one having a specific fighter jet... military capability has many dimensions that a capable air force is only one of them... For example, Pak has nuke with delivery systems... This only capability can overshadow all rivals air forces at once...

 

[scythian500]

ok, once you proved that you are a good guy i will try to answer your question
1. All the export versions are the same
2. Israeli version will use The Israeli avionics and electronics = F-35I
3. As much i know there is no permission to install the Israeli radar on F-35
4. The only different between Israeli and Turkish version is the Israeli one will use their own avionics and electronics

@Neptune correct me if im wrong

@500 @Natan @rmi5 @lavenge lavenge

1- Considerable criticism followed in the wake of U.S. Ambassador Tom Schieffer's confirmation to the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs (JSCFADT) on 21 June 2004: "With regard to the stealth technology, the airplane that Australia will get will be the stealthiest airplane that anybody outside the United States can acquire. We have given assurances to Australia that we will give you the absolute maximum that we can with regard to that technology. Having said that, the airplane will not be exactly the same airplane as the United States will have. But it will be a stealth fighter; it will have stealth capabilities; and it will be at the highest level that anyone in the world has outside the United States."[142][143] Lockheed Martin's Tom Burbage stated in a 2006 article that export of key technologies such as stealth would be limited by U.S. national disclosure policy.[144] A Jane's article in 2004 gave a hint that US$1B, spent on several contracts, may provide for a less stealthy F-35 export configuration.[145]

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You know what I mean? When there is a CONFIRMATION, to Australia that they will receive THE STEALTHIEST anybody can receive outside US,... this means there are lower stealthy versions on export... specially when they CONFIRM that there are different layers of sophistication in technology in their EXPORT versions based on WHAT country it is exported to... do u agree?

 

[scythian500]

So, how would that work, exactly, given that the F-35 has been designed to have a low radar cross section primarily due to the shape of the aircraft and the use of stealthy materials in its construction, including fiber-mat.

u tell me!!! but as far as I know, there are other elements from electronics to radar to other aspects that increase the RCS of an aircraft... I guess they want to put degraded systems on some versions so they make sure for example Turkey will never be able to use it against Israeli or US in case of something like Iranian before and after revolution happens... do you agree guys?

 

[VCheng]

addition of 1-2 Sqs in Paf , will not upset the balance of power ... our neighbors are looking for Rafale , kindly tell us wont it upset the region ??

If and when the Rafales are in service, may be then the issue can be revisited.

 

[rmi5]

ok, once you proved that you are a good guy i will try to answer your question
1. All the export versions are the same
2. Israeli version will use The Israeli avionics and electronics = F-35I
3. As much i know there is no permission to install the Israeli radar on F-35
4. The only different between Israeli and Turkish version is the Israeli one will use their own avionics and electronics

you are right

 

[rmi5]

u tell me!!! but as far as I know, there are other elements from electronics to radar to other aspects that increase the RCS of an aircraft... I guess they want to put degraded systems on some versions so they make sure for example Turkey will never be able to use it against Israeli or US in case of something like Iranian before and after revolution happens... do you agree guys?

That's garbage talks. A considerable part of F-35s themselves are built in Turkey, Turkey has been a partner in the project, and Turkey would have the biggest fleet of fighters after USA. I think that speaks for itself. What degraded systems you are talking about? The only systems exists there, are the systems distinguishing friends from foes. Such systems are designed in order not to mistakenly lock on and shoot down your own fighters, so, F-35s of allied countries would not shoot down each other. that does not mean that they are degraded